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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #150 on: August 10, 2012, 11:04:46 PM »

Is the electric power steering in the new 3 as bad as they say? More to the point, is it as bad as the X3? (family has one) Now the X3 is a surprisingly capable thing, especially with the N55 engine, but the ride is flinty while at the same time allowing for lots of body roll, and the steering feel is totally absent. I get more roadfeel playing GT5. Disappointing, especially when the hydraulic rack on the old 335 offered so much feedback. If this is the new steering rack propagating its way through new BMWs then I can see why all reviewers have been complaining. On the other hand, the N55 is a quality engine with less turbo lag than the N54; it revs like a vtec engine and has the low-end torque of a diesel. Other than the slight power fall-off at the top end, it's pretty flawless. Also, the 8-speed ZF box is quality, and I don't even like slushboxes.

I want the S5 irrationally (the V8 one). No idea why.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #151 on: August 11, 2012, 04:47:39 AM »

Good question, if I get a chance to properly test the F30 I'll let you know. Reviews on the steering have definitely been mixed. I haven't driven the new X3, but I absolutely hated the last one. The steering was lousy, throttle programming was lousy, and the auto transmission was horrendous. In the initial years the suspension used concrete blocks instead of springs, and the final years were only slightly better. Pretty much everything you can get wrong on a car, BMW got wrong with the first X3. They were just lucky that the competition's cars were nearly as bad.

From what I've read, the Q5 is still the drivers car in the segment. It's too bad we won't get the SQ5, as that's currently in a class of one. They'd have to do a version for us with the S4's engine though. The big diesel is super cool (479ft.lbs!) but sales here would likely be microscopic. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #152 on: August 11, 2012, 05:17:13 AM »

Yeah we have the 2d gen X3. No issues with throttle response, the gearbox is telepathic, and interior quality is much better. Steering and ride problems remain, though ride is improved.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #153 on: August 11, 2012, 08:11:28 PM »

AFAIK the design was originally created by Lotus but they never built it.


This is a bit of Urban Legend according to an interview I read w/ the original designer.  Another source:
http://www.octane.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=51075


Yeah, people put Chevy 350s in everything....
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #154 on: August 14, 2012, 06:38:43 AM »

Another reason for skipping the Lexus IS:

http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr081412.html



Left: Lexus IS
Right: Volvo S60
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #155 on: August 14, 2012, 06:58:37 AM »

Bah. You should be fine. Jaws of life or field amputation will get you outta there no problem.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #156 on: August 14, 2012, 07:08:38 AM »

You want crash safety in a Jap car get a Subaru.  Designed to slam into trees and Moose for rally car.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #157 on: August 14, 2012, 04:48:29 PM »

This is an interesting test and I hope it pushes car makers to do better, hopefully while avoiding the negative consequences of things like the IIHS' new roof crush standards. If your car has A-pillars so wide you can't see around them, you can thank the IIHS for that.

The best crash is also the one that doesn't happen, which is why I'm glad I have good brakes, excellent steering, and one of the best AWD systems in the biz. My car won't go sideways just because of some big puddle.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #158 on: August 16, 2012, 04:23:05 AM »

started by me. not trolling at all. seriously confused... always have been.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5792586-Pony-cars-high-horsepower-but-high-weight...-what-s-the-draw
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #159 on: August 16, 2012, 05:43:55 AM »

started by me. not trolling at all. seriously confused... always have been.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5792586-Pony-cars-high-horsepower-but-high-weight...-what-s-the-draw
I think you got your answer.  Big, lazy, comfy, obnoxious, stupid American fun at stoplights.  Yeehaw! 


Now the origins of the real Pony car are more interesting.  Back in the early 60's there were lighter cars around 3000 lbs like the original Mustang.  It was basically a cool looking chick car/chick magnet that was cheap and became popular.  Not too big, not too heavy, just right for the time.  Being America, you couldn't walk out the door w/o tripping over a V8.  So 'Pony car' got started when they figured out you could drop a Big Ass V8 into a relatively small Mustang and get a quite nice power/weight ratio.  Though the term Pony car obviously derives from the Mustang, the practice spread to Camaros, Darts, etc.  The pinnacle of P/W for a normal off the floor car was the Dodge Dart in limited trim w/ acid washed windows that weighed 2400lbs and had a big honking Hemi in it.  The ultimate expression was the Shelby Cobra.  Could still be tbh.


The other cars aren't really true Pony cars but really Lead Sleds.  A heavy car w/ a big motor, that's what we have today.  Sure they don't like the term and you can do some nice suspension work to get them trackable but not true pony cars.  The spirit of the pony car was to find the smallest car and stick the biggest motor in it.  A tradition that was rekindled by import tuners.  They were not appreciated by the traditional pony car community because the cars were foreign/boosted/small displacement/aerodynamic/front-wheel, etc. 
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