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Maxvla

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #730 on: April 10, 2013, 09:13:04 AM »

The new MKVII Golf is looking great, but will be delayed til 2015 model year. Good news is we'll probably get the GTD finally, and according to the UK site, it's priced about the same as the GTI which is interesting, since the GTI here is cheaper than the TDI and the GTD is better than the TDI. Unfortunately the GTD will arrive here even later than the MKVII Golf, about 6 months later making it FOREVER until it finally arrives. So.. really not an option, unless I lease something for a couple years then buy the GTD if possible, or keep my current car that long. A lot of this will be decided when the Mazda 6 diesel pricing is announced, I think.

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #731 on: April 11, 2013, 05:42:24 AM »

The new MKVII Golf is looking great, but will be delayed til 2015 model year. Good news is we'll probably get the GTD finally, and according to the UK site, it's priced about the same as the GTI which is interesting, since the GTI here is cheaper than the TDI and the GTD is better than the TDI. Unfortunately the GTD will arrive here even later than the MKVII Golf, about 6 months later making it FOREVER until it finally arrives. So.. really not an option, unless I lease something for a couple years then buy the GTD if possible, or keep my current car that long. A lot of this will be decided when the Mazda 6 diesel pricing is announced, I think.



Love the idea of a performance diesel finally coming to N.America, but from reading reviews of the GTD, the car was very nose heavy due to the engine. I cannot back up this claim because I haven't even drove the car yet, but I am a bit worried about the handling characteristics of the car. I love diesels (always wanted the Tacoma/Hilux Diesel here..) and the idea of a performance diesel excites me!
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #732 on: April 11, 2013, 08:48:06 PM »

Lol, 70+ GTRs showed up to Cars and Coffee in Irvine.  If only most of those posers ever drove them regularly.  I've seen 3-4 GTRs at the track and never once did an owner actually put it on the track despite the prolific Loti, Porsches, Ferraris, Corvettes.  I've seen more Lexus on (not at) the track than GTRs.


http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/socal-nissan-gt-rs-captivate-cars-and-coffee.html
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #733 on: April 11, 2013, 08:59:30 PM »

Just to prove my point about Li-Ion batteries being 'Fools Gold'.  Note especially the last few paragraphs.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/lithium-ion-batteries-a-sinking-stepping-stone.html
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #734 on: April 15, 2013, 07:06:43 AM »

So..

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PLEASE, Do NOT purchase ANY Mazda Diesel Engine car 'if' you only do short distance driving of less than 20 minutes...
Mazda's revolutionary Skyactiv Diesel Engines use a self cleaning or renewal DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) which burns off diesel particulates rather than storing in a replaceable DP Filter or urea add like many other makes.

The Mazda DPF system requires a hot engine (@ full operating temperature) and is also clean cycle controlled by cars ECU or PCM.

Fuel Wash can also occur and give a high Oil Level readings as engines are not getting hot enough (with less than 20 minutes driving or use) and can in some cases add unburnt Diesel Fuel with Engines Oil resulting in a higher Oil Level on Dip Stick and Dash Warning Light or CEL.

ALL Mazda Skyactiv Diesel Engine are what is called a CLEAN DIESEL ENGINE.

IF you drive less than 20 minutes from turnkey each time, then re-think a purchase of a Diesel Engine Mazda, go for their brilliant Skyactiv Gasoline (Petrol) Engines, which are equally high tech and revolutionary.
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NO DIESEL ENGINE should EVER be used for short distance driving.

Do not purchase a Mazda Diesel car IF you do less than a 15 minute trip.
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A Diesel (or Rotary) are not, repeat not for short distance driving.

I'm guessing that is true of all diesels, even those that use after treatments?

My daily drives are 5-10 minutes...

Guess I'm back to square one.  :( Saves me from wanting a last gen RX-7 as well...

If only they offered this in states other than California.



87 mile EV range for really cheap and free 2 weeks of rental car every year for 3 years for longer trips. So nice...

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After doing more research, it's not ideal for gas cars to do short trips either, but they do better than diesel/rotary. I guess it's go gas and hope the short range driving doesn't do any real damage. I'd say hybrid is the only answer, but that still involves a gas motor, perhaps that is what I'm down to though since I can't afford an EV. The only one close is a Leaf and I'd have to do some creative work to get the bank to cover the incentive until tax return (if it works how I hope, still need to look into that). The lease pricing isn't too bad on them atm, $2k down and $200 a month, but I'm not really a leaser. $9200 for 3 years of gas free driving and rent a car for long trips, only 3 per year atm. Spending near $1000 a year on gas, about $150-200 of that would be put into rental cars so really only saving ~$800 a year. $6800 for 3 years after gas reduction, also should be completely maintenance free so no oil changes 2-3 times a year and none of the fluid services I still need to do on my current car totaling around $600. Hmm..

I'd say fuck it and keep my car for longer trips and get a bicycle for work commuting (only 2.6 miles away), but there is no biking culture he re in OK. People have no clue how to drive around them and I would really be risking my life. I'd be crossing an expressway that is pretty wide.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #735 on: April 15, 2013, 09:11:24 AM »

Where are those diesel quotes coming from? 

With electrically controlled fuel injection systems on most small diesels these days the sorts of issues these are pointing to are a thing of the past.  A weekly "long run" will take care of any DPF needs.

I can't say I am familiar with Mazda Diesel engines, but if those restrictions are valid, they are producing an engine that is a decade behind diesel technology.

One of the cool parts of living in Europe is seeing most vehicles with a diesel option. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #736 on: April 15, 2013, 09:21:52 AM »

From a Mazda diesel tech. Actually their designs are ahead of the pack, the problem, as I can figure, is that since they have no after treatment (and still meet strict emissions), the engine has to get up to temperature to clean itself, which is no problem for most people since it's rare to live close to your work these days. The after treatment cars are probably less sensitive to short driving, but are heavier and more expensive, and more complicated because of it.

I do wonder if a weekly long run would be enough. The movie theater I like to go to is about 30 minutes away, would be a great excuse to keep the car in top shape. I will register on the board I saw those quotes and ask.

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Like all those Leaf owners that sold their cars back to Nissan?

Can you expand on this, Mike? Thanks.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #737 on: April 15, 2013, 01:17:07 PM »

I just read their marketing bullsh_t.  They are chasing low NOx emissions by using low compression.  Not what I would choose in a diesel.  Their whole pitch about injection timing and complete combustion in a high compression engine is complete BS.

Unfortunately most of the future legislation and emissions targets are leading to manufacturers selecting compromises like this for diesel technology.

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #738 on: April 15, 2013, 06:41:35 PM »

So..

After doing more research, it's not ideal for gas cars to do short trips either, but they do better than diesel/rotary. I guess it's go gas and hope the short range driving doesn't do any real damage. I'd say hybrid is the only answer, but that still involves a gas motor, perhaps that is what I'm down to though since I can't afford an EV. The only one close is a Leaf and I'd have to do some creative work to get the bank to cover the incentive until tax return (if it works how I hope, still need to look into that). The lease pricing isn't too bad on them atm, $2k down and $200 a month, but I'm not really a leaser. $9200 for 3 years of gas free driving and rent a car for long trips, only 3 per year atm. Spending near $1000 a year on gas, about $150-200 of that would be put into rental cars so really only saving ~$800 a year. $6800 for 3 years after gas reduction, also should be completely maintenance free so no oil changes 2-3 times a year and none of the fluid services I still need to do on my current car totaling around $600. Hmm..

I'd say fuck it and keep my car for longer trips and get a bicycle for work commuting (only 2.6 miles away), but there is no biking culture here in OK. People have no clue how to drive around them and I would really be risking my life. I'd be crossing an expressway that is pretty wide.

Diesel engines take much longer to warm up than gasoline engines. With a gas engine the coolant temp should hit the nominal level after about 5 minutes or so, you don't need much more than that. A Fusion Hybrid should be able to manage a good 40mpg, more than the Volt can manage once the battery is depleted.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #739 on: April 15, 2013, 06:45:11 PM »

Good to know. Still would prefer a smaller car, but expanded to mid size with discovery of the diesel Mazda.
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