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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1250 on: August 01, 2014, 03:32:53 AM »

1. Yes I'm aware prototypes have been running around California for years. See next point for why I posted it now.

2. I know it's been out as a concept since last year, but just recently (1 month ago) it was announced it was beyond the concept stage and nearing production ready. They still haven't actually named the model yet.

3. It's not a concept anymore, sorry. Deliveries start in Japan in Q2 2015.

4. Never said anything about their safety. Fuel cells are pretty safe by design.

5. The price is expected to be $70k as a production vehicle, reduced by $20k by Japanese government subsidies to $50k. (announced today)


http://insideevs.com/toyota-reveals-70000-fuel-cell-sedan-sales-japan-april-2015-shortly-after-in-europe-us/

http://insideevs.com/japanese-government-offer-20000-subsidy-fuel-cell-vehicle-purchases/

1-cool

2-It's been named "Mirai" for "Future".

3-The picture you linked is of the concept they showed last year.  Sorry.  You don't know what the production looks like.

4-Yup, I'm just glad to be here.

5-Actually $30K was the potential subsidy in Japan, not Us price.  So $40K.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/mirai-surfaces-as-potential-name-for-toyotas-fuel-cell-model.html
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1251 on: August 01, 2014, 04:25:08 AM »

Ah. I hadn't seen they decided on a name yesterday.

Nobody knows what it will look like, but I don't expect it to change all that much. The usual concept to production differences such as side mirrors and real headlights/tail lights. I think that goofy wedge hood will stay as well as the ridiculously huge side vents up front. Why does an essentially electric car need so much ventilation?

$30k is even more retarded. And still $40k for a Corolla that runs on hydrogen with no range benefits and an infrastructure that almost doesn't exist. Those 100 filling stations in Japan probably won't be finished before the car is released. I really don't see a similar subsidy in the US when it comes here. I'm having trouble figuring out why a government should foot the bill for nearly 50% of a car's price. Let the company take the risk and reap the reward or failure.

I don't know why electric vehicles still get $7500 after all the cost cutting measures have gotten them affordable. If you are lucky enough to live in Georgia you can get a brand new Leaf for something like $15k with stacked state and national subsidies. Factor in the difference in fuel cost/maintenance and it's actually cheaper to buy and operate the leaf than an econobox that is not as well equipped. Assuming ~12k miles a year you'd be making up about $1200 a year driving the Leaf. Without subsidies a $28k Leaf vs $15k econobox takes about 11 years to equalize. That's close enough to warrant dropping subsidies, IMO, since you are within reasonable expectation of the lifetime of the car. At that point, it's the company's job to get the information across to the buyers.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1252 on: August 01, 2014, 05:57:00 AM »

Politics and social engineering.  Don't let logic get in the way of your thinking.  Cuz u know, soccer moms in minivans are more deadly than diesel spewing Semis and hordes of flatulating cattle.  You have to market your brand to maintain power and control.

The US and Toyota will put a heavy subsidy on the FCV, just watch.  No different than what's already been going on except even BIGGER.  Apparently California has no money but can find $50,000,000,000 to put up a few dozen hydrogen stations.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1253 on: August 01, 2014, 06:20:37 AM »

One thing I've been wondering lately... where are the hybrid minivans? We have cars, CUVs, and SUVs, but no minivans. Seems like that would be an easy place to pick up sales on a vehicle class that is not exactly fuel efficient. Tops of the list is Honda Odyssey at 19/28. You'd think there is plenty of room, but perhaps people are too pre-occupied with seats that fold into the floor and built in vacuum cleaners to sacrifice that for battery storage.

Closest thing we have to a hybrid minivan would be the Prius V, I suppose.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1254 on: August 01, 2014, 06:25:00 AM »

One thing I've been wondering lately... where are the hybrid minivans? We have cars, CUVs, and SUVs, but no minivans. Seems like that would be an easy place to pick up sales on a vehicle class that is not exactly fuel efficient. Tops of the list is Honda Odyssey at 19/28. You'd think there is plenty of room, but perhaps people are too pre-occupied with seats that fold into the floor and built in vacuum cleaners to sacrifice that for battery storage.

Closest thing we have to a hybrid minivan would be the Prius V, I suppose.

Right.  It's buy a Prius type 5 door hatch or get an SUV.  Minivans are kind of dying/dead and have lower profit margins.  Soccer moms like it big and black nowadays.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1255 on: August 19, 2014, 03:06:44 AM »

Wow, just learned why Japanese horns try to sound so cute.  They actually use their horns to signal someone to cut in front of them!

This is crayzee! http://www.carscoops.com/2014/08/watch-what-japanese-drivers-do-when-you.html

Man, if you flash your high-beams at someone here in SoCal, it means you want to be shot in the face.  Hazards flashing means you just pwn'd their sorry ass.  Viva La difference! :)p1
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1256 on: August 26, 2014, 02:13:14 PM »

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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1257 on: September 05, 2014, 04:24:40 AM »

Anyone else find the new Miata kind of fugly?  Looks like a Suzuki cappuccino got raped by an S2000.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1258 on: September 05, 2014, 05:00:57 AM »

Hard to say. Could be bad angles. Less donut / flying saucer like than current one. But Mazda shark face with elements of BMW, Nissan, Honda. It's almost like Mazda hired Hyundai.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1259 on: September 05, 2014, 06:17:08 AM »

I kinda like it. From the front the eyes look a little too slanty ;)
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