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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1090 on: September 21, 2013, 05:52:06 PM »

AWD is great, love it, so no problem w/it conceptually.  The Legacy is even biased 45/55 front to rear.  It was simply a matter weight and mass.  My first daily driver was 2450lbs and I just missed the everyday joy of not caring around an extra 1000lbs. 

Btw, picked up some laser fit Weathertech mats.  They fit perfectly and look better than OE.  Highly recommended unless you really prefer carpet.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1091 on: September 21, 2013, 06:11:48 PM »

Yep, Quattro FTW.

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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1092 on: September 21, 2013, 07:54:41 PM »

AWD is great, love it, so no problem w/it conceptually.  The Legacy is even biased 45/55 front to rear.  It was simply a matter weight and mass.  My first daily driver was 2450lbs and I just missed the everyday joy of not caring around an extra 1000lbs. 

Btw, picked up some laser fit Weathertech mats.  They fit perfectly and look better than OE.  Highly recommended unless you really prefer carpet.

I'd love to get the chance to drive a nicely balanced rear drive car sometime. Never have had the pleasure yet!

Did you get the 'Digital Fit' Weathertechs? They look awesome.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1093 on: September 22, 2013, 03:38:01 AM »

AWD is cool in several ways. I like it for getting around in the snow. If you haven't driven in the snow, you're missing out on an entirely unique set of driving conditions that are both annoying and remarkably awesome. When it starts to storm outside I just want to jump in the car and drive. My wife doesn't get it.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1094 on: September 30, 2013, 12:33:38 AM »

Yeah, here in the midwest we get several pretty healthy snowfalls each winter. Last February we had an afternoon where we got about a foot, and everyone in the entire metro area decided to try and bug out of work early (like me too), and it was pandemonium on the roads. People getting stuck everywhere, roads blocked with disabled cars (it's amazing what happens when you neglect your tires). With my R32 I was able to get moving so easily anytime. Getting closer to home where it wasn't so clogged up, I made a left at a traffic light, and got on the gas a little hanging a nice slooooowww tail out drift at about 10 mph, then straightened it up and went on along. I was grinning from ear to ear, and a guy in another car waiting to go was laughing as I went by. It was all so totally controllable.

If I lived on the west coast (or somewhere with no winter to speak of), I'd totally have a RWD car though.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1095 on: October 08, 2013, 05:51:46 AM »

Out of curiosity, has anyone driven a RWD BMW x1?

My lease on my 2011 Jetta diesel wagon runs out in December, and I was planning to just buy it.  However, Commonwealth wants it, badly, as inventory for their CPO program, and they've offered me a nice deal on a 2014.  At the same time, BMW is being very aggressive on lease deals for the x1 (as little as $319/mo for 36 months with $3500 due at signing).  I'm going to go drive the x1 this weekend, but I figured I'd ask around and see if anyone can provide impressions.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1096 on: October 08, 2013, 08:02:21 PM »

Out of curiosity, has anyone driven a RWD BMW x1?

My lease on my 2011 Jetta diesel wagon runs out in December, and I was planning to just buy it.  However, Commonwealth wants it, badly, as inventory for their CPO program, and they've offered me a nice deal on a 2014.  At the same time, BMW is being very aggressive on lease deals for the x1 (as little as $319/mo for 36 months with $3500 due at signing).  I'm going to go drive the x1 this weekend, but I figured I'd ask around and see if anyone can provide impressions.

On your BMW drive pay very close attention to the AT programming and throttle programming. The last few years BMW seemingly completely forgot how to program those things, especially the throttle. Nothing would happen at all for about the first 15-20% of pedal travel, and then you'd get more than you wanted in the first place. Supposedly the latest cars are better.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1097 on: October 09, 2013, 03:26:07 AM »

They drive better when they're paid for up front.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1098 on: October 09, 2013, 05:54:29 AM »

Typical CAFE throttle tuning for the past 10 years.  BMW pushed back hard against it but it seems it was inevitable, especially SUVs.  Helps to explain why BMW's MPG numbers are slightly elevated but not as bad as Kia and Ford lying their asses off.  For the most part, Toyota tries to underrate their MPG figures. 
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Was at the car show this past weekend btw.  Couple of observations/impressions.

Typical VW interior quality is completely overhyped.  The new Cadillac ATS/CTS interiors were even better than VW.  Point GM.

No possible way to Left foot brake a VW or Porsche PDK unless you're a double jointed contortionist.  Driver's wanted?  BS.  I can forgive VW, but Porsche?  WTMF?!

Porsche paddle shifters also feel like utter shit.  Too much free play and lack of positive feel and response.  On par w/ Logitech.  Cadillac and my FRS are loads better w/ the paddles.  Lame.  I keep trying to find angles to justify adding one to my stable but Porsche keeps arguing against it w/ a new argument everytime.

CLA was okay, I doubt anyone will actually get one for the claimed $29.9K.  I spec'd the CLA I would have gotten w/ the configurator at it was $57K.  It was AMG but still.  Average price on these will be around $40K I bet.

As a fan of the F-Type concept coupe, I was disappointed in the F-type production car.  Personally, I like the ergonomics but the materials and switch gear were extremely dated and cheap.  The car attacked me on my way out by bashing my right knee w/ the lower dash panels.  Not good.  I haven't been hurt getting out of a car since the BMW Alpina 4 coupe, whatever that monstrosity was.  Damn thing smashed my head and strained my neck exiting out of the back seats.

New Land Rover Range Rover Sport was slightly better than the F-type in materials.  That thing is just amazing in capability.  If only it was reliable...

While I like the driver cockpit of the new Lexus IS, it is clear the lack of Teutonic refinement in small details.  Absence of power adjustable steering position.  Grungier seat motors that grind rather than adjust smoothly.  Few things like that you notice w/ the non BMW luxury kraut vehicles that are advantage Germany.

Infiniti Q50 interior cluster is straight Lexus CT200H rip off.  Switches and knobs are also copies from a 10 year old Lexus.  Sadly this is improvement for Infiniti.    They are definitely sharing the same Lexus OE now for some interior bits.  It's okay, Hyundai did the same thing two years ago.  Oh btw, you can't adjust both sides of the climate control independently!!  Each side has to wait for the other.  So much for 'dual' zone 'control'.

Audi S4, much nicer interior now on the lower end models.  Can left foot brake thankfully.  WTF is up w/ the $55K price? 

New Corvette interior is much nicer.  Hidden storage behind the screen.  Cup hold and some bits still, ahem, GM quality.  Didn't get to see how the gauge screen integrates w/ the analog cluster.  Photos looked bad online.  I could be comfortable driving this car and enjoy the cockpit unlike the last Vette and Viper which were pure Hasbro from 30 years ago.  Looks good from out side.  Front end doesn't look as bad as pics but still requires some blind love.  Is there a mechanical interior door switch on these things or do I just burn to death inside if I loose power during a fire?

Ford Raptor in new Terrain color is badass.  Thing grows on me the more time i spend around it.  New Silverado has more comfy seats in the rear but still prefer the Ford overall.  Raptor really makes me want to beat up that truck in every way possibl e inside and out.  Can't wait to see what the Titan version will bring to the table.

WTF is up w/ the Kiddie toy joystick on the Nissan Leaf?  Is it an air hockey paddle for 3 year olds?  And why are the seat heater switches integrated into the outside part of the side bolsters?  I assume you are supposed to ask the other person to hit the switch for you.

For future reference Nissan dealers, don't bring a GTR and put a 'Do Not Touch' sign on the car.  Dur...

I also wonder about how soft the 370Z chassis is.  The immense size of the rear strut brace hogging up the trunk really makes you go 'Hmmm...'.  Corvette and GT86 seem more self-confident structurally.


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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1099 on: October 09, 2013, 04:46:05 PM »

Was at the car show this past weekend btw.  Couple of observations/impressions.

Typical VW interior quality is completely overhyped.  The new Cadillac ATS/CTS interiors were even better than VW.  Point GM.

Porsche paddle shifters also feel like utter shit.  Too much free play and lack of positive feel and response.  On par w/ Logitech.  Cadillac and my FRS are loads better w/ the paddles.  Lame.  I keep trying to find angles to justify adding one to my stable but Porsche keeps arguing against it w/ a new argument everytime.

As a fan of the F-Type concept coupe, I was disappointed in the F-type production car.  Personally, I like the ergonomics but the materials and switch gear were extremely dated and cheap.  The car attacked me on my way out by bashing my right knee w/ the lower dash panels.  Not good.  I haven't been hurt getting out of a car since the BMW Alpina 4 coupe, whatever that monstrosity was.  Damn thing smashed my head and strained my neck exiting out of the back seats.

Infiniti Q50 interior cluster is straight Lexus CT200H rip off.  Switches and knobs are also copies from a 10 year old Lexus.  Sadly this is improvement for Infiniti.    They are definitely sharing the same Lexus OE now for some interior bits.  It's okay, Hyundai did the same thing two years ago.  Oh btw, you can't adjust both sides of the climate control independently!!  Each side has to wait for the other.  So much for 'dual' zone 'control'.

Audi S4, much nicer interior now on the lower end models.  Can left foot brake thankfully.  WTF is up w/ the $55K price? 

I also wonder about how soft the 370Z chassis is.  The immense size of the rear strut brace hogging up the trunk really makes you go 'Hmmm...'.  Corvette and GT86 seem more self-confident structurally.

The bad throttle programming does seem to be a BMW problem specifically though, not (or much less of an) issue of all manufactures trying to squeeze better numbers out of the EPA FE tests. Bad AT programming is a much more industry wide issue, they pretty much all race for top gear ASAP and are very reluctant to down shift out of it. What really separates manufacturers now is less what "D" is like (it's almost always bad) and more what "S" is like.

In VW's bid to try to complete more directly with Toyonda on price, the high grade interiors had to go. They still look like nice understated VW shapes, but as soon as you actually touch anything, the illusion is over. GM has definitely been doing nice work with their interiors lately. If it weren't for Cadillac's obsession with capacitive touch everything and their shitty CUE system, I would seriously look at a new CTS which is something I never would've said before. It's a great looking car, but the center stack is a disaster.

I always get the feeling that Porsches are much better to drive than to own. The IMS/RMS issue that plagued their first gen watercooled engines for years left a really sour taste in my mouth, and I know for a fact that if your Porsche is more than about 4 years old, Porsche USA could give less of a shit whether you live or die. It's not what they can do for you, it's what you can do for them - buy a new Porsche.

If you think the paddles are bad, try using those awful shift buttons that were the only option until a couple of year ago. Porsche is very resistant to change, and the PDK as a transmission is worse than Audi's S-Tronic.
Bad materials and switchgear have been a Jag problem since the Ford takeover in the early '90s. Just the difference in leather quality from the '96 XJ-S to the '97 XK8 is night and day. The leather in the XK8 feels like plastic, and the rest of the buttons and switches in that car were too cheap for GM to use in a Buick.

Infiniti still has a lot of work to do. The Q50 is definitely a start, but I don't like how much of it resembles the FX (which is called QX something now). Infiniti interiors are way better than Acura's, but that just isn't good enough. They need to focus less on gimmicks like the silver flake in the wood and a lot more on cohesive design. The E-class is like a high-end business suit. The M (Q whatever) is like a clown suit in comparison. People in that category want business suits, that's why the E and 5 dominate everything else in sales.

The S4 is the only variant of the current gen A4 that I could drive, due to the fact that it has real seats instead of park benches. I'm still not in love with the rest of the B8 gen design though, that center stack is flimsy as hell, and it's aging rapidly. A4s are generally scaled down A6s in terms of design, and the B8 has always suffered from being a shrunken C6 which wasn't Audi's best work. I have plenty of issues with the C7 but it is a big improvement overall from before, so if Audi can shrink that down and bring some of the quality back the next B9 gen A4 should be a much nicer car.

As for pricing, the S4 isn't that much higher than a top spec 335i, but getting rid of the A4 3.2 put Audi in a bit of a box, pricing wise. S cars were previously always a notch above the top normal 3 series. Back in the old days when BMW sent over a power restricted M3, the S4 competed directly with it (at least here, over there it was full bore M3 vs. RS4). With the V6 A4 gone, the S4 now has to compete directly with 335i, yet still be an S model, which means it ends up costing more. You ultimately get more though, with the torque vectoring rear diff it will run circles around any xDrive 3 series, and with a simple ECU reflash it will run nose to nose with the current RS4 all the way through a 1/4 mile drag race, making it kind of a bargain depending on how you look at it. The S5 starts at $52K, while the RS5 starts at $70K. For about a thousand bucks and 30 minutes of your time, your S5 can catch the RS5. Same deal with the S6, with an ECU reflash an E63 AMG won't know what hit it.

I still prefer the Alpina B3 to anything else. That is what the 335i Sport should be.
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