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Author Topic: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)  (Read 158892 times)

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #580 on: January 29, 2013, 07:48:10 AM »

Quattro for the win. Even the Jag on snows couldn't catch the R8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFtgwCOaBL4
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #581 on: January 30, 2013, 12:15:15 AM »

what I want to know is why they tested a convertible model in the snow...  facepalm
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #582 on: January 30, 2013, 12:38:45 AM »

OMG, only $350 more and you get a 6 point roll cage, tow hooks, front brake cooling ducts, 4 point harness!  WTB!  Curse you Nippon only!!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/subaru-unveils-track-ready-brz-ra-racing.html
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #583 on: January 30, 2013, 03:52:54 AM »

Now why would you do a traction test in the snow and turn traction control off?  What was the point of that exactly?  I'm sure the 4.2 would beat it's bigger 5.2 brother also.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #584 on: January 30, 2013, 06:00:47 AM »

You'd have to ask them that, but my guess would be as a test of pure mechanical grip as opposed to different ESP computer programming. If there's little to no traction, some ESP systems are also just completely useless. My old Lexus for example if it was stuck in the snow, with T/C on all it would do is slam on the brakes as soon as there was any wheelspin. You had to switch the system off to actually get the car out.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #585 on: January 30, 2013, 07:24:03 AM »

Well that's Toyota's over aggressive nanny tronics to prevent old and blind people stepping on the gas pedal when trying to brake.  :P   TC is supposed to find the optimal level of grip based on slip to prevent exactly what happened to that 4S which no doubt is heavily biased to the rear mechanically. 


Did your old Lexus have a mechanical diff or was it perhaps trying to e-diff it?
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #586 on: January 30, 2013, 03:16:02 PM »

Speaking of ass-out drifting in snow, check out the new Polo R WRC. Nice debut in Monte Carlo:

http://www.ausmotive.com/2013/01/22/sebastien-ogier-finishes-2nd-in-monte-carlo.html
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #587 on: January 31, 2013, 01:22:52 AM »

Well that's Toyota's over aggressive nanny tronics to prevent old and blind people stepping on the gas pedal when trying to brake.  :P   TC is supposed to find the optimal level of grip based on slip to prevent exactly what happened to that 4S which no doubt is heavily biased to the rear mechanically. 


Did your old Lexus have a mechanical diff or was it perhaps trying to e-diff it?

No I'm not talking about throttle and brake overlap. The T/C itself was doing the braking. Snow under tires, hit the throttle, they spin, T/C brings the hammer down, you go nowhere. It was utterly useless. Switch it off, let the tires spin and the car will eventually free itself. This was a 1996 car so the T/C system was pretty crude and their was no stability control, but some cars at least still act this way on loose surfaces like snow or gravel, I've seen it happen. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #588 on: February 01, 2013, 03:07:14 AM »

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #589 on: February 01, 2013, 01:48:05 PM »

BRZ for the win!
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