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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2015, 07:26:42 AM »

Wait a minute - what you're saying is that at line-out configuration (turning on line-out/just set volume straight at 75 are the same thing for me) IMD jumps by 100 fold? I think I've done some serious listening at 75 feeding amps and no major issues have happened. I'll confirm tomorrow.

The result is still about 1%. But unloaded it is nearly 100x lower. That said, is 1% THD or 2% IMD audibly discernible? I have no idea. But it shows heavy load results in IMD and THD performance. Otherwise, it is near the top for all AK players, no matter the price. I'm thinking of purchasing one as a portable reference system. It is very, very good.

When feeding outboard amps, aberration remains roughly 0,01%, so feeding external amps it should present no problem. I assume outboard amps will perform worse anyway. Under load, it shows faults, that in some areas, are worse than an iPhone or iPod, but unloaded, it is very good.
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2015, 07:56:50 AM »

So here's my question. As someone who's completely been ruined by the Yggy, how Sigma-Delta-y does this sound? How does it compare against the Geek Out (v2 preferable)?

I'm quite tempted to get a full-time device like this.
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2015, 08:13:50 AM »

So here's my question. As someone who's completely been ruined by the Yggy, how Sigma-Delta-y does this sound? How does it compare against the Geek Out (v2 preferable)?

I'm quite tempted to get a full-time device like this.

I don't own the Geek Out. But I've been using R2R (is that what you mean by 'Sigma-Delty') DACs for years. AK Jr isn't like them at all. It's strictly neutral with a slight bit more distortion than I expected, but still very low considering. I am willing to put my money and mouth behind it as a quality source.
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2015, 03:57:50 PM »

So here's my question. As someone who's completely been ruined by the Yggy, how Sigma-Delta-y does this sound? How does it compare against the Geek Out (v2 preferable)?

I'm quite tempted to get a full-time device like this.


Its warm and  intimate not the most resolving. You won't mind the delta sigma so much at this low of quality.

Against the geek v2? It's not as good as the 450,  but neither of those are really mobile, sooo apples to oranges.

The screens sucks sooo bad, pisses me of that instead of using the same screen as the ii generation they actually went out of their way to source a new manufacturer to get a cheaper screen just so that they won't cannibalize there own sales.  I like the shape though.  the software is almost as bad as the first generation
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2015, 06:44:59 PM »

So here's my question. As someone who's completely been ruined by the Yggy, how Sigma-Delta-y does this sound? How does it compare against the Geek Out (v2 preferable)?

I'm quite tempted to get a full-time device like this.

I have no experience with Geek Out series but I also think it's apple vs oranges.

Firstly I think we need to figure out if the "Line Out" function in the menu really bypass the onboard amp - and to my ears it does (feeding Rx). Not a big difference, but I think I when I hot switch to line out, maybe I heard a tad more volume, a bit more clarity, and a bit more soundstage.

Secondly, when the line out is on, while you adjust the volume, and there is a line out option on the upper-right corner of the screen, and I don't think switching that on/off makes a difference.

Thirdly, I played around 70~72 volume to compare with 75 maxed out, and I don't really feel the measured data is translated into audiable difference. I also assume nobody is gonna listen straight out of the Jr with 75.

The ΔΣ sound ... I'm not technically proficient, but I assume aside from Yggdrasil and Amstrong 200, every other source I've heard are ΔΣ? If that is the case, Jr is comparably more neutral than most of stuff I've heard. It doesn't have very notable glaring problem (probably because no Sabre chip). As I've noted in the main post, it can sound a touch bright but mostly neutral. It also has a little of grain, but nowhere making me insane.

Being portable to me is ultimately a compromise, and Jr does a good portable job. I'm not sure if it sonically comes close to the holy portable grail on CS (GO-Leck), but in terms of size and convenience Jr wins hands down for me.
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2015, 08:46:51 PM »

Thanks for the responses. Yeah, I'm looking for a UI/interface that I don't hate connectedl to great portable DAC/amp. Right now it looks like the Geek Out v2+ and my iPhone may be the best option for me.

I'd really like to see a Geek Out v2 DAC/AMP + Android-backed-UI + a decent screen + an iPod wheel. Ravi, are you on that yet? :)
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2015, 08:51:04 PM »

Yeah it's tough all the good uis app uis don't support flac/high rez/or USB out the once that do aren't that much better than the audiophile daps.  Then you have to deal with apples fixed storage its a headache.
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2015, 09:00:10 PM »

Yeah, fixed storage is fine when it's just that thing you don't want to be messing with, but with huge FLAC files and libraries, it's starts to get a bit out of control.

Is there a good FLAC player for the iPhone? The new iPod Touch is 128gb.
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2015, 10:21:37 PM »

Yeah, fixed storage is fine when it's just that thing you don't want to be messing with, but with huge FLAC files and libraries, it's starts to get a bit out of control.

Is there a good FLAC player for the iPhone? The new iPod Touch is 128gb.

With the $9.99 upgrade (an in-app purchase), Onkyo HF Player supports FLAC (and ALAC) up to 192/24.

Yeah, this has got my attention. I'd be happier if the new iPod Touch was 256k, or had a micro SD slot, but with WiFi and Bluetooth and the best portable-player UI ever, my AK Jr. may be for sale tomorrow.
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Re: Astell & Kern Jr. Review
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2015, 03:26:41 AM »

Of course going down that route you give up physical controls (believe me when someone walks up to you and decides you can her them talk, it takes forever to locate that onscreen pause button).  Still don't have a UI thats that much better than the ak's. And still have to deal with apps you don't use constantly bugging you to upgrade them.

Plus the bulk.  Lets not forget the bulk.

(I'm not saying these things to be condescending just trying to give a full view of the state of portable hifiaudio.) Oh one more, audio quality of daps is not that much better than that of an iphone.
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