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Who shouldn't be trusted?

Steve Guttenberg @ CNET
- 94 (11.6%)
Mike Mercer
- 91 (11.2%)
Mike Fremer @ Stereophile
- 32 (3.9%)
Headphonia.com
- 66 (8.1%)
What Hi-Fi?
- 58 (7.2%)
24bit / Michael Piskor @ Headfonics.com
- 38 (4.7%)
John Grandberg / Project86 @ Head-Fi.com
- 28 (3.5%)
hifiguy528 @ Head-Fi.com
- 64 (7.9%)
Macedonian Hero @ Head -Fi.com
- 48 (5.9%)
Srajan Ebaen @ SixMoons.com
- 72 (8.9%)
Skylab @ Head-Fi.com
- 31 (3.8%)
Chris Connaker @ ComputerAudiophile.com
- 30 (3.7%)
Jude Mansilla @Head-Fi.com
- 116 (14.3%)
Michael Lavorgna (late add - redo vote if you want to add)
- 24 (3%)
TAS / Robert Harley (late add - redo vote if you want to add)
- 19 (2.3%)

Total Members Voted: 162

Voting closes: March 28, 2018, 05:02:01 PM


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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #100 on: July 06, 2015, 08:52:48 AM »

Great post N3rdling  popcorn .

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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #101 on: July 06, 2015, 09:14:26 AM »

What about the famous headphone reviewer ... Dale Thorn ?
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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #102 on: July 06, 2015, 09:44:25 AM »

What about the famous headphone reviewer ... Dale Thorn ?

His DT48-bias is an issue for me. He is a midrange lover like me but the grains of salt are large with him...
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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #103 on: July 06, 2015, 11:48:32 AM »

These guys seem to have got the EL-8 more than most, which is a breath of fresh air considering what garbage it is, they don't seem to hold back from being brutal a lot of products actually.  like their pictures as well.

http://www.inearspace.com/#!Audeze-EL8-The-Audeze-For-the-Masses/c112t/5536450f0cf23d01643ce583
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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #104 on: July 06, 2015, 02:05:25 PM »

Removing more people from the list, I also don't trust people that listen with their eyes.  There are so many people that, I think, already know what buzzwords they're gonna use before they even listen to a piece of gear.  That could be subconscious, I'm not sure.  Are there tubes?  Talk about warmth.  Solid state?  Say it's harsh.  Does it measure very well?  Say something about it being 'sterile'.  Is there wood involved? Mention it sounding 'organic'.  This goes on and on.  I've even noticed what seems to be a pretty high correlation in terms used depending on the color of the gear (copper colors > silver, manufacturers).

"The perceptual ambiguity of wine helps explain why contextual influences—say, the look of a label, or the price tag on the bottle—can profoundly influence expert judgment. This was nicely demonstrated in a mischievous 2001 experiment led by Frédéric Brochet at the University of Bordeaux. In one test, Brochet included fifty-four4 wine experts and asked them to give their impressions of what looked like two glasses of red and white wine. The wines were actually the same white wine, one of which had been tinted red with food coloring. But that didn’t stop the experts from describing the “red” wine in language typically used to describe red wines. One expert said that it was “jammy,”5 while another enjoyed its “crushed red fruit.”

Another test that Brochet conducted was even more damning. He took a middling Bordeaux and served it in two different bottles. One bottle bore the label of a fancy grand cru, the other of an ordinary vin de table. Although they were being served the exact same wine, the experts gave the bottles nearly opposite descriptions. The grand cru was summarized as being “agreeable,” “woody,” “complex,” “balanced,” and “rounded,” while the most popular adjectives for the vin de table included “weak,” “short,” “light,” “flat,” and “faulty.”"

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/frontal-cortex/does-all-wine-taste-the-same


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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2015, 03:24:16 PM »

Extra protip: Generally, if the review rambles on and on, they're probably making a lot of shit up in their mind.

That, or they just want everyone to know what you are listening to. :p
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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #106 on: July 06, 2015, 03:49:53 PM »

Headfonia has been one of the most dangerous sites for me since I started this hobby, since they occasionally have enough criticism that I think they are being objective, but at the end of the day that's not always the case.  At least they have the guts to do some comparisons from time to time though.

I think headphone.guru and 6moons are the biggest jokes for me.  I sometimes read over 1000 words in a review and feel like I learned nothing about the actual piece of gear.  6moon is hard to take seriously to begin with, but I actually was introduced to this hobby by googling MLE's gaming thread on head-fi; so when he started doing reviews on guru, I naturally took a peak at their other reviews.  Their overall lack of criticism and comparisons really drives me batty (see their recent Ether review).

I don't know about 24bit and his Flare IEM thing, but I appreciate headfonics for their boldness to be critical when most other sites aren't.  24bit is pretty clear and up-front about his preferences (he doesn't like clerical, analytical sound signatures and instead prefers warmer headphones with good bass impact) and that's why he doesn't like many otherwise popular headphones.  I never get the sense that he's shilling for views or free goods, but maybe that's just me.

I'm always interested to find trustworthy review sites though... inearspace seems quite interesting.  I am currently looking for an upgrade over my 400i to pair with my new HA-1, and I had been considering the PM-2.  Almost every review site gave it glowing reviews, yet when I actually spoke with owners via PM (forgive the wordplay), most of them were less appreciative of the cans, especially in the treble region.  It's refreshing to see that inearspace gives the PM-2 an equally honest review.  Guess I need to continue my search for 400i successor, hah!
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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #107 on: July 06, 2015, 04:05:46 PM »

The Mahler thing is largely a regurgitation of the info/impressions I gave him of high end HPs through tons of PMs over the course of maybe half a year. 

Just take a moment to reread that bit above, there's little room for ambiguity in interpreting that statement.

Because this is certainly news. Mahler's "Battle of the Flagships" piece is actually just him repeating _your_ impressions, not his own? He was certainly very clear about representing that as his own experience and expertise, based on having owned and having spent at least 50 hours of listening with each HP, and was very clear about stating things from the perspective of his own ears and listening. And so you're saying that's not true.  He's just regurgitating the impressions you gave him.

Yeah, right.
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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #108 on: July 06, 2015, 04:29:09 PM »

Yeah, I'd say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Screenshots.
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Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
« Reply #109 on: July 06, 2015, 05:01:15 PM »

The Mahler thing is largely a regurgitation of the info/impressions I gave him of high end HPs through tons of PMs over the course of maybe half a year.

How do you mean exactly? Are you saying his impressions/reviews aren't original? He's the one with all the gear, no?
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