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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #970 on: July 24, 2013, 09:44:42 PM »
Quote from: planx on July 24, 2013, 08:11:50 PM
Awesome! Makes me want an 86 baddddd now.

Being a huge Subaru fan, I've always worried about the "Subaru-ness" of the 86. Stock, it sounds pretty far off from a typical Subaru boxer. It sounds more like an inline engine than a boxer which worries me a little. I've heard that UEL headers can solve this, but until I hear it for myself, I'll remain a little skeptical.

Here you go, 13 consecutive vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBg-JuBIm8&list=PL83h1c0-9HAzOB5gn6Gpzf25yF0Xz5XuV&index=2

pdf link to data: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=617083&postcount=99

Lol, just now noticed the MR-S to the left side of the FRS.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #971 on: July 24, 2013, 09:55:09 PM »
Most of them were "meh" for me. They weren't bad (i liked the ASR muffler delete one the best), but I guess it's difficult to produce that iconic boxer rumble with the FR-S.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #972 on: July 24, 2013, 10:14:37 PM »
Quote from: planx on July 24, 2013, 09:55:09 PM
Most of them were "meh" for me. They weren't bad (i liked the ASR muffler delete one the best), but I guess it's difficult to produce that iconic boxer rumble with the FR-S.

Those are just the exhaust, maybe you'll like this a little better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YcsenTDz10

I'm more partial to the Perrin and TRD exhaust notes myself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlVLNNmQ-Xc


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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #973 on: July 24, 2013, 10:44:40 PM »
Whoa I am genuinely surprised by the TRD offering! Finally, an exhaust that looks good. Just wonder how much more it would be than other aftermarket systems seeing how it's Toyota and probably will overprice it.

The UEL borla headers seems like they do a good job, wow. Definitely an improvement over stock.

I wonder how the headers and TRD will sound together... Hmmmmmm
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #974 on: July 25, 2013, 12:30:44 AM »
You can get the TRD for under $999 online which is $100 more than Perrin and a shit ton less than HKS at $1500.  My only concern is that none of the ones I prefer for FI are at 67mm but closer to 61mm.  I'll need to crunch some numbers and figure out if I can be happy pushing only 220whp rather than going for 250+ which will definitely need more breathing.  If I had reliable ethanol locally and at my destination points this would be an easier call to make.  I'd loose the 34mpg highway though.  Some even getting up to 41mpg on the AT.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #975 on: July 25, 2013, 01:55:49 AM »
Surprised once again. Since I don't own a BRZ (yet), I think from just looking at simple dyno charts and statistics overall more torque would be a much more welcome sign than added HP. http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/files/pictures_photos/2012/04/scion-frs-dyno.jpg

Speaking of that dyno, what's up with the drop-off in torque around 4k? I think this engine would be terrific if it could flatten out that dip and raise the torque to about 170~ lb/ft ideally. Using my '00 LGT as reference, if the BRZ had that kind of torque, it would be quite the DD, considering how much lighter the BRZ is than a 4-door Leggy.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #976 on: July 25, 2013, 02:19:29 AM »
Yeah, the FA20 torque dip around 3.5-4.5k.  Combination of CAFE and using D4S to get 100hp/liter.  Actually, based on some of the bolt ons, the stock intake and exhaust seem to possibly be nerfed as well to encourage upgrades and future higher performance models.  FI fixes it, specifically two of the supercharger solutions I'm looking at.  They dump anywhere from 65-80 lb/ft right into that trough and add 30-45lb/ft across the whole range.  Simple bolts ons w/ CARB cert coming on one of them for sure.  Basically gets the FA20 up to feeling like a 3 Liter engine which is just spot on where it should be.

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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #977 on: July 25, 2013, 02:30:54 AM »
Have you seen the TRD Griffon?  2300lbs, all chassis, aero and suspension work, stock motor untouched.  Blistering around Tsukuba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5Jm9zxBDV8



People are tracking the stock FRS at 2550lbs right now.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #978 on: July 25, 2013, 04:05:43 AM »
Holy shit that engine is fucking stock minus the headers and exhaust system. I know you've said that already but that's hard to believe seeing how quickly it went around the track. Of course this is all due to extreme weight shedding and suspension+aero work like you said, but wow.

Carbon absolutely everywhere.

I'm curious about the 2-way diff. Is it that much of an improvement over the standard Torsen?

I saw the turbo'ed BRZ on Drive/Tuned and Matt seemed to really enjoy the thing. I also remember an episode where a tuning garage from where I'm from let Matt drive their Turbo-ed FRS but constantly overheated. Nevertheless, seems like everyone is in a race to effectively tune the 86 to high levels without compromising reliability.

If I were to get a BRZ, I don't think I want to go FI because this will be my DD and weekend warrior lol. No risks taken.

Speaking of which, I believe the GT300 BRZ has the 2.0L turbo from a WRX. I'm mostly intrigued by that, but because of a different block, it's hard to pinpoint how they managed to stuff that engine in there.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #979 on: July 26, 2013, 04:43:02 AM »
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