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Author Topic: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results  (Read 1811 times)

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A few of you have asked about taking one leg of the XLR balanced outputs to feed a single ended input, instead of simply using the single ended output as provided by the designers of the DAC.

For some background, see these links:

http://www.tweakaudio.com/EVS-2/Schiit_mod.html
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2346.msg73846.html#msg73846
http://www.head-fi.org/t/766347/schiit-yggdrasil-impressions-thread/420#post_11774881

The idea behind this was to bypass the summing circuit from the differential outputs of the two DAC chips (per channel). I don't know where people get these cockamany ideas, but maybe they were thinking Ragnarok where the summing circuit does indeed degrade the sound significantly. The Ragnarok is a totally different situation though. Also, some people seem to have interpreted some comments from Jason regarding this mod as a something Schiit has "blessed". I've said this before and will say it again:

Basically XLR to XLR or phono to phono or XLR to phono via pro box with transformer. No explody anything.  I like to keep things simple and as the designers designed it. There's is a solid reason why the designers put in the summing circuit instead of just taking a leg off the balanced. (I actually know some of the more nuanced reasons why, but I am not gonna say.) Fricking enjoy your Yggy instead of worrying about "increasing" sound quality based on recommendations from quacks and retards who want to sell you magic stickers and cables.

However, there is no harm in trying. So I've decided to try this myself so you guys don't have to waste your money by having some dude charge you $120 for cables that cost $10 in parts or use cables that make something explode or pop. For this experiment, I've decided to use my own Golden Urine brand cables (see below). They are the second best XLR -> SE cables ever invented by mankind. If you would like to purchase a set, I will gladly sell them to for you $55 + shipping.

For this test, I used the ZD and various headphones (HP1000 and HD650). The Yggy was fed by the Theta Data III via AES. The CD used was Talking Heads Speaking in Tongues - the remaster from middle 2000s.

Here are my notes:

Ravi SE - > SE cables (using SE output from Yggy)
  • Deeper stage with more precise placement
  • More refined. More focused.
  • More resolving. Better spacial cues.
  • Better texture in bass.
Golden Urine XLR -> SE cables (taking on phase of XLR output of Yggy)
  • Collapsed soundstage depth.
  • Blurry. "Lower fidelity". Hard to describe.
  • Decreased resolution. Feeling of discomfort because all the plankton I heard before and got used to isn't quite there.
  • Loss of texture in bass (e.g. string buzzing in bass not as clearly heard)
  • Possibly 1-2% blacker background and less veil. This is difficult to ascertain because of #2.
Overall, differences are small.


RECOMMENDATION:

Don't be a retard. It appears that the designers of the Yggy know what they are doing. But I do have speshal cables to sell you.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil XLR to SE Tweak BS Observations and Results
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2015, 08:02:56 AM »

 Merv:

You need to pay me $35 to buy those cables  :)p13
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2015, 08:33:46 AM »

To my ears the Clear Urine cables (doesn’t matter what termination) sound much more liquid and just more... well, more clear than the Golden Urine.  The GUs are definitely on the dry or almost ‘dehydrated’ side of things.  I do not find them very resolving at all.  They make everything sound like what you would hear after drinking a six-pack of beer. :)p5
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 11:43:22 AM »

Ravi SE cable wins again.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 01:21:42 PM »

Marv, can you comment on how many N's of oxygen free-ness the packing tape provides? (It is packing tape, right?)
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 02:11:33 PM »

 How much for the Messiah Urine upgrade?   :)p6
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2015, 03:27:24 PM »

Have you tried taking + and - legs to RCA for SE input (leaving pin 1 unconnected)?

« Last Edit: July 22, 2015, 03:53:04 PM by OJneg »
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2015, 03:41:37 PM »

You can improve the sound quality by using magnet wire instead. The best dielectric is no dielectric after all, plus the red colour absorbs infrared radiation to provide quantum level energy and release the electrons so they move faster (Einstein won the Nobel price for his research here on the photoelectric effect).

 :)p8
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2015, 03:46:01 PM »

Studio standard canare star-quad XLRF to RCA, pin 2 hot:
http://www.markertek.com/product/sc100xjr/canare-star-quad-cable-xlr-female-to-rca-male-100-foot-black
$16.99 each for 3 ft black

But why? As Marvey stated, the designers have already worked out the best interface topologies. Mike & Jason know their engineering.

As for me, I use the RCA for the ZanaDeux and XLR for V200 (soon to be Liquid Carbon)

And I am not on these boards much because I am waaay too busy enjoying the Ygg+ZD+HD650/HD800 and plenty of new music in the library. The realism of the Ygg+ZD+HDxxx is so involving as to preclude multitasking with online forums, at least for me.
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Re: Schiit Yggdrasil BS XLR to SE Tweak Observations and Results
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2015, 03:53:04 PM »

Have you tried taking + and - legs to RCA for SE input (leaving pin 1 unconnected)?

And shorting one leg to ground? Bad idea.
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