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Re: Computer update
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2015, 03:04:13 AM »

With regards to Intel CPUs I wouldn't get too hung up on waiting for the next gen unless you are going to use the integrated graphics or want to hit a specific power envelope.  That's where all the CPU R&D has been going over the past few years as opposed to IPC performance which only goes up a few percent with each revision.

Skylake brings something like a 15% IPC increase, nothing to sneeze at. Plus there's a good chance that Intel will stall at this microarchitecture for a few years, so the new socket will have a decent upgrade lifespan.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2015, 03:18:19 AM »

Nonsense, they're not boring at all. Working with tightly packed and sharp steel edges keeps you on edge when trying to force in a new GPU or screw in a hard drive. Trying to make sensible airflow in maze of IDE ribbons is a real challenge. The real reason Corsairs aren't interesting is they lack performance and price/performance.

Skylake brings something like a 15% IPC increase, nothing to sneeze at. Plus there's a good chance that Intel will stall at this microarchitecture for a few years, so the new socket will have a decent upgrade lifespan.

I've seen a few preliminary benches, and they're all over the place. Whether it actually holds up or not, I'm sure that this would be closer to thermal limits on the new process.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2015, 04:36:38 AM »

Intel SSD will have more endurance which is why I'll pick Intel over Samsung from now on. Also power off protect, etc etc.

Open air automatically gives you -5c vs closed case in quiet rig. There's a lot of potential. Means you can run fans at lower speeds and still achieve better cooling. Win-win situation.

If you really refuse to go open air,  CM HAF XB Evo works.  Greed ended up going with that case and is very happy with it.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2015, 05:32:44 AM »

That CM HAF XB Evo is an odd case, aimed at a certain use, which is not mine.

Looked at the Refine R5. Looks alright, but there might be better. The Silencio does not appear to be sold anymore.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2015, 06:17:48 AM »

That CM HAF XB Evo is an odd case, aimed at a certain use, which is not mine.

Looked at the Refine R5. Looks alright, but there might be better. The Silencio does not appear to be sold anymore.
Since you're hellbent on traditional cases, Arc Midi R2 seems better than R5. I've worked on an R4 before and there's a lot of airflow restriction at the front of the case. I was able to get it as quiet as my rig but ran 5C hotter.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2015, 07:29:04 AM »

The Fractal cases are alright, but stale. It's the same basic design going back to basically the beginning, just with some updates here and there. Still very traditional ATX with the hard drives stuck in front of the fans and not a ton of thought in terms of direct GPU cooling. Other companies are doing things smarter these days.

As for SSDs, I've been very pleased with my Crucial M550s and MX100s, especially now that they've released a proper SSD software tool. They are among the lowest cost SSDs on the market, yet have very competitive performance, and no dogcrap Sandforce or largely untested FOTM controller like you get from a lot of the smaller players. Built-in power loss protection, and none of the issues I've been reading about with Samsung drives. If I had bought a bunch of 840 EVOs I'd be none to pleased. I always thought TLC was bullshit. I lost interest in Intel when they went to Sandforce for their consumer level drives.

Here's what I would suggest looking at in terms of a case. Couple of degrees hotter than an open air test bench for both CPU and GPU. Direct cooling path to the components and full dust filtration, WITH the ability to still mount a bunch of drives. Front mounted HDD trays can be added one at a time, really clever stuff. The doors also swing out and lift off, so it's about as easy to work inside as it's going to get. PWM fan hub on the back, so a single motherboard chassis fan header can control all of the case fans at once. IMO Phanteks is showing everybody else how it's done.

It's also worth noting that there's no I/O on the front cover, it's just a cover. The power switch is on top, I/O is under a panel that is part of the case. So if you want to maximize intake airflow, just leave the front cover off.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2015/06/01/phanteks-enthoo-evolv-atx-review/1



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Re: Computer update
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2015, 07:45:54 AM »

The Fractal cases are alright, but stale. It's the same basic design going back to basically the beginning, just with some updates here and there. Still very traditional ATX with the hard drives stuck in front of the fans and not a ton of thought in terms of direct GPU cooling. Other companies are doing things smarter these days.

As for SSDs, I've been very pleased with my Crucial M550s and MX100s, especially now that they've released a proper SSD software tool. They are among the lowest cost SSDs on the market, yet have very competitive performance, and no dogcrap Sandforce or largely untested FOTM controller like you get from a lot of the smaller players. Built-in power loss protection, and none of the issues I've been reading about with Samsung drives. If I had bought a bunch of 840 EVOs I'd be none to pleased. I always thought TLC was bullshit. I lost interest in Intel when they went to Sandforce for their consumer level drives.

Here's what I would suggest looking at in terms of a case. Couple of degrees hotter than an open air test bench for both CPU and GPU. Direct cooling path to the components and full dust filtration, WITH the ability to still mount a bunch of drives. Front mounted HDD trays can be added one at a time, really clever stuff. The doors also swing out and lift off, so it's about as easy to work inside as it's going to get. PWM fan hub on the back, so a single motherboard chassis fan header can control all of the case fans at once. IMO Phanteks is showing everybody else how it's done.

It's also worth noting that there's no I/O on the front cover, it's just a cover. The power switch is on top, I/O is under a panel that is part of the case. So if you want to maximize intake airflow, just leave the front cover off.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2015/06/01/phanteks-enthoo-evolv-atx-review/1

For consumer drives, Micron/Crucial has bulletproof reliability. Not sure if they have released a competitive NVMe drive yet though. NVMe is really the future.

Forgot about Phanteks' new cases. For a traditional tower, that's one of the better designs. If Maxvla doesn't need to shove a lot of HDDs in the case, I think the R4/R5 work better since GPU can get air directly from underneath with the bottom fan which Phanteks doesn't have.

If Maxvla is willing to be more open minded, a side by side case is better still. Does take up a larger footprint though.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2015, 08:27:33 AM »

Phanteks case looks nice, but no spot for an optical drive.

I don't know if you didn't see the list, but yes, I do plan to have several hard drives loaded. I currently use 5 hard disks 1 ssd and an optical drive.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2015, 02:20:41 PM »

@Chris F

The chip upgrade is somewhat about performance, but is mostly about updating the platform as a whole, and getting in on the 1151 socket at the beginning, with perhaps some upgradability later. This burned me on the 1156 socket, being an early adopter, but the 1151 seems to have legs. Moving to the 100 series chipset gets me several smaller tech upgrades as well as the faster main processor, so it's about the sum of the parts, rather than just getting a fast chip.

Excellent point.  I too am trying to upgrade an old 1156 PC so I totally empathize. I may go to something 2011 based because I want 6+ cores.  My major use case for actually building the thing is audio processing (needledrops mostly!) where the algorithms are perfectly suited to parallelization.
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Re: Computer update
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2015, 11:27:23 PM »

Phanteks case looks nice, but no spot for an optical drive.

I don't know if you didn't see the list, but yes, I do plan to have several hard drives loaded. I currently use 5 hard disks 1 ssd and an optical drive.

Oh right. One of the Enthoo cases would work for you then, loads of storage.
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