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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1420 on: July 02, 2015, 09:52:10 AM »

You might as well get a VW Transporter or Ford Transit for dirty work and heavy things with an economical engine.

Even the older models can still be pretty good and serve you many years. My father use to run a Transporter for years that he used for trips throughout Europe, from the Netherlands to Eastern Europe. That van survived a lot.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1421 on: July 02, 2015, 10:33:26 PM »

Implementation IS key. That's why I caveated my post a bit. I've seen videos of FWD on snow and ice tires embarass some AWD setup on all seasons. The problem with AWD is it can give an ignorant and risky driver a false sense of confidence.

Honestly, I'd say many RWD cars with winter tires can embarass a lot of AWD cars with all seasons.

2015 Lexus IS350 F-Sport AWD
Looks
Holy fuck the front end is terrible. I like the back end, though. The tail lights are kinda cool.

Interior
I spent a solid 10 minutes just touching and playing everything. I want a car with this level of interior so fucking bad holy shit oh my god. The mouse thing to control the infotainment is weird. Greatest instrument cluster of all time. Driving position is surprisingly low and sports car like. Nice seats.

Drive
Surprisingly responsive and stiff in Sport+ mode. 6 speed auto is not that great. Paddle shifters have some delay. Doesn't let engine really play like it should. Car doesn't feel fast or have a lot of power in sixth gear. I wish they would put the 8 speed in the AWD model. Very quiet and smooth over Michigan's terrible roads. Handling was overall very, very good.

I can definitely see myself owning this car down the road when a good used one runs around $30-$35k, but I'd probably wait for either a forced-induction engine or the 8 speed to get put in the AWD model.

Here are my current rankings of various qualities of the cars I've driven.

Interiors
1. IS350
2. S4
(decent gap)
3. Mustang (more design than quality)
4. GTI
5. 135i
6. 335i
7. WRX

Driving Dynamics/Handling
1. WRX
2. 135i
3. IS350
4. S4
(decent gap)
5. 335i
6. GTI (dat FWD)
(huge gap)
7. Mustang

Road Noise/Refinement/Comfort
1. IS350
2. GTI
3. S4
4. Mustang
5. 335i
6. 135i
(huge gap)
7. WRX

Automatic Transmission
1. S4
2. 135i
3. GTI
4. WRX
(decent gap)
5. IS350
6. 335i
7. Mustang

Engine/Sense of Speed
1. S4
2. 135i
3. WRX
4. IS350
5. GTI
6. 335i (Weird, I know)
7. Mustang

My Perceived Value
1. WRX
2. S4
3. 135i
4. 335i
5. IS350
6. GTI
7. Mustang
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1422 on: July 04, 2015, 06:55:22 AM »

My Perceived Value
1. WRX
2. S4
3. 135i
4. 335i
5. IS350
6. GTI
7. Mustang

Huh. Weird. Never thought much of the S4, hugely overpriced imho. I owned a GTI and loved it too I switched to BMWs, and I drove everything else on your list except the WRX (I just think it would make me feel old - a young person's car, I mean). I agree the Mustang is no value proposition. But why the 135 over the 3 series?
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1423 on: July 04, 2015, 11:39:20 AM »

Huh. Weird. Never thought much of the S4, hugely overpriced imho. I owned a GTI and loved it too I switched to BMWs, and I drove everything else on your list except the WRX (I just think it would make me feel old - a young person's car, I mean). I agree the Mustang is no value proposition. But why the 135 over the 3 series?

Keep in mind the BMWs and S4 were used cars. The S4 I drove was $32k. The 335i was a little under $30k, while the 135i was a right around $30k. It's hard to find anything new or used that gives you as much performance and luxury as the S4 does. I just didn't want to deal with taking it in a few times a year and I felt the overall driving experience wasn't as enjoyable as the WRX.

In general, it looks like for the same money as a last gen 335i, you can get a slightly newer 135i with the M-sport package. The 135i also has a 7 speed dual clutch transmission that greatly improved the overall driving experience compared to the 6 speed in the 335i I drove. It was also an overall better handling and more fun to drive car.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1424 on: July 18, 2015, 02:15:03 AM »

So how many times have we talked about BMWs and their self locking fiascos?

"Just when you thought you've seen them all, this just happened in the city of Yiwu, China last Saturday, when a woman left her 3 year old son in her BMW, which then apparently locked itself."

That's not even the best part...

"...the woman refused to let firefighters break a window even as the kid was starting to feel worse because of the heat. Instead, she wanted to wait for a locksmith to arrive - according to eyewitness reports."

http://www.carscoops.com/2015/07/chinese-mother-refuses-to-let.html

BMWs should be banned from China. Bad combination.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/147277-chinese-woman-in-bmw-runs-over-child-threatens-onlookers/?photo=1

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/apr/08/china.jonathanwatts



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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1425 on: July 18, 2015, 02:24:22 AM »

@2nd link - Jesus...   :)p18
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1426 on: July 18, 2015, 04:19:56 AM »

Oh I added a third link I couldn't find earlier.

China=Animal Farm
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1427 on: July 18, 2015, 04:59:08 AM »

The Chinese justice system is weird. Some relatively minor things that would get you into a fair amount of trouble in the states are basically waived off. On the other hand things like banking fraud, which here is largely unpunishable beyond a fine, there can and will result in a death sentence - no matter how rich you are. The Chinese would throw somebody like Ethan Couch's "affluenza" defense right in the trash and promptly shoot him in the face.

Which is not to say that they don't have a two tier justice system. I would imagine that the rules are very different for "inner" party members.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1428 on: July 19, 2015, 11:45:28 PM »

BMWs should be banned from China. Bad combination.

Well, you know what they say in China, Anax: "Better to be crying in the front seat of a BMW than to be laughing on the back of a bicycle."

;-)

No really. They do say that. On my second or third trip to China there was even talk of censors banning/canceling a reality TV show because a woman quoted that saying on TV, and the communist party thought it might send the wrong signal... LOL
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1429 on: July 20, 2015, 12:22:18 AM »

So the Communist Party wants people to be happy with a Trabant?

Good for them...
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