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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1500 on: September 14, 2015, 07:30:33 AM »

I'd lease that thing if I were you. Scary potential money pit.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1501 on: September 14, 2015, 08:38:23 AM »

The Volt is the highest reliability Chevy ever made, though. It shares a lot of the reliability characteristics with the Prius drive train, so I'd be willing to risk it. Went back and found my previous comments on the Volt for a refresher. Seems I felt the car was just too small all over. Then again my comments were based on a $44k sticker, not $12k. Still interested.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1502 on: September 14, 2015, 10:14:45 AM »

You must not have a lot of rush hour traffic or drive very fast to get 210,000 miles on one set of pads with a non hybrid/electrical car. That almost defies physics.

Lol, early on is probably around 100k. I don't remember the exact mileage. It's Atlanta, no way to avoid traffic but I do my best and GPS helps. Also Atlanta is notorious for fast driving. Police are pretty leanient of speed and tend to only pull over super speeders.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1503 on: September 14, 2015, 02:16:27 PM »

The Volt is the highest reliability Chevy ever made, though. It shares a lot of the reliability characteristics with the Prius drive train, so I'd be willing to risk it. Went back and found my previous comments on the Volt for a refresher. Seems I felt the car was just too small all over. Then again my comments were based on a $44k sticker, not $12k. Still interested.

I'm sorry where are you getting these conclusions? The Volt is only a few years old, how do you know its the most reliable Chevy ever? Do you know how many old Silverados have hundreds of thousands of miles on them? Of all the hybrids available, the Volt is one of the most unlike the Prius. My main concern is you having to replace your battery pack in another 80-100k miles. When are the average changes for packs occurring?
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1504 on: September 14, 2015, 02:24:00 PM »

From what I can tell, at least early Volts have common charging system related problems, related to the battery coolant control system causing the car to refuse to charge. Repair trip numbers aren't outrageous by any means, but they're also not any better than any other decently reliable 2011-2012 car.

The Prius from the same years is MUCH MUCH more reliable than the Volt. At the opposite end of the scale, my girlfriend is in the market for a new car and loves the styling of the Ford Flex for some reason. Yee gad what a POS that thing is. TSBs are the stuff of nightmares. What is going on at Ford lately? Why haven't people been fired? Their quality seemingly brand wide is absolutely in the toilet, and the ecoBoost engines are neither economical nor reliable.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1505 on: September 14, 2015, 04:44:15 PM »

I'm sorry where are you getting these conclusions? The Volt is only a few years old, how do you know its the most reliable Chevy ever? Do you know how many old Silverados have hundreds of thousands of miles on them? Of all the hybrids available, the Volt is one of the most unlike the Prius. My main concern is you having to replace your battery pack in another 80-100k miles. When are the average changes for packs occurring?

Mostly anecdotal, but there is some Consumer Reports and related material.

The battery pack seems bulletproof. Here's a guy who passed 200k miles 10 months ago who puts 2 full charge cycles on his 2012 Volt daily. He has no range loss. (36% EV (75k EV miles))

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/12/21/200000-miles-chevy-volt-problems-ev-crosses-threshold-completely-intact/
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1506 on: September 14, 2015, 09:20:06 PM »

I don't see why someone driving like 5,000 miles a year would bother with a Volt over a Civic, Fit, Prius, or Mazda 3. What little gas cost advantage you'd have would likely be eaten away by increased repair costs and depreciation.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1507 on: September 14, 2015, 09:46:33 PM »

I don't see why someone driving like 5,000 miles a year would bother with a Volt over a Civic, Fit, Prius, or Mazda 3. What little gas cost advantage you'd have would likely be eaten away by increased repair costs and depreciation.

hello,

this is so spot on!

at a car show a few years back the EPA estimates for yearly fuel costs on the standard Civic and the Civic Hybrid showed that it would take TEN years to make up the price premium for the Hybrid. just doesn't make economic sense to me.

YMMV, just my opinion, etc., etc.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1508 on: September 15, 2015, 12:40:44 AM »

I don't see why someone driving like 5,000 miles a year would bother with a Volt over a Civic, Fit, Prius, or Mazda 3. What little gas cost advantage you'd have would likely be eaten away by increased repair costs and depreciation.
It's more than just fuel cost savings. I'd like to use less gas not only for lower cost, but to use less gas. Another reason I've been interested in diesel and electric in this thread is that they are efficient means for exceptional driving feel. Low end torque makes driving more fun around town and makes the car feel more premium, such as a V8 caddy or 12 cyl rolls or something. These cars also tend to have the latest electronics and more standard features than penalty box cars that are truly the 'lowest cost' vehicles on the road.

I could go buy a 53mpg Prius C right now for say $17k new (or $14-15k used) but it wouldn't be enjoyable and I couldn't carry any passengers with legs. People say even that isn't the cheapest route to go, buy a Versa or something for $12k and get mediocre mileage cause the price difference pays for a lot of gas. It doesn't get much more penalty box than a Versa, I mean, the highlights listed for the car include a 2 speaker am/fm radio.

Or I could buy a Volt like above at $12-14k and fully charge for $1 every 3rd day, get lots of standard features and good driving experience.
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Re: The New Car Saga (and general auto chat)
« Reply #1509 on: September 15, 2015, 01:29:10 AM »

I'd like to use less gas not only for lower cost, but to use less gas.

hello,

this is a very valid point. a good friend has a Prius for that very reason.  :)
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