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Author Topic: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)  (Read 158892 times)

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #600 on: February 12, 2013, 06:05:59 AM »

I wonder how Subaru feels about that. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #601 on: February 12, 2013, 06:13:50 AM »

Who cares.  The GT86 platform is Toyota's brainchild and likely their property.  Subie doesn't compete w/ BMW's market, they have nothing to lose.  They'll get some trickle down as BMW collaborates w/ the next Supra and other projects.  The Subie/Toyota/BMW partnership is not such a bad idea.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #603 on: February 14, 2013, 07:36:54 PM »

It's world news. I even found a mention in a Dutch newspaper.  :)p13
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #604 on: February 15, 2013, 07:33:43 PM »

Over 60 GRAND for a FWD V6 Acura that looks like an old Hyundai??? Wow, what a FAIL. Looks like this is RL bomb number 3.

http://www.edmunds.com/acura/rlx/2014/road-test.html
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #605 on: February 15, 2013, 08:46:02 PM »

Standard Acura fare.

Wake me up when the NSX fixes it's rear end or they make that hybrid MR2 clone.  Honda is all about robots and airplanes these days.  Heart's not into cars atm.

I am however, enjoying journalists and the NY Times being called out for the liars they are:
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/tesla-publishes-vehicle-logs-in-disputed-test-drive-calls-for-probe.html
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #606 on: February 15, 2013, 09:38:40 PM »

Standard Acura fare.

Wake me up when the NSX fixes it's rear end or they make that hybrid MR2 clone.  Honda is all about robots and airplanes these days.  Heart's not into cars atm.

I am however, enjoying journalists and the NY Times being called out for the liars they are:
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/tesla-publishes-vehicle-logs-in-disputed-test-drive-calls-for-probe.html

They just show an amazing ability to learn absolutely nothing from their failures. The quote from the Honda engineer was "We learned with the RL, which was among the best handling cars in the class, that having the best handling car doesn't mean you have the best-selling car"

First of all, the idea that the RL was "among the best handling" is utter horseshit. I remember when Fifth Gear first tested it on a track, it rolled around like a big fat ass, and without the SH-AWD system overdriving the rear wheels, it would just understeer off the corner like the nose heavy pig it was. The RL bombed because it was as stylish as an old Volvo, and it launched at $50K which nobody will pay for an Acura. Except for the MDX for some reason. So after selling 30-40 cars a month for awhile, Honda's grand idea is to REMOVE the AWD system, and RAISE the price? Seriously WTF?? Did they not know that Acura dealers were putting $10K cash on the hood of RLs within like a year of launch, and they still couldn't move any?

By the way, the author of the NYT piece has responded to most of Tesla's charges. According to him, the car apparently lost 65 miles of indicated range sitting overnight because it was cold out, and the reps at Tesla didn't seem to know their ass from a hole in the ground.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #607 on: February 16, 2013, 12:32:44 AM »

His reply doesn't answer address his blatant lies he and the NYT published and defended.  Simple, the end.  He can shift and deflect from the facts all he wants.  Time for him to go into politics, probably State Dept or Executive branch.  I hear Massachusetts has an opening to replace another lying asshole.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #608 on: February 16, 2013, 12:54:06 AM »

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #609 on: February 16, 2013, 07:11:27 AM »

Well.. bad news for me.

GM finally released info on the Cruze diesel. No MT, similar mileage as the Eco gas, and here's the worst part, starting at $25,700, a cool $6,000 higher than the gas Eco. As if that wasn't bad enough, this engine has been detuned from 160hp to 148hp. I was hoping for $21-23k. Near 26k just isn't worth it.

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Hoping to cash in on growing diesel demand in the U.S. market, Chevrolet debuted the Cruze Clean Turbo Diesel today in Chicago.

Aimed squarely at the Volkswagen Jetta TDI, Chevrolet will offer the car in its higher end 2LT trim for $25,695 including delivery. That’s $1,845 more than the starting price for a Volkswagen, but Chevrolet says the more premium 2LT trim will still represent a compelling value to customers.

In other words, the diesel Cruze will come with heated leather seats standard along with a seven-inch touch screen display. An available driver convenience package also adds an auto-dimming mirror, power side mirrors, a rear view camera and more.

Roughly the first two months of sales, starting in May, will be restricted to specific markets Chevrolet expects to be more open to a diesel compact passenger sedan. After that, the car will be available in dealers nationwide.

Official fuel mileage is still unreleased, but Chevrolet expects the car to get 42 mpg on the highway. That’s right in line with the gas-burning Cruze Eco model, which accounted for 15 percent of the car’s U.S. sales, according to the brand.

But Chevrolet isn’t forecasting the Eco and diesel models to attract the same buyers despite the common efficiencies. Instead, it expects to attract current diesel drivers. This is GM’s first diesel passenger car since the 1987 Chevette, which means the brand hopes to poach customers from other makers. The U.S. diesel pool is a small one, though, and that doesn’t leave much to the imagination. Volkswagen is in the crosshairs.

That raises the question of whether or not Volkswagen drivers would consider switching to a Chevrolet. Base price comparisons make Chevrolet the more expensive option, but that also isn’t a fair comparison because the diesel Cruze is only offered with a six-speed automatic.

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Volkswagen, on the other hand, sells the Jetta with a six-speed manual or dual-clutch gearbox. Chevy’s automatic isn’t the same unit as you would find with the gasoline engines — the unit found here is built to deal with the diesel engine’s 148 hp and 258 lb-ft of torque. In fact, torque can be temporarily increased via an overboost function for about 10 seconds to 280 lb-ft.

Chevrolet promises that will all add up to an engine that feels closer to a V6, and it’s tough to argue. Despite that, it remains to be seen if the new transmission can really stack up to Volkswagen’s DSG which would seem to be the likely winner.

Look for the Cruze Clean Turbo Diesel to roll out nationwide by mid-summer. A fixed date hasn’t been announced, but based on Chevrolet’s announcement that its smaller initial debut will last about two months starting in May, July seems like a safe bet.

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Probly look at a gas Eco then, or stick with my current car.
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