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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #360 on: November 12, 2012, 10:59:47 PM »

Thought I'd pop in here because I had some car changes in the past few days.

Over the weekend we got a '09 CTS. I was really set on a 3-series, but after reading about how unreliable the latest ones are (prompted by comments in this thread) I decided to steer clear. So far, no complaints. It feels bigger than what I'd like, and the steering is a bit vague, but the car is handsome and feels well-built.

Yesterday, I traded in the 350Z for a '11 Prius. Obviously drives like a shit box. Less of a car, and more an appliance for transportation -- but will love the MPG for a commute car. My inner geek loves the techie-ness of it, and my car wasn't even optioned with the crazy solar panel sunroof or radar cruise control.

Both cars are iPod-compatible, so I feeling myself being sucked back in to the clutches of the Apple ecosystem....

Should have told me what you wanted for the Z. I probably would've bought it
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #361 on: November 13, 2012, 12:40:42 AM »

Nahhh. I got in an accident at the end of September. Got t-boned while making a u-turn, where the person hit my back wheel directly. They had to rebuild the rear suspension, and it didn't drive the same afterward. It got squirrely above 70mph whereas before it'd be rock solid at 110. I wouldn't have sold it to anyone I liked.

One dealership offered me 6K for it, but the dealer I ended up buying from gave me 8K trade-in.

Trading in the Z for a Prius, everyone asked if I had a baby on the way.

And Jesus that Aventador is nice.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #362 on: November 15, 2012, 03:57:35 AM »

word Quest.

By the way have we discussed the Mazda RX8 already here? ANy thoughts?

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #363 on: November 15, 2012, 04:07:49 AM »

Depends on how you feel about the Renesis rotary and who took care of the RX8 and how.  Expect to keep a healthy eye on oil levels even w/ a new one.  For a '4-door' it's a cool concept/design. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #364 on: November 15, 2012, 04:15:24 AM »

What do you think of the Subaru BRZ Mike?  My father's thinking of buying one.  Kind of funny that he still wants a sports car, he doesn't drive hard or fast, but he just likes how they feel.  He's got an Eagle Talon now that is croaking and is already on it's second engine. 

The BRZ seems to have a lot going for it

NA engine, which is nice if you don't like the turbo jolt, which I don't and could care less about fast acceleration.  Also gets pretty good gas mileage, above 30 I believe
Good visibility- so I hear.  most cars, even small cars like the mini have terrible visibility due to the "thick body" style that everyone is obsessed with.  The BRZ has big windows compared to other cars on the market
pretty cheap
really light
Simple good looks
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #365 on: November 15, 2012, 04:29:01 AM »

Sachu -- one of my good friends had an RX-8, and that sumbitch was always in the shop. It was a FUN car to drive when it was working properly, but he has dumped so many thousands of dollars into getting it fixed that he eventually gave up on it.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #366 on: November 15, 2012, 04:41:16 AM »

It's a great drivers platform no doubt.  Guess who else wants a FRS?  Craig Uthus!!  Despite getting up there and being quite tall, he's always been into light, small cars I guess.

A couple of things to be concerned with:

1-First model year-potential bugs, new QC issues, etc.
2-Is 200hp really enough for you guys?  Drive one to make sure.  280hp coming later but seems likely turbo'd even though a Super was mentioned earlier???
3-make sure you know and understand what you  get w/ a FRS versus a BRZ.
4-mixed impressions on ride and noise.  I've read those who praised the well tuned ride and relative quiet at cruise.  Others have said they got tired of the noise for long distances.  Not sure who is wrong or if it's a matter of tuning between models, countries or road variations reacting w/ the tires depending on weather which also affects suspension.  In my old modded Corolla, you could feel the shocks react differently based on the weather and temps.
5-make sure you don't need a rear seat except to fold down.
6-I wish it was 250 lbs lighter but likely it's super strong due to Subaru crash standards.  The only car company to have all it's car models 5-star rated for 3 years in a row. 

That's about it.  It's a badass platform.  Lower CG than a Porsche Cayman  equal to a Ferrari 430.  Short overhangs, under 3k lbs.  All the performance numbers run on stock Prius tires means massive room for upgrading grip.  The only dynamic concern I have is the weight distribution but hey, it's not mid-engine so let's be real.  It would have been too expensive at the price point to move the trans to rear and would have eaten all the generous trunk space to carry four track wheels and tires.  Power is easy, any moron can add power to a car.  Braking, handling and sheer weight matter most and having the manufacturer deal with those first and foremost saves a lot of time, money, pain and sorrow. 

From an audio side, it has 3 way components w/ tweeters mids and woofer which surprised me.  Plus a nice, well conceived double din ready for a after market headunit/navi w/o need for a ridiculous kit.  The steering wheel wasn't as nice as I'd like since I've gotten used to Marv's in the CT200 which was derived from the LFA.  It is the best factory steering wheel I've used in a car under $100,000.  I wish it was on the BRZ/FRS and on my MR-S!

Myself, I'm waiting for the 280hp variant w/ the 100lbs shed or a retractable hardtop Boxster.  Both cars don't exists as yet which is good for my wallet.  One of those will be my beater to the replace my Legacy GT eventually.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #367 on: November 15, 2012, 04:49:53 AM »

What is the main difference between the BRZ and FRS? I've always wondered. Is it just Flat-4 vs. I-4?

Actually a bit surprised the BRZ isn't AWD, since I thought that was part of Subaru's brand identity or wahtever.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #368 on: November 15, 2012, 04:57:49 AM »

What is the main difference between the BRZ and FRS? I've always wondered. Is it just Flat-4 vs. I-4?
Actually a bit surprised the BRZ isn't AWD, since I thought that was part of Subaru's brand identity or wahtever.

Nope, same engine, same mechanicals, mostly.  Interior trim like dual zone climate and switch gear and headlight/fog light package along w/ aesthetic differences.  Big difference is the suspension tuning.  FRS is stiffer in the rear designed to rotate easier, BRZ is softer and a bit more compliant/less twitchy.

Here's the odd thing most people don't know.  AWD is Subie's thing but they started w/ RWD.  The boxer engine is Subie's and Porsche's thing but Toyota's first sports car was a boxer engine FR!  The Sport 800.  So, being a joint project, it makes sense historically and demand seems to indicate it makes sense economically so far.

AWD pushes you over 3200lbs automatically and makes you compete against your own WRX/STI (the next STI will likely be a return to a 2-door coupe too), so there you go.  Both had room for lighter weight FR sports car in the line-up.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #369 on: November 15, 2012, 05:33:12 AM »

Interesting!  I'll forward these to my father, he'll love the info. 

Funnilly, despite the BRZ not having AWD I think it is more of a Subaru than any of their other cars atm except the impreza, but even that isn't what the impreza should be, it's too small and looses practicality.  We've talked about this before Mike, but Subaru went from being the "anti-SUV" company for everyone who wanted functionality and didn't want all the useless size and crap on an SUV.  And now they're just another SUV company and have turned all but one of their cars into SUV's and now just released another SUV.  They've got 4 SUV's and the Impreza, which is now so small that they no longer have any cars that follow what Subaru was all about- utility and balance in every way- big enough to carry things and people, but small enough to handle like a car, and yet better clearance than most SUV's and yet sporty handling etc.  they no longer have any regular sized wagons, which is what Subaru was all about.  So while the BRZ doesn't have AWD, it does seem to have that balance and well rounded quality that Subaru used to have. 

Sad to see a company not realize what their market is even about.  It's like seeing Sennheiser abandon their entire devoted HD600/650 fanbase and hand them over to Audeze.
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