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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #660 on: March 09, 2013, 10:08:54 AM »

So people can't just buy the car they want based on performance and need?  If a 911 was badged 'Daihatsu' that would be the nail in the coffin?  I tend to think of people that fester on this stuff to not be serious buyers anyway, and that a car company shouldn't give a shit about such nonsense.  Like the, "I would have bought the GTR if it was an Infinity and not a Nissan."  Yeah right.... ::)


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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #661 on: March 09, 2013, 02:36:20 PM »

So people can't just buy the car they want based on performance and need?  If a 911 was badged 'Daihatsu' that would be the nail in the coffin?  I tend to think of people that fester on this stuff to not be serious buyers anyway, and that a car company shouldn't give a shit about such nonsense.  Like the, "I would have bought the GTR if it was an Infinity and not a Nissan."  Yeah right.... ::)

They would lose some sales, everyone thinks differently. Many Porsche sales do go to people buying into the brand.

Acura/Honda or Lexus/Toyota for a performance car would not matter to me. All four are high quality names. Scion on the other hand equals shit to me. Just like hifi stuff there is pride of ownership for what you have.

If you never plan to resell a car, resale value means nothing. I've never kept every car I've owned. I'll also concede that the resale value issue may not apply to the FR-S since it's actually a good car and past Scions weren't.

I do like to buy a car that treats me like a mature adult and not a teen.

If I were in the market for FR-S/BRZ I absolutely would put my name down on the BRZ list and wait a year instead of buying an FR-S off the floor. NOT a Subaru fanboy. If it were a Toyota I'd buy the Toyota. The car itself is fantastic and a BRZ is something I probably would have bought if it were available a few years ago.

This is all my opinion which I'm allowed to have  :-*
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #662 on: March 09, 2013, 06:55:26 PM »

U forget the supply is less than demand.  So they would not get more sales.  They are running max capacity+.  That's why they get to play their little resurrect Scion game.


I'm allowed to believe in math and economics.   :-* :-* ;)   I'm just explaining why they don't care about such an opinion wrt the GT86.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #663 on: March 09, 2013, 07:12:07 PM »

Loss of sales was referring to the Daihatsu 911 comparison. I searched two Toyota/Scion dealers in my state, both have FR-S on the floor ready to buy. One only has auto other has both. At least in my area it's not like the introductory pricing/release of the GT-R where they couldn't be had anywhere in New England for a long time.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #664 on: March 09, 2013, 07:34:13 PM »

So people can't just buy the car they want based on performance and need?  If a 911 was badged 'Daihatsu' that would be the nail in the coffin?  I tend to think of people that fester on this stuff to not be serious buyers anyway, and that a car company shouldn't give a shit about such nonsense.  Like the, "I would have bought the GTR if it was an Infinity and not a Nissan."  Yeah right.... ::)

So you're saying people would buy $90K Hyundai Cayenne Turbos? I don't think so. This isn't Europe, where people debadge their cars to make them less ostentatious. This is America, where people put fake AMG badges on their E320s. People don't stretch themselves into C250 leases they can barely afford because it's always been their dream to have a small, slow car with MB-Tex seats. They want the badge.

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #665 on: March 09, 2013, 10:11:10 PM »

Skeeon is one of my least favorite car companies. Its always struck me as nothing but BS brainchilded by a marketing team and run by a marketing team like everything else these days. Its nothing but an exercise in branding. They wanted to appeal to a new demographic they thought was lacking in their sales numbers so they create a new brand with a bunch of fluff.  All you have to do to create meaning these days is advertising and a new shiny exterior.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #666 on: March 09, 2013, 11:03:28 PM »

Skeeon is one of my least favorite car companies. Its always struck me as nothing but BS brainchilded by a marketing team and run by a marketing team like everything else these days. Its nothing but an exercise in branding. They wanted to appeal to a new demographic they thought was lacking in their sales numbers so they create a new brand with a bunch of fluff.  All you have to do to create meaning these days is advertising and a new shiny exterior.

It actually sort of worked in the beginning with the original xB. They took a quirky little JDM car and brought it over, and people dug it. Then they did the thing that ruins all car companies - they focus grouped it. "I want more legroom. I want more headroom. I want a bigger engine. I want more power" etc etc etc. They tried to do all of that by stuffing a Camry engine in a massively overweight refrigerator of a car and people hated it.

You don't ask people what they want, you tell them what they want.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #667 on: March 09, 2013, 11:38:29 PM »

Yeah good cars dont come from marketing teams or from trying to please everyone. They come from a vision.  Thats rare though and even when it exists its soon taken over by people who just want to make money but have no vision then come the marketing teams to pray.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #668 on: March 10, 2013, 06:02:39 AM »


So you're saying people would buy $90K Hyundai Cayenne Turbos? I don't think so. This isn't Europe, where people debadge their cars to make them less ostentatious. This is America, where people put fake AMG badges on their E320s. People don't stretch themselves into C250 leases they can barely afford because it's always been their dream to have a small, slow car with MB-Tex seats. They want the badge.

Oh really?  Don't get out of your state much? 

I was talking about the FRS/GT86.  I don't know what you are talking about by shifting the argument to fast and furious ricers.  Then by your logic they can badge a Scion w/ a freaking Toyota logo and be happy as a clam can't they?  Thanks for reinforcing my point.
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So what you're saying omega is that those cars are sitting there because they are Scions, but would be sold already if they were Toyotas?  Things like snow on the ground wouldn't have anything to do with impacting sales of a lightweight RWD sports coupe in New England during winter?

Premium buyers are affected by irrelevant BS like badges because they are fickle and can afford to be stupid and superficial.  Toyota/Scion/Subaru buyers don't fall into that category which is why they could give a shit.  There will be a special GT86 version w/ leather, power and a Lexus badge for double to triple the price of the FRS.  People with more money than brains can rejoice and empty their wallets there.

And yes, people would buy a 911 w/ a Daihatsu badge if it was the same car and there was no Porsche 911 to compete with.  In fact, I guarantee a Daihatsu 911 would win car of the year awards up the wazoo.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #669 on: March 10, 2013, 03:01:59 PM »


So you're saying people would buy $90K Hyundai Cayenne Turbos? I don't think so. This isn't Europe, where people debadge their cars to make them less ostentatious. This is America, where people put fake AMG badges on their E320s. People don't stretch themselves into C250 leases they can barely afford because it's always been their dream to have a small, slow car with MB-Tex seats. They want the badge.

Oh really?  Don't get out of your state much? 

I was talking about the FRS/GT86.  I don't know what you are talking about by shifting the argument to fast and furious ricers.  Then by your logic they can badge a Scion w/ a freaking Toyota logo and be happy as a clam can't they?  Thanks for reinforcing my point.
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So what you're saying omega is that those cars are sitting there because they are Scions, but would be sold already if they were Toyotas?  Things like snow on the ground wouldn't have anything to do with impacting sales of a lightweight RWD sports coupe in New England during winter?

Premium buyers are affected by irrelevant BS like badges because they are fickle and can afford to be stupid and superficial.  Toyota/Scion/Subaru buyers don't fall into that category which is why they could give a shit.  There will be a special GT86 version w/ leather, power and a Lexus badge for double to triple the price of the FRS.  People with more money than brains can rejoice and empty their wallets there.

And yes, people would buy a 911 w/ a Daihatsu badge if it was the same car and there was no Porsche 911 to compete with.  In fact, I guarantee a Daihatsu 911 would win car of the year awards up the wazoo.

I didn't say they're sitting there just because they are Scions. Just saying they can easily be bought if someone in my area wanted; there is no wait. I have not looked into the Subaru situation, but I'll do that this afternoon.

IF Porsche didn't have 50 year history of building 911s and the Daihatsu 911 was either a) a new model or b) always made the 911 sure they would be selling fine. If tomorrow all 911s became Daihatsus and they were still charging $90k+ for them their sales would hurt even if they won car of the year at multiple pubs. If they halted down production and created a shortage then you could say they'd be selling out and demand was high. Or if they lowered the price enough that more performance oriented buyers felt they were getting a good value.
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