CHANGSTAR: Audiophile Headphone Reviews and Early 90s Style BBS

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Title: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 02, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
Ok I will start the  :boom:

Steve Guttenberg: does this guy have an actual opinion? It seems like everything he review sounds so awesome.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: GoldfishX on July 02, 2015, 08:39:02 PM
Mike Mercer wins my Shilltastic Shill award. That piece he did on the McIntosh DAC (D2500? whatever the darn thing is) was too much  poo
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 02, 2015, 09:02:12 PM
Guttenberg trolls, and seems to have terrible ears. Mercer is just a sycophant.

I can't help but like Mikey Fremer. His vinyl worship is out of control, but I certainly appreciate his willingness to call out bad pressings, bad reissue labels, and bad plants whenever they deserve it. I also like that he's willing to post files for things like blind cartridge comparisons on his site. I have no idea what his reasoning is for what earns a "Gruvy" award on AnalogPlanet and what doesn't, but the site overall is actually pretty useful.

Michael Lavorgna over at AudioStream on the other hand is another troll, and Steven Plaskin who also writes there.. oh. my. god.
http://www.audiostream.com/content/synergistic-research-atmosphere

Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: aufmerksam on July 02, 2015, 09:02:42 PM
Ok I will start the  :boom:

Steve Guttenberg: does this guy have an actual opinion? It seems like everything he review sounds so awesome.

when you are as awesome as gutty, everything else is awesome too.

Mike Mercer wins my Shilltastic Shill award. That piece he did on the McIntosh DAC (D2500? whatever the darn thing is) was too much  poo

my favorite reviewer to read is still Steven Rochlin, also of "enjoy the music". his streams of consciousness should be case study for psych students.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 02, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
Every 6moons review: Am I on planet earth? Why don't I understand what sound characteristics they are talking about? Is it audiophile lingo? Nope. Can't find it on Internet or anywhere else. Guess the level of acadamic sound science/mambo jumbo is really way beyond my low human intelligence. Why can't I click on some of the reviews links on the site?! Oh wait I am really dumbfked.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: jexby on July 02, 2015, 09:41:44 PM
Mike Mercer wins my Shilltastic Shill award. That piece he did on the McIntosh DAC (D2500? whatever the darn thing is) was too much  poo

Believe we had the same post in Draft form at the same time, but I wussed out and didn't click Post to make #2 in this thread.
wanted to see if others had the same "wtf Mercer" comments before tainting the thread. much.
ha!

I mean, Mercer loved the Audeze EL-8?    :vomit:


Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Maxvla on July 02, 2015, 09:47:46 PM
This guy, Merv P. Changstar, thinks everything is Schiit. Can't be arsed to read 'reviews' where nuthin's good. He's the anti-shill and is single handedly ruining the universe of audio.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 02, 2015, 10:28:46 PM
 Dan-Alexandru Gheorghe of Headmania tells it straight from the horse mouth. Highly Recommended.  :)p7

http://headmania.org/2015/06/28/theta-dspro-basic-oldie-but-goldie-dac/
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 02, 2015, 10:39:36 PM
This guy, Merv P. Changstar, thinks everything is Schiit. Can't be arsed to read 'reviews' where nuthin's good. He's the anti-shill and is single handedly ruining the universe of audio.

Newton's Third Law:
(https://www.chantcd.com/images/1596/1596x.jpg)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 02, 2015, 10:46:14 PM
What(crap)hifi: They seem to love audiolab, niam, arcam and cambridge audio. What's in common here? Union Jack bias? I don't know.  walk the plank2
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on July 02, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
What(crap)hifi: They seem to love audiolab, niam, arcam and cambridge audio. What's in common here? UK bias? I don't know.  walk the plank2

Once a rep of Audioquest told me "if you want to know the goodness of our cables, subscribe to WHF and read a bit more. you need to knoe more about cable science."

Geez...
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: meloman on July 02, 2015, 10:50:06 PM
Archimago's Musings  headbang
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: spoony on July 02, 2015, 11:32:05 PM
Anyone who uses the word PRaT :vomit:

24bit from Headfonics.com, WTF is treble slam?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 02, 2015, 11:41:56 PM
What?! Female audiophile?!  p:3

Frankly if I seen her review earlier, I would have saved alot of $.
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-150-over-ear-headphones/
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 02, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
The Authority of Headphone reviews: http://www.innerfidelity.com/

Not Safe For Work/Home/Public/Wherever:
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Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 03, 2015, 12:14:43 AM
What(crap)hifi: They seem to love audiolab, niam, arcam and cambridge audio. What's in common here? Union Jack bias? I don't know.  walk the plank2

Brits tend to be protective of Brit industry. In the real world the Aston Martin V8 Vantage for example is largely terrible, but you'd NEVER know that from reading a review in a British car mag. Naim does some stuff fairly well, other stuff not so much. The others though... meh.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 03, 2015, 12:21:33 AM
I should also add, Fremer gets points for calling out PS Audio both on a mediocre sounding product AND significant sample variation. Stay classy PS.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: anetode on July 03, 2015, 12:31:09 AM
I should also add, Fremer gets points for calling out PS Audio both on a mediocre sounding product AND significant sample variation. Stay classy PS.

Minus a few points for being a colossal narcissistic douche though. Can only stand to read his stuff when it concerns vinyl.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: purplegoat on July 03, 2015, 05:49:06 AM
Every 6moons review: Am I on planet earth? Why don't I understand what sound characteristics they are talking about? Is it audiophile lingo? Nope. Can't find it on Internet or anywhere else. Guess the level of acadamic sound science/mambo jumbo is really way beyond my low human intelligence. Why can't I click on some of the reviews links on the site?! Oh wait I am really dumbfked.

LOL'D

I always assume literacy will get me most of the way through reviews but it barely makes a dent there..

also I hate to say it but I have trouble trusting John Grandberg's ears. if only for all the hype he stirred up around the  poo Yulong gear.. I'd be interested in other's opinions though

I can't stand the way hifiguy and Jude "preview" headphones. I think that's more an issue I have with hype in general tho.. I wonder if anybody has literally masturbated to their videos..





Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 03, 2015, 07:24:25 AM
Speaking of hifiguy528...

Uses a ultra high end USD$930+ Audioquest Diamond USB Cable on an entry level(according to him) USD$1499 DAC. (USD$2429+ in total)

Who the hell does that? Why not just spend $2429 into higher grade usb/dac amp?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yipHx4Vcbkc


Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Golmang on July 03, 2015, 08:41:47 AM
MIKE MERCER

Everything he reviews is damn good, awesome and has characteristic x, y and z. No matter the headphone or the chain. Everything's great. And then you see people literally begging for his impressions, refreshing, spamming HF threads and waiting in anticipation of his "opinion". This man will never run out of gear.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Jeff Y on July 03, 2015, 08:46:54 AM
Once a rep of Audioquest told me "if you want to know the goodness of our cables, subscribe to WHF and read a bit more. you need to knoe more about cable science."

Geez...
Hahahaha! You made my day.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on July 03, 2015, 08:50:17 AM
I mean, Mercer loved the Audeze EL-8?    :vomit:

Macedonian Hero loved it as well... See his headphone.guru review.   popcorn


I'm not familiar with all reviewers you listed guys... the only one I read carefully because I trust his honesty is Tyll. Even if our tastes mostly differ. I trust him because I heard a lot of gear he reviewed and always thought was he told us was almost right.  I sometimes disagreed with him but I can' understand why because I always can understand wheere he comes from. Not to mention his measurements. 


Generaly speaking , once I heard the Hugo for Myself and compared to what most people wrote about that Joke.. i lost confidence in almost everyone.  Now with he HE1K I 'm losing confidence in even more people.  facepalm 
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: zachchen1996 on July 03, 2015, 09:20:59 AM
once I heard the Hugo for Myself and compared to what most people wrote about that Joke.. i lost confidence in almost everyone.

So true^
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ohhgourami on July 03, 2015, 09:57:59 AM
Speaking of hifiguy528...

Uses a ultra high end USD$930+ Audioquest Diamond USB Cable on an entry level(according to him) USD$1499 DAC. (USD$2429+ in total)

Who the hell does that? Why not just spend $2429 into higher grade usb/dac amp?

But he wouldn't be legitimate if he used a generic USB cable...
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Tyll Hertsens on July 03, 2015, 01:53:02 PM
The one headphone reviewer I read when not familiar with a headphone is CNET's David Carnoy.  I think he is fairly accurate and his reviews are refreshingly short.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Chris F on July 03, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
I like Fremer.  Emailed him directly once for some gear advice and he was quite personable and up front in his suggestions.  I also think he does a huge service to his readers by posting audio samples from the stuff under review, especially cartridges which are pretty much impossible to home demo.  Sure, it's not the same as hearing it in person but generally speaking the core sonic values of whatever is under review will be present in the sample.

He does go a bit over the top on discussion boards (mostly disqus stuff on audio/vinyl related stuff) though.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: x838nwy on July 03, 2015, 03:37:47 PM
Srajan Ebaen - seems to use words from the English language in such a way that actually prevents them from making any sense. Just thousands upon thousands of words all the while saying dick-all. Great of you're constipated and need something while on the toilwt, i guess. To my mind, he's like an anti-purr1n or something.

And the guy Tyll. Just terrible. He measures headphones! Who does that? Just Mercer it, dance around and sing "everything is awesome!" like in the Lego movie and you'll be fine. (Just shitting with you, i value tyll's opinions highly and enjoy his writing and youtube videos a great deal.)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: elwappo99 on July 03, 2015, 04:18:19 PM

I mean, Mercer loved the Audeze EL-8?    :vomit:




Mercer was singing praises about both EL-8 units. Claiming they were amazing units, sound so close to the upper range Audeze products, etc. etc. Full pages of total hype for weeks.

When the units shipped he got called out by like 12 users, asking why he didn't talk about any of the problems and he didn't respond.

So to add some of the reviewers I just ignore

1. headfonia - Sometimes people quote headfonia as a source (or reference point). I usually only respond with "No one takes headfonia seriously"

2. Mercer - I'm sure he really loves and headphones and gets excited, but if the review is 100% you haven't listened critically

3. hifiguy528 - Purchased 1 pair of headphones based on his review. Was pretty disappointed at how middle of the road it sounded. Few weeks later he posted a video of his cable inventory. If only I had known. He had some cable that took a AA alkaline battery, and had a LED indicator light and did some voodoo magic. He claimed the cable was good quality, because it had such good battery life.

4. Sky....

5. Macedonianhero - Seems to be all over the place but with less hype. Distinctly remember him calling the Beyer T1 "neutral". --Nope, nope





Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 03, 2015, 04:35:33 PM
Chris Connaker of Computer Audiophile has gone WAY down hill. Back when he started his reviews were fairly honest, and pretty useful. All of that is gone. Now everything sounds great. Everything is great. Every time he posts a new review, there's always several commenters asking "Hey Chris, how does this compare to X product you reviewed last week?" and it's always crickets. He absolutely refuses to compare anything to anything else. Not even to help steer people to one product or the other based on what their tastes might be, as opposed to declaring one product "better" than the other. Just complete silence.

This guy on the other hand, I f-ing love this guy. I wish he would review way more stuff than he does.

http://noaudiophile.com/Zu/
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: insidious meme on July 03, 2015, 04:46:03 PM

This guy on the other hand, I f-ing love this guy. I wish he would review way more stuff than he does.

http://noaudiophile.com/Zu/

This dude. I read a review from him some time ago that was informative but pretty funny. I had forgotten about him, but thanks for bringing him back to our attention.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: GoldfishX on July 03, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Would it be fair game to throw Jude into the mix? His video reviews, he looks like he is getting an erection from the gear he talks about. I remember him talking about that binaural test CD for about 10 minutes like it was the cure for cancer.

Of course, I don't expect him to be an "objective" reviewer by any means ($$$), so not sure I would count him.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Marvey on July 03, 2015, 07:05:54 PM
NO HARM, NO FOUL
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: GoldfishX on July 03, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
Ah, okay, Headphonia is somewhere I had a bad suspicion about. You can tell from the writing they are trying to toe the line, while trying to favor certain pieces (they have a thing for Woo gear I've noticed). I stopped reading them a long time ago. Same for 6moons, but they are sometimes entertaining and cover some obscure gear at times.

As for Jude, I'm very anti-censorship so seeing him try to shut down arguments on the forums is a huge no-no flag. But that Binaural CD review...*shudder* It literally gave me the creeps.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 03, 2015, 08:43:42 PM
   
  • What Hi-Fi is a site for wankers. Part of the British Hi-Fi industrial-media complex. No product gets less than four stars and everything from Chord gets five.

Chord is definitely guaranteed 5 stars, as is Cyrus. WHF will occasionally be harsh though. The problem is because they hand out 4 and 5 stars so often, it's hard to differentiate what's actually deserving and what isn't. Salvatore mentioned that once upon a time, only one or two items might make Stereophile Class A. Now the page of Class A components is a mile long, and so the designation has lost all meaning. WHF has the same problem. Compared to the clowns at Hi-Fi+ though, the WHF crew seem like muckrakers.

http://www.whathifi.com/teufel/ultima-20-mk2/review

Speaking of Salvatore, his recommendations are only valid for products he didn't used to sell. You can pretty much write off everything he says about Coincident and Esoteric for example, but his recommendations on things like tonearms are bang on.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on July 03, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
NO HARM, NO FOUL
  • Steve Guttenberg sorta comes off as a clown. He writes for CNET. No harm.
  • Mercer is honestly passionate about the stuff. I get where he is coming from.
  • Fremer has done good things. The cartridge test get's him a get of out jail free card.
  • Macedonian Hero isn't deaf and certainly isn't a shill. The problem is that he is about two years behind everyone else, hasn't been exposed to a lot of different top notch stuff (he's in Canada on the East Coast and doesn't go to meets), and he gets super excited when he hears new stuff. He came off as extremely annoying in the past because he would crash HF appreciation threads pull off crap like T1 > PS1000; or T1 > HD800; or WA22 is awesome; so I think that stigma of extremely annoying guy stuck with him unfortunately. If you give him time to upgrade his gear and build a good setup, he eventually figures it out.
  • What Hi-Fi is a site for wankers. Part of the British Hi-Fi industrial-media complex. No product gets less than four stars and everything from Chord gets five.
  • Srajan Ebaen. Only moderately dangerous because he doesn't make any sense / no one knows what the fuck he is saying.
  • Skylab. People didn't know his preferences, which he never clearly stated. More than a few peeps on Changstar were stupid enough to buy the Leben CS300 piece of shit that Skylab rated #1 in his top 10 list (It was always top X lists, never descriptions of sound). Shit, I bought a Darth Bayer and LCD2r1. That was enough for me.
  • John Grandberg. I think he's local in the Bay Area, but I have never met him. Don't think he's ever shown up to meets. I have strong suspicions about him. Seems to have a lot of craptastic China gear and some higher-end OK items here and there. I know the Chinese MoTs will give people free or heavily discounted gear if you can assure them a positive review. I wonder about anyone who thinks the Yulong DA08 is a listenable DAC. On the other hand, I don't he has actually heard anything we would consider great sounding gear, so maybe he is totally earnest. In the end, too hard to read between the lines, but he does leave clues. To be fair, maybe just a different focus. Most Pyrates don't want a stack of mid-fi craptastic gear that costs slightly too much for what it is.
  • Headphonia is harmful. A lot of people don't realize that he sells shit in his store. There have been a couple of instances were comparative reviews on his site favored the shit that he sold. He's also said shit like the HD700 was awesome sauce that as was good as the STAX 'stats.  I dunno if that was Sennheiser obi-wan'ing him or he wanted to be obi-wan'd. Really makes no difference. At one time, he even said he would trade his HD800 for an HD700. Anaxilus tried to do the trade, but Headphonia backed out. It's sad because he started well out enough. Also, anyone who likes RSA Darkstar has shit for ears. Heck, even Warren publicly wrote on HF that the Darkstar was a POS, albeit a very powerful sounding POS.
  • Jude Mansilla is probably the most dangerous person to the hobby. Mainly because of the level of control that he has. He definitely plays favorites based on who is paying him or who might have the potential to pay him. You can sell a lot of stuff if you pay him enough and his the ring on his hand. Independents like us to have no room to run big meets because Jude now runs three or four big meets in California (after he realized that the meets we ran got bigger and bigger, and that there was a shitload of money to be made). The problem with the HF meets is that they are no longer meets. They are now tradeshows where normal people can't afford anything shown. You don't meet people with really fantastic sounding cheap or moderate priced rigs anymore. Warren tried to have featured hobbyists at the last CanJam, but it ended up like a stupid afterthought or joke.
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!

- Steve Guttenberg is CNET so he's in the audio biz and I understand that. I'm not expecting any fair review from CNET since I got a shit ton load of adware/unwanted plug-ins from that site.

- I dislike Macedonian Hero in particular (OK, he's the "one particular contributor on HF that I really, really dislike") . He gets on the hype train and he doesn't make valid arguments IMO. Most important of all, I feel he is so self-important that he thinks his experience counts all and doesn't seem to accept arguments.

- +65535 on Headphonia and WHF. Wankers and wannabes will get huge erections from them.

plus, 6moon is for amusement purpose only - that level of seriousness is really, really amusing

plus plus, you've forgot about amos - what he pulled about Dita the Answer absolutely destroyed my last bit of personal respect to him as an audiophille.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ohhgourami on July 03, 2015, 10:41:07 PM
I strongly dislike 24bit. I dislike him with extreme prejudice. He said the EF6 is the best amp for the HE-6 because it was made specifically for it. The guy has no mind of his own. I almost feel sorry for him.

Techpowerup and Tomshardware occasionally post headphone reviews. Please don't! Those amateurs don't know what they're listening to and only look at the price tag.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 03, 2015, 11:13:22 PM
Techpowerup and Tomshardware occasionally post headphone reviews. Please don't! Those amateurs don't know what they're listening to and only look at the price tag.

Yep. Toms has said that all DACs are the same, and the 57 cent Realtek chip on your motherboard is just as good as anything.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 03, 2015, 11:23:52 PM
Video that cracks me up every time I watch it: 

Best review of a headphone ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: spoony on July 04, 2015, 12:34:13 AM
and the 57 cent Realtek chip on your motherboard is just as good as anything
Most DAC chips are pretty cheap, you know?... It's not just about the DAC.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: elwappo99 on July 04, 2015, 12:40:29 AM
Video that cracks me up every time I watch it: 

Best review of a headphone ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ


Hands down my favorite headphone video ever. His face and expression just matched perfectly with that treble heat.

If you watch it enough, you can see him squirm in anticipation of the treble peaks coming up.

.......Yes I've watched it that many times.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Schopenhauer on July 04, 2015, 01:46:10 AM
24bit was recently called out in the comments on his review of the Flare R2A and R2Pro for trying to flip the review samples.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 04, 2015, 02:35:30 AM
Most DAC chips are pretty cheap, you know?... It's not just about the DAC.

Relatively cheap yes, not that cheap. Most top spec sigma delta chips run around $10.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: kothganesh on July 04, 2015, 03:38:29 AM
Anybody here understands what Srajan is trying to say?  ;D
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on July 04, 2015, 03:56:46 AM
Relatively cheap yes, not that cheap. Most top spec sigma delta chips run around $10.

IMO what we're paying for the most is the person(s)' knowledge of properly implementing the chip. And this goes also for the rest of audio gear.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: audiofrk on July 04, 2015, 04:00:34 AM
I donno headfonia wasn't that bad when Mike was around, they just cater to a certain audience back then though, they owned it.  Just when you read their reviews look out negative sentences and if its followed up by a paragraph of great things you know they have a glaring problem.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: miceblue on July 04, 2015, 07:26:58 AM
For me, Mike Mercer's reviews are what really bug me the most of all the reviewers out there. Sure, he's enthusiastic about stuff, but you can only take him so seriously, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE WRITES IN ALL CAPS ALL THE

TIME!!!!!!,

AND GRAMMERZ!

I don't like the photos he takes either. They're like ISO 9000 photos most of the time and they're always really grainy and have poor contrast. I think my Motorola RAZR flip phone from 2005 took as good of photos.



Jude's reviews seem pretty much like paid advertisements too, but at least he seems much more approachable. He seems like a really cool guy too and I'd like to meet him in-person one of these days like at CanJam@RMAF. Also, he takes some really nice product photos.



hifiguy528....I used to enjoy his YouTube videos early on, but then he was getting things for free left and right and I stopped taking him seriously.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: x838nwy on July 04, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
Anybody here understands what Srajan is trying to say?  ;D

I don't think even Srajan himself can make that claim. I've read better reviews google-translating Japanese articles.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: songmic on July 04, 2015, 02:59:01 PM
My two picks are Gutternberg and Mercer. Their threshold for what should be considered high-end audio is as abysmally low as it can get. I'm ashamed to admit that some of my early purchases were influenced by these guys, but after learning the lesson the hard way, here I am.

What can you tell me about these guys/gals? How reliable are their reviews?

- John Atkinson @ Stereophile
- Tyll Hertsen @ Innerfidelity
- Spritzer (Birgir) @ Mjolnir Audio
- MuppetFace (Romy)
- Warren P. Chi
- Anakchan (Sean)
- Currawong (Amos)

On a side note, I'm curious about what Anaxilus's real name is (all I know is that people call him Mike).
I believe purrin/purr1n/merv's was Marv Chen.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: x838nwy on July 04, 2015, 03:11:46 PM
My two picks are Gutternberg and Mercer. Their threshold for what should be considered high-end audio is as abysmally low as it can get. I'm ashamed to admit that some of my early purchases were influenced by these guys, but after learning the lesson the hard way, here I am.

What can you tell me about these guys/gals? How reliable are their reviews?

- John Atkinson @ Stereophile
- Tyll Hertsen @ Innerfidelity
- Spritzer (Birgir) @ Mjolnir Audio
- MuppetFace (Romy)
- Warren P. Chi
- Anakchan (Sean)
- Currawong (Amos)

On a side note, I'm curious about what Anaxilus's real name is (all I know is that people call him Mike).
I believe purrin/purr1n/merv's was Marv Chen.

Personally, I have a lot of time for Muppetface's opinions and advice and her writing is a treasure. She knows what she likes and she writes about music quite a bit which is a good sign.
Tyll from what I've read is a rarity with a gentlemanly respect for both manufacturers alike. Marv calls a spade a spade and that's why I'm here and although he's probably now bound by various factors i'm sure his honesty will not diminish. Others I really cannot comment as i've not paid too mugh attention to.

Btw, any opinin on John Darko? (DAR Digital audio review) seems quite a good read but i'm not familiar with a lot of the gear he reviews.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: audiofrk on July 04, 2015, 03:26:55 PM
Darkos reviews always read like an advertisement for Viagra.  "I was on the beach lost without my music before the ak120ii, now everything is different the world's opened up"
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 04, 2015, 04:52:11 PM
- John Atkinson @ Stereophile

- MuppetFace (Romy)


JA is definitely the most honest guy working at Stereophile. You're generally not going to find outright negativity from him, but you can get an idea of what he thinks is up to snuff and what isn't. When it comes to speakers for example, you can pretty much just skip over whatever the reviewer says, and jump straight to JA's measurements and impressions for the "real story."

I like Muppet, but she has some strange tastes in headphones. She's usually pretty forthcoming though about what she likes for her own reasons vs. what she thinks somebody else should buy. When it comes to vinyl, the girl knows her shit, even if we don't see entirely eye to eye (ahem, Rega).
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 04, 2015, 05:00:11 PM
Darko is a lot better than Lavorgna and Connaker, if far from perfect. He's usually pretty open to criticism at least, and doesn't just go silent like Chris.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: takato14 on July 04, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
hifiguy528 is only outclassed in his shilling by Jude and his idiot brother nomax.

MacedonianHero is a complete jackass, whom I am entirely convinced is fucking deaf.

Unfortunately I didn't know half the reviewers on the list, so I can't really comment further.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: anetode on July 04, 2015, 05:13:33 PM

What can you tell me about these guys/gals? How reliable are their reviews?

- John Atkinson @ Stereophile
- Tyll Hertsen @ Innerfidelity
- Spritzer (Birgir) @ Mjolnir Audio
- MuppetFace (Romy)
- Warren P. Chi
- Anakchan (Sean)
- Currawong (Amos)

Generally all of the above are good/useful if you are familiar with their respective tastes and/or editorial constraints.

Darko is a lot better than Lavorgna and Connaker, if far from perfect. He's usually pretty open to criticism at least, and doesn't just go silent like Chris.

Lavorgna is definitely on my shit list. Fremer at least has a wide knowledge base to draw from when writing for Analogplanet and Connaker is at least technically savvy. Lavorgna is... bleh
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: zerodeefex on July 04, 2015, 05:18:56 PM
Connaker is an idiot. He knows enough about computers to sound competent but not enough about electronics in general to make informed decisions about what he's recommending. He's the kind of reviewer who is incredibly dangerous.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: anetode on July 04, 2015, 05:28:33 PM
Connaker is an idiot. He knows enough about computers to sound competent but not enough about electronics in general to make informed decisions about what he's recommending. He's the kind of reviewer who is incredibly dangerous.

Hey, if you need advice for best audiophile hard drive and processor combo, where else are you gonna go other than CA?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: zerodeefex on July 04, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
Hey, if you need advice for best audiophile hard drive and processor combo, where else are you gonna go other than CA?


Every time I read this kind of shit from Connaker I want to punch him in the boy parts.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: audiofrk on July 04, 2015, 06:34:57 PM
ok so its not just me I tried reading his caps guide and some of the claims he makes are just  facepalm
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Anaxilus on July 04, 2015, 06:44:51 PM
ok so its not just me I tried reading his caps guide and some of the claims he makes are just  facepalm

I might regret asking this, but got a link to his caps guide?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: audiofrk on July 04, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/section/c-p-s-489/  good luck.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Anaxilus on July 04, 2015, 07:00:10 PM
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/section/c-p-s-489/  good luck.

Oh nvm, I thought you meant capacitors. Not CAPS in CAPS.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 04, 2015, 07:48:59 PM
Don't you guys think whathifi is the most dangerous? Because they give 4 or 5 stars to all kinds of less than stellar gears. Wasting innocent buyers money
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Marvey on July 04, 2015, 08:31:06 PM
Added Michael Lavorgna to the poll. Votes can be revised at any time.

Looks like Jude is in the lead.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 04, 2015, 10:24:56 PM
Ken Rockwell as per this quote:   :spank:

Quote (selected)
If a DAC has any sort of sonic coloration, it's broken. This DAC is fine.

Looks like plenty of broken dacs according to him including the MSB or any tube dacs.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/musical-fidelity/v90-dac.htm
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 04, 2015, 10:28:34 PM
Seems NSFW, Are they a audio review site or some kind of porn mag?
http://www.stereomojo.com/


Sound science anyone?  :spank: :spank:
http://www.stereomojo.com/Bybee%20Technologies%20Quantum%20Signal%20Enhancer%20Review/BybeeTechnologiesQuantumSignalEnhancer.htm
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on July 04, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
Merv: Add TAS?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 05, 2015, 12:10:50 AM
Seems NSFW, Are they a audio review site or some kind of porn mag?
http://www.stereomojo.com/

Yeah I have no idea what's going on there with the underwear models and horrible design. They also update like once a month at most. Review wise they're somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Jeff Y on July 05, 2015, 02:19:06 AM
Latest review on parttimeaudiophile.com: http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2015/07/04/review-beyerdynamic-t-1-headphone/
=  :vomit:
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Kunlun on July 05, 2015, 02:32:39 AM
Did you guys know John Grandberg /project86 was an underwear model?



Well, at least I'm trying to have John Grandberg's name harmlessly associated with underwear. Hey, everybody needs a secondary hobby...
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Schopenhauer on July 05, 2015, 03:01:04 AM
Latest review on parttimeaudiophile.com: http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2015/07/04/review-beyerdynamic-t-1-headphone/
=  :vomit:
The T1 was more important than anything by Audeze or HiFiMAN?  facepalm His reasoning for the claim is worse than what I'm used to getting from my intro students. Many of the reasons he adduces are bad not only in the sense that they don't establish the truth of his claim, but also in the sense of being bad things, i.e. bad states of affairs that should be lamented with tears and sackcloth rather than enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Jeff Y on July 05, 2015, 03:30:33 AM
The T1 was more important than anything by Audeze or HiFiMAN?  facepalm His reasoning for the claim is worse than what I'm used to getting from my intro students. Many of the reasons he adduces are bad not only in the sense that they don't establish the truth of his claim, but also in the sense of being bad things, i.e. bad states of affairs that should be lamented with tears and sackcloth rather than enthusiasm.
Speaking of which, it's very challenging to find a review that is not positive about the T1, let alone talk of it as if it's a big mile stone of headphones. :(
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 05, 2015, 04:08:01 AM
He is a good reviewer, but his gears seems mid-fi at best.

http://www.lachlanlikesathing.com/
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 05, 2015, 05:51:40 AM
Another site that I like is this one. I don't always agree, but his recommendations are usually at least somewhat accurate. Another slow updater though. He instantly won my respect for actually opening up the case on a Shunyata Hydra and showing what an absurdly overpriced bullshit product it is.

"I investigated the “7-element Venom filter”, and it appeared that the filter elements consisted of one Littlefuse TMOV20R130E Metal-Oxide Varistor and one noise suppression capacitor across each duplex AC receptacle. The varistor is the part that provides surge and spike protection. The capacitor across the IEC receptacle was present in one of my Hydra 4s but not in the other. It carried the following designation which I could neither cross reference nor identify the part number: IF 20T130E; IEC384-14II; 40/100/56Y2. Maker: Okaya. Okaya was contacted for part ID help, but all they could say was that it was some kind of noise suppression capacitor. Since this part was present in one of my Hydra 4s but not in the other one, I did not worry about an exact match. There were also Okaya noise suppression capacitors on each AC outlet (the black rectangular blocks in the images), which cross referenced to Vishay/Roederstein part number F17104101000. These were installed with one lead attached to the AC outlet "hot", and the other lead was connected to "neutral".

In summary, the “7-element Venom filter” was a varistor and three (or two) noise suppression capacitors. If we include the AC outlets and circuit breaker, we arrive at a parts count of 7.

http://10audio.com/reviews.htm
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Schopenhauer on July 05, 2015, 07:19:48 AM
Speaking of which, it's very challenging to find a review that is not positive about the T1, let alone talk of it as if it's a big mile stone of headphones. :(
Hence the need for Changstar.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Solderdude on July 05, 2015, 07:56:50 AM
I take ALL reviews with grains of salt, by anyone.
At best, when I encounter a few 'positive' reviews, it may peak my interest to 'demo' them if I can.
Will never buy anthing 'expensive' based on what this or that person says.
Even when you are familiar with the reviewers 'ears' and usually concur with what they 'hear' it still isn't a guarantee you will hear it the same.

There is NO substitute for listening to something YOURSELF with music you are 'familiar' with, preferably on your OWN equipment with enough time to do so.

In short: I don't give a flying .... WHO says WHAT about WHICH product and learned to NEVER rely on any review/measurement.
This greatly reduces the 'regrets' one can have when buying something based on what any 'guru' says.

Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on July 05, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
He is a good reviewer, but his gears seems mid-fi at best.

http://www.lachlanlikesathing.com/

So what? He is honest about his preferences and like Tyll so you do not have to ask "why?" but rather "what is the audio set-up?"

His efforts to create informative and balanced content are admirable.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Artasia on July 05, 2015, 08:56:25 AM
I take ALL reviews with

I agree with most of what you said, but the problem is that it is too simple of a conclusion. Full-proof against invasion, invulnerable to deceit--yes. But overly simple in the sense that not everyone lives in the Bay Area, NYC, Chicago, and so on, to hear gear first-hand. Some pirates must drive, in some cases hundreds of miles, to audition,  so that means just sitting with current sub-par gear in many cases, because that is all we know.

 For me, that is why I appreciate sites like these. I fully agree that nothing can replace direct experience of gear, preferably over a decent period of time, and that this invariably takes priority over reviews.

It is interestingly quite tricky, though, when you find long-time owners of gear post their impressions (maybe take the T1 as example), only to be disregarded or critiqued, often on the basis that said-owners haven't experienced anything else or the gear necessary to expose the putative flaws of the gear they have experienced and that they claim to love. Experience means jack-shit in this case; it is rather the lack of experience that crucified their credibility and the viability of their impressions. The lack of experience is just as meaningful as the experience; since experience of all gear is impossible, we must depend on others in some cases.

In his evaluation of Macedonian Hero, Purrin notably expressed the suspicion that it was the lack of experience that rendered his reviews less reliable and that he needs time to catch up. I know nothing about MH other than that he tends to defend Audeze at every chance he can, but the principle still stands here.

This tricky reality implies to me that individualistic, private experience of gear in my own little bubble may benefit from looking outside of that bubble, but in the absence of opportunities to audition gear, I depend on the shared impressions of others to help me out. This is again why many people are so angry about shill reviewers, myself especially included.

But in all cases, nothing (you are right) may replace extended, empirical experience  :boom:
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Priidik on July 05, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
not everyone lives in the Bay Area, NYC, Chicago, and so on, to hear gear first-hand.

+1

There is NO substitute for listening to something YOURSELF with music you are 'familiar' with

+10
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 05, 2015, 11:29:42 AM
So what? He is honest about his preferences and like Tyll so you do not have to ask "why?" but rather "what is the audio set-up?"

His efforts to create informative and balanced content are admirable.

I am guessing he is using Geek pulse or ODAC/O2 and other DAP for reviewing the headphones(he didn't list the gear in his chain).

I feel that if he had access to even higher end gear, his review would have given us even more information about the headphone's full potential that is not limited/weakened/affected by his mid level gear, if the headphone he is reviewing is a very capable one.


Take for example, in this review, Dan used his higher grade MSB Analog Dac and his Audio-gd Master9, but he also paired the headphone to mid-tier dacs like the oppo HA-1

http://headmania.org/2015/06/28/oppo-pm-2-headphones-review/

TLDR: More equipment grade allows the reviewer to access the gear's performance better.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on July 05, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
I am guessing he is using Geek pulse or ODAC/O2 and other DAP for reviewing the headphones(he didn't list the gear in his chain).

I feel that if he had access to even higher end gear, his review would have given us even more information about the headphone's full potential that is not limited/weakened/affected by his mid level gear, if the headphone he is reviewing is a very capable one.


Take for example, in this review, Dan used his higher grade MSB Analog Dac and his Audio-gd Master9, but he also paired the headphone to mid-tier dacs like the oppo HA-1

http://headmania.org/2015/06/28/oppo-pm-2-headphones-review/

TLDR: More equipment grade allows the reviewer to access the gear's performance better.

Agreed. Regarding his current content and "reviews" my view is simple. His platform is called "Lachnan likes a thing" and the verb "likes" literally applies to his content. No pretensions, an informative opinion from a personal experience.

Lachlan "likes" and informs or dislikes and informs. I appreciate what he does.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: lmswjm on July 05, 2015, 12:56:34 PM
What about Frank I, Headphone Guru?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on July 05, 2015, 01:09:36 PM
What about Frank I, Headphone Guru?


 walk the plank2 


Nothing more to add.


Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: spoony on July 05, 2015, 05:05:18 PM
Lachlan "likes" and informs or dislikes and informs. I appreciate what he does.

Agreed, I hadn't watched his reviews until now and found his impressions accurate and devoid of hype or overly passionate stuff. Sometimes you just need the basics covered to decide whether or not a piece of gear is worth a try.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: lm4der on July 05, 2015, 06:01:18 PM
What did people think of David Mahler's "Battle of the Flagships" write-up?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Priidik on July 05, 2015, 06:09:35 PM
What did people think of David Mahler's "Battle of the Flagships" write-up?
A load of work and pretty impressive effort, imo.
Also not too scheiBe upstream gear.
The HP-s that i have heard from his list match my thoughts pretty well with some misses.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on July 05, 2015, 06:11:02 PM
What did people think of David Mahler's "Battle of the Flagships" write-up?

I still read it very often and still find it's a great write up although I think this guy was crazy.   Heard/owned a bunch of the headphones he reviewed and I often correlate what he wrote with my own impressions. I sometimes disagree though ( HE400 , T1 for example) .  Agree or not that's not shitty blablablabla imo.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: GoldfishX on July 06, 2015, 01:45:16 AM
I like the Mahler piece more for the history of the headphones than for the impressions. I think a lot of people read it and forget about the source: It's a warm-leaning $40,000 DAC (w transport) and about $2500 worth of interconnects. That, and his choice of amps is strange. I don't know anyone else who has given impressions on the Manley 300B preamp (though I bet it sounds quite nice), the Millett/TTVJ 307A amp/Pinnacle (again, I bet it sounds quite nice, but @ $10,000, I'm not about to find out anytime soon) and he's been one of the only people I've seen give praise to the Phonitor.

That said, people should learn from him and openly prepare to discuss the shortcomings of the gear they review. At no point did I feel like he was shilling for anyone (although I had a slight suspicion on the Ultrasone stuff...he was way too nice to the Edition 10).
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Armaegis on July 06, 2015, 02:50:55 AM
Mahler's giant review is valuable as a comparison piece in its entirety. The individual components should not be taken as absolutes on their own.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DrForBin on July 06, 2015, 02:59:09 AM
hello,

Mr. Mahler's survey just makes me sad that i am poor.  :'(
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on July 06, 2015, 06:34:54 AM
I think Mahler's gigantic comparison is highly valuable for several reasons:

1. He seems to be economically strong enough that he doesn't appear to be thinking price=quality (i.e. W3000, Qualia). Therefore I think he can make a good judgement on an absolute scale.

2. The comparison covers quite a lot of headphone history of the recent 15-20 years.

3. He substaintially tells where he came from.

4. He doesn't claim absolute shit nor drives any hype.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Marvey on July 06, 2015, 07:03:38 AM
Mahler's comparison was very good. The Manley 300B preamp is actually a good headphone amp.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on July 06, 2015, 07:06:01 AM
I think Mahler's gigantic comparison is highly valuable for several reasons:

1. He seems to be economically strong enough that he doesn't appear to be thinking price=quality (i.e. W3000, Qualia). Therefore I think he can make a good judgement on an absolute scale.

2. The comparison covers quite a lot of headphone history of the recent 15-20 years.

3. He substaintially tells where he came from.

4. He doesn't claim absolute shit nor drives any hype.

+1 exacty.

Seriously , I bought some headphones only to check if that dude told the truth.... and he was right.   Great piece of work.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: OJneg on July 06, 2015, 07:12:58 AM
Mahler's comparisons is one of my favorite posts on HF
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: kothganesh on July 06, 2015, 07:17:50 AM
Mahler was also a great guy to interact with via PMs. He always answered my questions to a level of detail that I wanted, especially on the TH 900 (which I sold right after 1 such PM).
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on July 06, 2015, 07:21:26 AM
instead of the worst reviewer, we should better open a leaderboard for best reviews/reviewers and websites... that should be more useful .. a kind of "CS seal of approval"
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: kothganesh on July 06, 2015, 07:39:50 AM
Sorro, IMO I think we need both. For example, when I first read Mercer, I was like wow ! Then when more of his reviews had the same tone, I then went OooKkkk... :)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 06, 2015, 08:05:18 AM
Mahler's comparisons is one of my favorite posts on HF

The other being |joker| with his massive iem rating thread
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Claritas on July 06, 2015, 08:12:41 AM
What did people think of David Mahler's "Battle of the Flagships" write-up?

A useful digest of conventional wisdom for new people who very much need a dose of conventional wisdom. Somewhat useful as quick reference for miscellania about different production versions if you're becoming a collector.

Unfortunately, I can't disassociate him from his other thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/559542/i-truly-believe-these-are-one-of-the-best-classical-music-headphones-ive-ever-heard (http://www.head-fi.org/t/559542/i-truly-believe-these-are-one-of-the-best-classical-music-headphones-ive-ever-heard). I used to answer every thread in the intro forum asking about "best headphone for classical" and that one came up too often. "What about DT660?!" "But DavidMahler said . . ." Fuck this shit!
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: n3rdling on July 06, 2015, 08:22:17 AM
The Mahler thing is largely a regurgitation of the info/impressions I gave him of high end HPs through tons of PMs over the course of maybe half a year. 

I don't trust stereophile, 6moons, etc whatsoever and will only go to one of those sites if I'm trying to find out something specific about the gear (year it came out, etc) or to see measurements.  That pretty much leaves forum reviews...

I like forums reviews much more than professional reviews, but I either don't trust or don't agree with a large portion of users.  I don't trust people that give their input on everything, because they usually fall into 1 of 2 categories:
1. People that write long reviews of lots of gear.  Usually seen on HF.  There are a couple of genuine reviewers, but most seem more interested in building up a name for themselves or getting free shit for positive feedback.
2. People that comment on every piece of gear.  Seen on every forum.  These are usually people that go to lots of meets or have a local Hifi store and get to listen to things for 30 seconds in noisy conditions, oftentimes with other variables in the chain they're not extremely familiar with.  Very misleading and it shows in the inaccuracy of their impressions.

Removing more people from the list, I also don't trust people that listen with their eyes.  There are so many people that, I think, already know what buzzwords they're gonna use before they even listen to a piece of gear.  That could be subconscious, I'm not sure.  Are there tubes?  Talk about warmth.  Solid state?  Say it's harsh.  Does it measure very well?  Say something about it being 'sterile'.  Is there wood involved? Mention it sounding 'organic'.  This goes on and on.  I've even noticed what seems to be a pretty high correlation in terms used depending on the color of the gear (copper colors > silver, manufacturers).

What remains are the people whose impressions I can trust, however even lots of these people are missing something I find important: experience.  The two components that make up experience are quality time spent with very high quality gear and quality time spent with a breadth of different gear.  Going to meets is a great way to get experience, but it doesn't compare with actually having that piece of gear in your home and in your system, thus I wouldn't classify it as quality time. 
The importance of having quality time with very high quality gear is that it raises the bar for what you know is possible with a headphone system.  A person who has only owned Audeze and Grados won't know what an expansive soundstage is, but they probably think they're hearing it...until they upgrade to a T1 and then they're hearing what they consider an expansive soundstage...until they upgrade to a HD800 and then they're hearing what actually is an expansive soundstage for HPs.  Despite this, they were arguing with the HD800 owners about their Audeze and Grados having a nice soundstage (because they're coming from iBuds) at the beginning until they actually know better.  Basically, think MacedonianHero.  Now apply this to every aspect of sound reproduction and couple it with the constantly revolving door of HF noobs and you probably start to see why this is a problem.
The importance of having quality time spent with lots of different gear is that it gives you the ability to rank and sort the different aspects of sound signature for all the gear you've had said high quality time with. 

What's this all mean?  I generally find myself agreeing most with the people that own/have owned/have borrowed lots of different high quality gear in their own home and in their own system.  purk, muppetface, anetode, radio_head, prepro, marv, spritzer, mahler, etc etc etc.  Just giving examples, not trying to name drop. 

Everybody has biases that you learn to read and acclimate to, and once you do I find you can get some very reliable info.



Extra protip: Generally, if the review rambles on and on, they're probably making a lot of shit up in their mind.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on July 06, 2015, 08:52:48 AM
Great post N3rdling  popcorn .
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Solderdude on July 06, 2015, 09:14:26 AM
What about the famous headphone reviewer ... Dale Thorn ?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on July 06, 2015, 09:44:25 AM
What about the famous headphone reviewer ... Dale Thorn ?

His DT48-bias is an issue for me. He is a midrange lover like me but the grains of salt are large with him...
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: SomeSpace on July 06, 2015, 11:48:32 AM
These guys seem to have got the EL-8 more than most, which is a breath of fresh air considering what garbage it is, they don't seem to hold back from being brutal a lot of products actually.  like their pictures as well.

http://www.inearspace.com/#!Audeze-EL8-The-Audeze-For-the-Masses/c112t/5536450f0cf23d01643ce583
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: sfoclt on July 06, 2015, 02:05:25 PM
Removing more people from the list, I also don't trust people that listen with their eyes.  There are so many people that, I think, already know what buzzwords they're gonna use before they even listen to a piece of gear.  That could be subconscious, I'm not sure.  Are there tubes?  Talk about warmth.  Solid state?  Say it's harsh.  Does it measure very well?  Say something about it being 'sterile'.  Is there wood involved? Mention it sounding 'organic'.  This goes on and on.  I've even noticed what seems to be a pretty high correlation in terms used depending on the color of the gear (copper colors > silver, manufacturers).

"The perceptual ambiguity of wine helps explain why contextual influences—say, the look of a label, or the price tag on the bottle—can profoundly influence expert judgment. This was nicely demonstrated in a mischievous 2001 experiment led by Frédéric Brochet at the University of Bordeaux. In one test, Brochet included fifty-four4 wine experts and asked them to give their impressions of what looked like two glasses of red and white wine. The wines were actually the same white wine, one of which had been tinted red with food coloring. But that didn’t stop the experts from describing the “red” wine in language typically used to describe red wines. One expert said that it was “jammy,”5 while another enjoyed its “crushed red fruit.”

Another test that Brochet conducted was even more damning. He took a middling Bordeaux and served it in two different bottles. One bottle bore the label of a fancy grand cru, the other of an ordinary vin de table. Although they were being served the exact same wine, the experts gave the bottles nearly opposite descriptions. The grand cru was summarized as being “agreeable,” “woody,” “complex,” “balanced,” and “rounded,” while the most popular adjectives for the vin de table included “weak,” “short,” “light,” “flat,” and “faulty.”"

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/frontal-cortex/does-all-wine-taste-the-same


Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: GoldfishX on July 06, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
Extra protip: Generally, if the review rambles on and on, they're probably making a lot of shit up in their mind.

That, or they just want everyone to know what you are listening to. :p
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: imac2much on July 06, 2015, 03:49:53 PM
Headfonia has been one of the most dangerous sites for me since I started this hobby, since they occasionally have enough criticism that I think they are being objective, but at the end of the day that's not always the case.  At least they have the guts to do some comparisons from time to time though.

I think headphone.guru and 6moons are the biggest jokes for me.  I sometimes read over 1000 words in a review and feel like I learned nothing about the actual piece of gear.  6moon is hard to take seriously to begin with, but I actually was introduced to this hobby by googling MLE's gaming thread on head-fi; so when he started doing reviews on guru, I naturally took a peak at their other reviews.  Their overall lack of criticism and comparisons really drives me batty (see their recent Ether review).

I don't know about 24bit and his Flare IEM thing, but I appreciate headfonics for their boldness to be critical when most other sites aren't.  24bit is pretty clear and up-front about his preferences (he doesn't like clerical, analytical sound signatures and instead prefers warmer headphones with good bass impact) and that's why he doesn't like many otherwise popular headphones.  I never get the sense that he's shilling for views or free goods, but maybe that's just me.

I'm always interested to find trustworthy review sites though... inearspace seems quite interesting.  I am currently looking for an upgrade over my 400i to pair with my new HA-1, and I had been considering the PM-2.  Almost every review site gave it glowing reviews, yet when I actually spoke with owners via PM (forgive the wordplay), most of them were less appreciative of the cans, especially in the treble region.  It's refreshing to see that inearspace gives the PM-2 an equally honest review.  Guess I need to continue my search for 400i successor, hah!
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: lm4der on July 06, 2015, 04:05:46 PM
The Mahler thing is largely a regurgitation of the info/impressions I gave him of high end HPs through tons of PMs over the course of maybe half a year. 

Just take a moment to reread that bit above, there's little room for ambiguity in interpreting that statement.

Because this is certainly news. Mahler's "Battle of the Flagships" piece is actually just him repeating _your_ impressions, not his own? He was certainly very clear about representing that as his own experience and expertise, based on having owned and having spent at least 50 hours of listening with each HP, and was very clear about stating things from the perspective of his own ears and listening. And so you're saying that's not true.  He's just regurgitating the impressions you gave him.

Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Azteca X on July 06, 2015, 04:29:09 PM
Yeah, I'd say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Screenshots.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: OJneg on July 06, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
The Mahler thing is largely a regurgitation of the info/impressions I gave him of high end HPs through tons of PMs over the course of maybe half a year.

How do you mean exactly? Are you saying his impressions/reviews aren't original? He's the one with all the gear, no?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: HideousPride on July 06, 2015, 05:22:49 PM
I think Anax is my favorite reviewer in terms of telling me whether something is good or crap. I like a lot of the same gear he does, so from a personal perspective his is probably the most similar to my tastes.

Muppetface, Anakchan, and Lachlan are reviewers that don't always share my taste in music/sonic preferences, but provide their own definitive point of view as to why a product is good or bad. I generally can't suffer through long reviews, but they definitely make it informative and entertaining.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on July 06, 2015, 05:43:05 PM
The Mahler thing is largely a regurgitation of the info/impressions I gave him of high end HPs through tons of PMs over the course of maybe half a year. 


N3erdling, this is definitely no small statement. You've gotta to clarify this. Do you mean that comparison has little to non originality, or do you mean it actually includes your thoughts but you chose to remain anonymous/Mahler failed to credit you?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Marvey on July 06, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
I'm sure Mahler used a lot of resources. No different than us bouncing ideas off each other.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Tari on July 06, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Shameless repost:


Who to trust?

When I first entered the hobby, it was anyone with a higher post count and more expensive gear who would bother answering unsolicited private messages.  Especially if they didn't talk down to me like they were delivering wisdom from the mountaintop.

Then it was "reviewers" that had followings - megathreads that reached tens or hundreds of pages.  They tended to have splashy features on forum home pages and had numbered rankings.  When they switched something to #1, it instantly made the manufacturer of that product thousands of dollars.  They were big for a reason, right?

Then it was the counter movement to these cults of personality.  Anything the wonderbread mainstream guys like was actually junk.  Try the stuff no one's heard, its so much better.

Then it was those who eschewed "I like this better" reviews altogether.  They were more obsessed with measurements than Miss America contestants and wanted to see teardown pics before products were even built.

Then it was those with similar interests to mine.  Mention an artist I'm into, make an in-joke about the Hitchhiker's Guide, connect with me on a personal level and make me feel reviewer and reader have a connection.

Then it was those who had a combination of the previous elements I had looked for: experience, cachet, a bit of a cult built about themselves but they put themselves down enough to make me think it was all just in fun, who embraced measurements without making a shrine to them, and were fun to talk to.

Then it was just myself that I trusted.

Then I realized I couldn't trust myself.

Thus chastened, I came back onto the forums a humbler man.  Who was I not to trust others if I was not worthy of trust myself?  Heck, I'd trust anyone with a higher post count and more expensive gear who would bother answering unsolicited private messages...
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Anaxilus on July 06, 2015, 06:00:24 PM
I love ljokerl reviews. He has so many data points and does the best, most consistent job of balancing empirical qualities versus what various subjective tastes might prefer. Reminds me I haven't talked to him in ages and need to send a shout out.

I actually stuck up for Mahler's impressions when that came out over there. I thought it was perfectly adequate and beneficial within the context and audience he was trying to address. I think people gave him a lot of flak because they presumed he was offering a definitive universal piece. He wasn't.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Anaxilus on July 06, 2015, 06:03:27 PM
Shameless repost:

That explains the Grados. :D
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: frenchbat on July 06, 2015, 08:01:14 PM
With a few exceptions, I tend to trust only the people I've met and got along with IRL, Anakchan, Nathan from Headfonia (though he has a tendency to gloss everything with some lego powder), MKubota, among others. Exceptions are for some guys here with whom I know I share views in one way or another, Anax and Marv, Sorro. 
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on July 06, 2015, 08:09:17 PM
I love ljokerl reviews.

Oh Yeah. His work deserves a lot of praise.

@Tari : Sooooooo true :)  .. In fact, I trust more some people or there than myself LOL !
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ultrabike on July 06, 2015, 09:31:07 PM
What about the famous headphone reviewer ... Dale Thorn ?

He's creppy.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: anetode on July 06, 2015, 09:37:32 PM
What about the famous headphone reviewer ... Dale Thorn ?

The second shooter on the grassy knoll? I don't trust him, his account is nothing but a front for the military industrial complex  p:/
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on July 06, 2015, 10:10:13 PM
The second shooter on the grassy knoll? I don't trust him, his account is nothing but a front for the military industrial complex  p:/

It is called "Patriot Park" in Russia. Disney has nothing on this one...

(http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA2LzE5L2JiL0ZFVl81ODI4Ljk2OGVmLmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/30dab262/95b/FEV_5828.jpg)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ultrabike on July 06, 2015, 10:12:51 PM
The Mahler thing is largely a regurgitation of the info/impressions I gave him of high end HPs through tons of PMs over the course of maybe half a year. 

I don't trust stereophile, 6moons, etc whatsoever and will only go to one of those sites if I'm trying to find out something specific about the gear (year it came out, etc) or to see measurements.  That pretty much leaves forum reviews...

I like forums reviews much more than professional reviews, but I either don't trust or don't agree with a large portion of users.  I don't trust people that give their input on everything, because they usually fall into 1 of 2 categories:
1. People that write long reviews of lots of gear.  Usually seen on HF.  There are a couple of genuine reviewers, but most seem more interested in building up a name for themselves or getting free shit for positive feedback.
2. People that comment on every piece of gear.  Seen on every forum.  These are usually people that go to lots of meets or have a local Hifi store and get to listen to things for 30 seconds in noisy conditions, oftentimes with other variables in the chain they're not extremely familiar with.  Very misleading and it shows in the inaccuracy of their impressions.

Removing more people from the list, I also don't trust people that listen with their eyes.  There are so many people that, I think, already know what buzzwords they're gonna use before they even listen to a piece of gear.  That could be subconscious, I'm not sure.  Are there tubes?  Talk about warmth.  Solid state?  Say it's harsh.  Does it measure very well?  Say something about it being 'sterile'.  Is there wood involved? Mention it sounding 'organic'.  This goes on and on.  I've even noticed what seems to be a pretty high correlation in terms used depending on the color of the gear (copper colors > silver, manufacturers).

What remains are the people whose impressions I can trust, however even lots of these people are missing something I find important: experience.  The two components that make up experience are quality time spent with very high quality gear and quality time spent with a breadth of different gear.  Going to meets is a great way to get experience, but it doesn't compare with actually having that piece of gear in your home and in your system, thus I wouldn't classify it as quality time. 
The importance of having quality time with very high quality gear is that it raises the bar for what you know is possible with a headphone system.  A person who has only owned Audeze and Grados won't know what an expansive soundstage is, but they probably think they're hearing it...until they upgrade to a T1 and then they're hearing what they consider an expansive soundstage...until they upgrade to a HD800 and then they're hearing what actually is an expansive soundstage for HPs.  Despite this, they were arguing with the HD800 owners about their Audeze and Grados having a nice soundstage (because they're coming from iBuds) at the beginning until they actually know better.  Basically, think MacedonianHero.  Now apply this to every aspect of sound reproduction and couple it with the constantly revolving door of HF noobs and you probably start to see why this is a problem.
The importance of having quality time spent with lots of different gear is that it gives you the ability to rank and sort the different aspects of sound signature for all the gear you've had said high quality time with. 

What's this all mean?  I generally find myself agreeing most with the people that own/have owned/have borrowed lots of different high quality gear in their own home and in their own system.  purk, muppetface, anetode, radio_head, prepro, marv, spritzer, mahler, etc etc etc.  Just giving examples, not trying to name drop. 

Everybody has biases that you learn to read and acclimate to, and once you do I find you can get some very reliable info.



Extra protip: Generally, if the review rambles on and on, they're probably making a lot of shit up in their mind.

Milos, I think I see where you are comming from. If one convinces oneself that an 009 or an 007 + KG super amps are The Benchmark, then a reviewer that has burned his ears to those references, would proly have more credibility in the eyes of someone that agrees with such a benchmark (note Stax products & KG "not-products" don't seem to sound the same though... at least the Stax ones don't - have no ample experiense with KG wires with gain). This is to some extent evident.

Problem is, are those limited options indeed The Benchmark for a quality setup?

I personally don't think so.

Also, do I agree with u in considering Preproman a credible reviewer?

Nope.

Am I right in my own beliefs?

Dunno. Who cares. I'm just a Mexican Ewok.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: anetode on July 06, 2015, 10:21:18 PM
It is called "Patriot Park" in Russia. Disney has nothing on this one...

Back in Odessa there was a wooded area filled with the detritus of WWII, including several tanks. I climbed on one as a kid, only to find that the local homeless comrades had converted it into a giant metal toilet (a septic tank, if you will).
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: n3rdling on July 06, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
The Mahler thing isn't important and I'm not trying to claim credit for anything.  I get a little upset whenever I see that name for a specific reason, so it was more of a jab than anything.  People who have been around a while probably kinda know what I'm talking about.  He put a ton of work into that thread and deserves every bit of lmader's adulation.

To be more clear: Do you ever get PMs from random people who ask for impressions/info?  For whatever reason I tend to get (or used to, when I posted more) those PMs with some frequency, usually about electrostats.  I'm sure Marv has received more DAC-related PMs than anybody would ever care to answer.  I don't mind though.  I actually much prefer giving impressions of gear through PM or email; I don't have to worry about hurting people's feelings or entering a fanboy warzone.  I can be much more open and honest.  If I could post like that in public I'd probably still post a lot.

I went back and checked one of the PM exchange threads I had with him and over the course of ~2 months there were over 11,000 words typed between the two of us, generally him asking me my thoughts on HPs or asking for info about specific HPs/amps.  That's 1 PM thread, and not including all the public posts directed toward him I made during that time.  This was before he ever owned an electrostat or had many of the high end dynamics in the review.  Reading that thread for the first time I did notice a high correlation between our rankings, as well as info and impressions I made of the high end headphones reviewed.  If I genuinely thought he was just some copy cat imposter, I wouldn't have mentioned him as having trustworthy ears.

That could be a total coincidence, and even if it's not I really don't care.  Again, that comment was more a jab in passing and not meant to redirect the thread. 


On that note, and actually related to the thread: I do think the best way to get honest impressions is via PM/email/IRC/in person, by far.  There's way less tip-toeing involved and people cut straight to the chase.  You guys should come on the changstar IRC some time - it's a refreshing approach to the community.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: 1melomaniac on July 06, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
This dude. I read a review from him some time ago that was informative but pretty funny. I had forgotten about him, but thanks for bringing him back to our attention.

erm, really? his homepage at http://noaudiophile.com/index.php (http://noaudiophile.com/index.php) announces:

"Headphones suck, and why: A dissertation on the folly of ear cans"

LOL  popcorn
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: maverickronin on July 06, 2015, 11:33:11 PM
erm, really? his homepage at http://noaudiophile.com/index.php (http://noaudiophile.com/index.php) announces:

"Headphones suck, and why: A dissertation on the folly of ear cans"

LOL  popcorn

Been waiting for that one considering the rest of his article are funny, useful, and informative.  I wonder WTF he's going to say?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 07, 2015, 12:43:49 AM
I think we should be REALLY careful of reviewers who gloss over serious glaring issues with the equipment or try their best to deflect the issue away.

This is how Michael Piskor(24bit), Headfonics flips issues around.
Quote (selected)
Treble

It seems a great deal of enthusiasts seriously dislike the top end of this headphone…and I can absolutely understand why: it is muffled, reserved and extremely slow.  However, it offers a bite and brightness to it that reminds me a lot of the Stax 007 in the manner that electrostatic served up its top end.  It is musical and I enjoy the brightness because it lacks hiss and snap, which is a rare combination with treble experiences in general in the headphone world.  Yes, it feels oddly setup, perhaps even lacking in engaging qualities, but you can easily get past that when you realize the treble offered is of a solid substance and weighted tonality type.  Odd, but satisfying.

http://headfonics.com/2015/06/the-mdr-z7-by-sony/2/
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ohhgourami on July 07, 2015, 01:35:53 AM
I think we should be REALLY careful of reviewers who gloss over serious glaring issues with the equipment or try their best to deflect the issue away.

This is how Michael Piskor(24bit), Headfonics flips issues around.

What the hell does he even mean in that quote?

"I hate treble and these cans barely have any so I like them. I'm afraid to say they don't have any because that would lose sales"
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: OJneg on July 07, 2015, 02:54:28 AM
Been waiting for that one considering the rest of his article are funny, useful, and informative.  I wonder WTF he's going to say?

I know the guy more personally. He just likes the smoother sound that a good tweeter will give you. FR/tone focused in terms of his listening priorities. And given most headphones do have treble irregularities it makes sense. FWIW he asked me a while back to recommend a TOTL headphone and I told him to try the LCD2. Go ahead and laugh. I knew he wouldn't have lasted more than 10s with the HD800 and I figured he would at least appreciate the solid bass that the Audezes provide (this was pre-Fazer) coming from speakers. He returned it for nebulous reasons that he didn't describe well to me.
 
I think we should be REALLY careful of reviewers who gloss over serious glaring issues with the equipment or try their best to deflect the issue away.

This is how Michael Piskor(24bit), Headfonics flips issues around.

Michael is an interesting guy. We've butt heads on reddit before (still do). I think his listening priorities and references are all off. The fact that he considers something like the JH16 a reference sound is a big red flag to my sensibilities. His dislike for a lot of headphones stems from his need for a "musical tone". Something like the HD800 or even an SR009 would be way too accurate ahem "cold and analytical"  ;) to him. I still haven't found a headphone that to him would be too "musical".  But all in all I don't think he has bad ears. For example, he noticed in his Ether review how it has frighteningly similar FR to the HD800 (something that Anax and I had a chuckle over at CanJam). And I've never seen him call a headphone something it wasn't (although I disagree with a lot of his wording). He's on target with his sonic impressions, the only issue is that his target is way off to the "musical" side.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on July 07, 2015, 05:44:10 AM
Been waiting for that one considering the rest of his article are funny, useful, and informative.  I wonder WTF he's going to say?

Yeah I'm curious as well. I just wonder if he's ever had exposure to well amped, truly HQ cans. If I had only ever heard high priced Grados, an HD800 on the wrong setup, the T1, and the ED10, I would probably say that high-end cans sound like shit. Many of them obviously do.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: maverickronin on July 07, 2015, 01:54:49 PM
I know the guy more personally. He just likes the smoother sound that a good tweeter will give you. FR/tone focused in terms of his listening priorities. And given most headphones do have treble irregularities it makes sense. FWIW he asked me a while back to recommend a TOTL headphone and I told him to try the LCD2. Go ahead and laugh. I knew he wouldn't have lasted more than 10s with the HD800 and I figured he would at least appreciate the solid bass that the Audezes provide (this was pre-Fazer) coming from speakers. He returned it for nebulous reasons that he didn't describe well to me.


That makes sense.  I can't stand a lot of headphones for similar reasons.  I had to go through quite a few to figure out exactly what I was looking for and exactly what bothered me with most of them.

I'd even prefer to go with speakers too, but I don't have any room for them and even if I did, I'd just get an endless string of complaints about the noise.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ohm-image on July 14, 2015, 01:13:01 AM
I've been enjoying Lachlan's reviews for a couple of years now. I dig that he doesn't care so much about hi-end. Or maybe it's not the target of his listeners. Anyway, I'm a fan of his no-frills, honest attitude. He's very easy to understand, too.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: lachlanlikesathing on July 14, 2015, 06:04:14 AM
I will be completely honest and say I vainly read through this entire thread looking for my name to come up (thanks for the nice words!) I don't want to mess things up by posting any comments of my own (and I value constructive criticism), but since his name hasn't come up I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed ClieOS's IEM reviews on Head Fi.

They were simple and succinct and when I was starting in the hobby I felt like they gave me a great frame of reference. I got my first pair of HiFiMan RE-0's off the back of his glowing recommendation and I remember being so happy.

Also in answer to questions about my predilection for mid-fi gear, I simply can't afford the high end gear. As you might also guess, it makes no sense from a YT revenue perspective to buy very expensive gear when I could get cheaper gear that more of my viewers are interested in, because only then can I keep buying more stuff. This is probably the biggest drawback of the 'no review units' model that I've discovered so far.

The Youtube audience is younger with less discretionary income, and I'm assuming (I may be wrong) that the people who want to buy summit-fi gear are more likely to prefer written reviews and hanging out on lovely forums like this.

I know that a lot of people think differently but I do like to buy a bunch of different gear because I find the process of comparison and collecting rewarding, and 'highest quality' is rarely my end goal. It's also a sour grapes thing on my part though.

All this said I've realised I've been slowly climbing up price brackets once I find stuff that I find physically comfortable enough to consider owning ie: Shure SRH1540.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 14, 2015, 07:55:40 AM
Hi lachlan,

on the issue of mid-fi gear. I am not implying you should head out and buy something like a MSB analog dac or anything that is 4 or 5 digits in nature, it doesn't really fit with general youtube viewers or the kind of funding you have. However there are plenty of dac/amps that is under USD$1k that you should look at. This is especially when you are reviewing more expensive items like Sony ZX1 or Sony MDR-Z7 which isn't that cheap for common YT viewer spending budget either. I feel there's plenty of upstream equipment that is better than O2/ODAC & Geek Pulse for just abit more money and you should be able to give your youtube viewers the [lachlanlikesathing] take on these higher priced than o2/odac/geek pulse dacs. Maybe you should poll or ask your viewers/funders if they want to see such dac/amp reviews from you.

Examples of affordable sub-$1k dac/amps out there:
Aune S16
Schiit Dacs & amps
Audio-gd Dacs/amps
Matrix X-sabre
SMSL M8
Gustard X12
GARAGE1217 amps
Bottlehead amps
Mousai MSD192 DAC
Emotiva Audio XDA-2
Fostex HP-A8/A4
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: lachlanlikesathing on July 14, 2015, 10:27:56 AM
I've definitely been interested in buying something fancier. The Geek Pulse was sort of meant to be that for me but while i think it sounds nice enough I have my own bugbears about it. I've been looking in passing at other options but nothing has really called out to me. Oddly enough I very very rarely (almost never) get requests about amps / DACs unless it's a Fiio unit.

Luckily I live right next to a headphone store now (Minidisc) and there is always new stuff to try. I should note that the ZX1 and the Z7 I bought at a very steep discount and sold both afterwards.

Honestly I've never been very confident with reviewing amps and DACs. I just don't hear much of a difference with a lot of stuff I've tried. Recently I've been trying the Apogee Groove (and formulating my review about it) and I have to say it's demonstrated to me that different gear really can sound very different, if only because it has a completely different topology. So I'm open to the idea of getting something spiffy.

It just has to look nice, not take up too much space on my desk and have on/off transient protection so I don't feel paranoid about it chewing up my headphones. If I had to get something today it would probably be a Schiit something.

I would also just love an amplifier that had two outputs with independent volume controls. That would just be heaven sent for gear comparisons.

Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 14, 2015, 07:21:22 PM

I would also just love an amplifier that had two outputs with independent volume controls. That would just be heaven sent for gear comparisons.



They do exist:

http://www.amazon.com/rolls-HA43PRO-CH-Headphone-Amp/dp/B00102ZOQC

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1020697-REG/polsen_hpa_4x2_pro_stereo_4_channel_hp.html

Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ultrabike on July 14, 2015, 07:24:29 PM
Damn! That HPA-4x2 is priced almost as competitive as the monoprice:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=115&cp_id=11504&cs_id=1150404&p_id=615220&seq=1&format=2

Why they look almost the same! Monoprice must try harder.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: maverickronin on July 14, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
They do exist:

http://www.amazon.com/rolls-HA43PRO-CH-Headphone-Amp/dp/B00102ZOQC

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1020697-REG/polsen_hpa_4x2_pro_stereo_4_channel_hp.html

Anyone know if those are any decent?

I'd imagine that they'd have some combination of high noise, high output impedance, or low power.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Hroðulf on July 14, 2015, 07:49:46 PM
Review my reviews!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5um1BfdmqiM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4E2LbrT_I
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on July 14, 2015, 08:34:50 PM
Too mild on the Sony.

The M50, okay for the money until you get a KSC75 or a good DT1350. Skip all three and the DT250-250 is a lot of value.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Tyll Hertsens on July 14, 2015, 09:58:39 PM
I would also just love an amplifier that had two outputs with independent volume controls. That would just be heaven sent for gear comparisons.



This one might be okay. http://www.rane.com/hc6s.html
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ultrabike on July 14, 2015, 10:07:10 PM
Yup. I eyed that one for a while in the past (the Rane). It is pricier and takes up some space (unless one has a rack), but specs look pretty solid.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: lachlanlikesathing on July 14, 2015, 11:17:28 PM
Yeah it seems like professional audio gear seems the way to go to find such an amplifier. Lately I've been thinking of just buying one of the new Thunderbolt Focusrite interfaces once they become available. The higher end models have 2x independent volume controls and I'll have a box for experiments with RMAA / podcast recording etc. And I trust Focusrite more because they  publish so much about their models: http://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/forte/specifications
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: LadyMacklebee on July 14, 2015, 11:20:05 PM
Joker- probably best reviewer in the business IMO. I like how he adapts his reviews towards certain sound signatures and hardly ever lets personal preferences taint his reviews. Short comparisons with other similar headphones that are slightly cheaper and slightly more expensive are uber helpful too. And he describes the sound in laymans terms that really drive home exactly what they sound like, instead of using nebulous terms like "euphoric".

MKBHD- this is easily the most dangerous, because he has a cult like following and is the most famous amongst all the YT reviewers. I remember watching an M50x review by soundguys I think and their vid got flooded by Mkbhd fantards proclaiming that they should take down the video because Mkbhd has made his review on it and nothing else would compare lol wtf. So out of curiosity I checked out his m50x video and I shit you not it consisted of saying the m50x has "rich lows, greats mids and crisp highs" or something to that effect. His open back headphones and DAC videos were just as bad, but millions of people approve and take what he says as the last word thus the absolute most dangerous.

Tyll Hertsens- his reviews are measurement based in most cases and they're pretty entertaining to read. Especially his high end stuff because it includes specific examples from music passages as to where they go right or go very very wrong. His Pono review was absolutely stellar, filled with comparison tests and personal insight as to what exactly he was hearing joker style.

Lachlanalwayslikesathing- the dude values comfort, isolation (if closed) and build quality more than sound. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I get the feeling he does let personal preferences regarding sound signature come into play. Which wouldn't be a bad thing except that it seems to change all the damn time, one minute he prefers a warm mellow sound the next he wants a bass and treble "shimmery" cannon. A bit inconsistent but all in all his reviews are very informative and one comes away knowing if something is good value or not, which is the end goal of all reviewers or at least should be and I think he portrays this the best.

Jude- wtf his headfi reviews are pathetic (he literally proclaims anything new as the best thing evhar) and when people call him out on wtf he's saying then a swarm of white knights rush in to defend him. Plus I never get the sense that his ears are any good, he went on and on about the ie80 being a much better version of the ie8 and for months when more experienced people were like "they sound the exact same to me" others were quick to point out "but Jude said...." Stfu. When measurements came out and they were identical lots of people ate crow, that was my first higher priced iem so I remember this quite vividly. And that binaural recording video gave me nightmares evil little man giggling about how groundbreaking this was.

Dale Thorn- it's actually tough to hate on someone who clearly has a lot of experience with high end and lower end stuff, but he uses some weird eq and I don't think it's all that accurate. But he's even creepier than Jude and gets banned from every forum he visits. Claims of Shure 940 being just as good as HD800 are silly and he should feel bad, his reviews are rambly but I'm a sucker for someone who does comparisons but I still wouldn't recommend this dude.

Hifi heaven lance gross- this dude wears the same shirt in every video and is just way too happy. Still not as creepy as Jude or Dale but as a mainstream customer focused reviewer I think he does a decent job. Not as controversial as the Dave Mahler who dun it from earlier but this dude legit steals Tylls written reviews and lifts stuff verbatim from them which is what I don't like, and also that he loves everything he reviews but at least gives a brief mention as to why the gear may not be for you unfortunately it's more preferences based rather than naming actual faults of the product. Which is kinda lame

Headfonia- their reviews aren't mentioned as much nowadays but a few years back they were linked in pretty much every head fi thread, nowadays the links are to Innerfidelity and the hobby is much better for it. I actually never minded the format and style of the headfonia reviews but as subjective as sound is, I just don't see how their reviews were accurate at all. It's the definition of take with a grain of salt.

Purrin- short and sweet, and has that joker ability to take a product for what it is and not be influenced by personal tastes. Measurements help a lot too and is good at identifying mod potential

Ultrabike- also mega short and sweet. His emoji game is strong. Extra brownie points for measurements and formatting the review in a simple short manner and to the point. For a lower level audiophile he's K

Anaxiilus- he seems more allergic to bass than the above two, but whenever he speaks about open and natural sounding gear I definitely take notice because I've never been let down by a recommendation from his regarding those things.

LFF- similar to Anax in that whenever he speaks on the tonal balance of something then it should not be taken with a grain of salt





Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Marvey on July 15, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
I will be completely honest and say I vainly read through this entire thread looking for my name to come up (thanks for the nice words!)

We could always add you to the list! But honestly, I doubt you would get any votes for being untrustworthy. Maybe a few because we like to mess with each other here.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ohm-image on July 15, 2015, 12:19:00 AM
Yeah it seems like professional audio gear seems the way to go to find such an amplifier. Lately I've been thinking of just buying one of the new Thunderbolt Focusrite interfaces once they become available. The higher end models have 2x independent volume controls and I'll have a box for experiments with RMAA / podcast recording etc. And I trust Focusrite more because they  publish so much about their models: http://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/forte/specifications

As you know, I ended up purchasing the Lynx HILO, whose output you can route however you want, more left, more right, but via a digital interface rather than analogue knobs and levers. It's expensive, but it's a great ADC/DAC and it's got one of the nicest (if not the most powerful) headphone amps out there. But Focusrite seem to be a good option, especially as thunderbolt interfaces become available. Note: no outboard ADC will be able to compare to a good one that plugs into PCI-e or whatever it is called.

The people that make the DR DAC3 make a phenomenal one actually measures nearly 20dB beyond the best outboard ADC available. It's not cheap, though, and you must use Windows.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: lachlanlikesathing on July 15, 2015, 03:07:51 AM
We could always add you to the list! But honestly, I doubt you would get any votes for being untrustworthy. Maybe a few because we like to mess with each other here.

Nah I'm good. I assumed that you didn't add Tyll's name to the list because he actually has an account here, so same thing applies. Unless you consider Tyll unimpeachable ;)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: keanex on July 15, 2015, 03:39:20 AM
What did people think of David Mahler's "Battle of the Flagships" write-up?
Love it. Obviously he doesn't need the money or gear. He seems to be sharing his honest opinions and I like it.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: keanex on July 15, 2015, 03:41:42 AM
The other being |joker| with his massive iem rating thread
100%. He's a nice guy too. For some reason he likes me so no complaints there =P
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 15, 2015, 04:25:03 AM
In his recent video appearances, Jude looks physically more frail(less body mass/muscle) than he was a few years ago?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: jexby on July 15, 2015, 04:29:19 AM
In his recent video appearances, Jude looks physically more frail(less body mass/muscle) than he was a few years ago?

uh oh here we go.
"wasting away and dying of <insert contagious disease here>"

Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on July 15, 2015, 04:35:52 AM
uh oh here we go.
"wasting away and dying of <insert contagious disease here

Maybe he is been busy with all the organizing of headfi meets and the lack of sleep?

2015:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/L4qSyYH_Vyc/maxresdefault.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d2/c0/d3/d2c0d306901b413c6065f027ea84c4ea.jpg

2012:
http://cdn.head-fi.org/4/4d/4ded0216_P1000180.jpeg

2010:
http://media.tas.zeitpress.com/articles/images/Jude_Mansilla%282%29.jpg
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Anaxilus on July 15, 2015, 05:17:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PR_rzF8ofw
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on August 02, 2015, 02:26:37 AM
John Darko did an almost wordless review of the he1k and gave it a knockout award.

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/07/hifiman-he-1000-headphones-review/
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: OJneg on August 02, 2015, 04:14:02 AM
John Darko did an almost wordless review of the he1k and gave it a knockout award.

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/07/hifiman-he-1000-headphones-review/


LMAO!

So I take that to mean it's a great approximation of reality but won't fool anyone who's not a grandma?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ultrabike on August 02, 2015, 07:26:29 AM
"John likes words. Words about music. Words about hi-fi. Words about music and hi-fi."1

1. But no words about the HE1k
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Jeff Y on August 02, 2015, 08:10:41 AM
"John likes words. Words about music. Words about hi-fi. Words about music and hi-fi."1

1. But no words about the HE1k
HE1K must be low-fi then.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ultrabike on August 02, 2015, 08:39:29 AM
Well, in so many words he said:

"The HE-1000 headphones (US$3000) are to music what the Oculus Rift is to computer gaming."

Is that a good thing? I dunno.

He also have it a DAR-KO award, and so he did for MrSpeaker's Ether, Schiit Audio Bifrost Uber w/ Gen 2 USB DAC, and Schiit Audio Modi 24/96 DAC. However he did the same for the Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC.

So what does that mean? It means I dunno. Ambiguous.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Itispat.jpg)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: imac2much on August 02, 2015, 08:57:55 AM
John Darko did an almost wordless review of the he1k and gave it a knockout award.

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/07/hifiman-he-1000-headphones-review/


This has got to be a low point - even for the "reviewers" in this thread.  He seems to be quite smug about his review in his comments too.  Amazing.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on August 02, 2015, 09:42:59 AM
Tyll and the Ultrasone were low on words but I was not confused.

John Darko is acting like a Hype-Fi troll.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on August 02, 2015, 10:47:03 AM
What John Darko thinks he is doing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7UK-6aaNA

Reality:
(http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/472727/file-2403171498-png/blog-files/clickbait-300x277.png)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: x838nwy on August 02, 2015, 02:41:06 PM
In his recent video appearances, Jude looks physically more frail(less body mass/muscle) than he was a few years ago?

The exhilaratin thrill of reviewing all them awesome, awesome gear must be taking its tolls.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Sorrodje on August 02, 2015, 07:36:32 PM
(click to show/hide)


Yup that's my feeling as well.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on August 02, 2015, 08:45:28 PM
Darko is far from the only one to give the Mytek DAC a "Super Plus Blue Moon Special" award. Almost all reviews I've seen of it have been extremely positive. Same for the PS DSD.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on August 02, 2015, 10:30:20 PM
Darko is far from the only one to give the Mytek DAC a "Super Plus Blue Moon Special" award. Almost all reviews I've seen of it have been extremely positive. Same for the PS DSD.

"Super Blue Moon Special" award? Is he the L. Ron Hubbard of audio reviews with his awards? Next he will have a double rainbows and triple rainbows class of awards for all kinds of audio gear.

I am almost expecting a fantasy novel with this kind of language.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Julian67 on August 03, 2015, 01:30:33 AM
I just added my votes.  I made seven votes out of eight people whose reviews I have read.  I did not vote for any person/site I never read.  The "audiophile" reviewer who I have read and not either disliked or distrusted was Mike Fremer @ Stereophile because I remembered finding him very likable and honest and I felt some empathy when he said something like crackles on vinyl are no worse than people making noise during a live performance.  I don't bother with vinyl any more but I do love live music and I often find a really good live broadcast, warts and all, is much better than any studio CD of the same works, so I have a lot of time for the point of view or feeling that those kinds of imperfections are not really imperfections at all.

I don't think I've ever read more totally brainless, shameless drivel than that which issues from the pens of Michael Lavorgna and Robert Harley.  What Hi-FI is not quite in the same league because it appears to be written by advertising bots using a well worn set of stock phrases.  My impression of What Hi-Fi is that it will award "PRODUCT X of the YEAR! Evaar!" to absolutely anything so long as the distributors and associated retailers pay for commissions, freebies and most importantly sustained advertising campaigns.  It's so obviously corporate and driven only by revenue.  Imo Lavorgna+Harley vs What Hi-Fi is a bit like individual tart vs cathouse.  In either case use protection, or ideally  just avoid.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Ulises on August 06, 2015, 01:54:44 PM
I loved this article about tube amps by a non-audiophile. Learned a lot of history and appreciated the variety of perspectives.

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/could-an-old-school-tube-amp-make-the-music-you-love-sound-better/


Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: imac2much on August 15, 2015, 01:20:20 AM
While this user is not technically an "audiophile reviewer," I feel that he/she does as much damage (if not more) of driving the hype train and FOTM reputation of head-fi: Nomax.  I never had much interaction with him before, but I've been seeing him pop up on lots of random threads with "insider information" and how every single new item he is hinting at will be the bee's knees (even if he hasn't even heard them yet, since they aren't even in production yet at the time of his hype).  I feel that this user symbolizes so much of what is wrong at head-fi right now.  Does anyone know who he is?  How does he even have so much insider information?  I thought he might be some PR goon who lacks the concept of subtlety, but he hypes pretty much any product regardless of brand: Abyss, Sennheiser, AKG, Pioneer, etc.  He's been recently hyping the Sennheiser 630VB, AKG K3003, AKG N90Q, Pioneer SE-Master-1, and last but not the least the recently announced Abyss Diana ($3000 open-back on-ear planars). 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/774015/the-first-real-high-end-hp-in-the-world

Are users like Nomax paid by companies to create hype at head-fi?  Thankfully he's not as "verbose" as 6moons, though his posts are still sometimes just as unintelligible.

Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Marvey on August 15, 2015, 02:11:19 AM
Could be a guy trying to establish a reputation so he can position himself to get lots of free gear, permanent loaners, or discounted gear in the future.


I'm on the other side of the fence now... if only you guys how many smooth operators were trying to get "accommodations" on the Studio. Lots of "wink" "wink" shit.
Title: Nomax
Post by: numbercube on August 15, 2015, 08:32:41 AM
Nomax is coming from the open-end-professional forum.
He claims to be active in the headphone scene since decades, going to meets to talk to developers and headphone freaks.
In Germany, there is the objective hifi-forum and the subjective open-end. Nomax just hypes everything he likes or rather he can listen to before others can do. He's never negative. He just wants so share the joy of the headphone hobby. Here's his own hype-thread, where he gets attacked a lot.
http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6634 (http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6634)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on August 15, 2015, 09:23:29 AM
Nomax is coming from the open-end-professional forum.
He claims to be active in the headphone scene since decades, going to meets to talk to developers and headphone freaks.
In Germany, there is the objective hifi-forum and the subjective open-end. Nomax just hypes everything he likes or rather he can listen to before others can do. He's never negative. He just wants so share the joy of the headphone hobby. Here's his own hype-thread, where he gets attacked a lot.
http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6634 (http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6634)

He is one of the worst with regards to the "hype-mentality." He openly admits to using secondary sources (with inherent bias) and not owning or having owned on what he makes his or her claims. He is following the list-trend without due diligence in research and purely does this for the attention.

He reminds me of the Ultrasone fanatics at Hype-Fi: "give me attention!; give me attention!" Me: "no."

Ignore such idiots or dismantle their operations...
 
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: imac2much on August 15, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
Nomax is coming from the open-end-professional forum.
He claims to be active in the headphone scene since decades, going to meets to talk to developers and headphone freaks.
In Germany, there is the objective hifi-forum and the subjective open-end. Nomax just hypes everything he likes or rather he can listen to before others can do. He's never negative. He just wants so share the joy of the headphone hobby. Here's his own hype-thread, where he gets attacked a lot.
http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6634 (http://www.open-end-music.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6634)

Ah, that explains a lot.  His constant hype is incredibly annoying though, regardless of his background. 

I did find one instance of him being negative... to the Beyer T1 no less, haha.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/774015/the-first-real-high-end-hp-in-the-world/135#post_11821877
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: keanex on August 15, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
That t1 treble...ew.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Original_Ken on August 15, 2015, 08:53:11 PM
"Trust No One" - Herod

I find music (and audio) reviewers to be an oxymoron.

In order to get jobs (20th Century) or be read by many people, one must be expert at writing words.  So, reviewers that we find at major sites are invariably verbally oriented people.

While this does not automatically preclude them from also being perceptive about the non-verbal world, it does make it unlikely.  You can see this by comparing the quantity of reviews of instrumental music to that of "songs".  Sites like Rolling Stone and Pitchfork base their appraisals of popular music largely by the quality and import of the lyrics of songs, and mostly ignore the music and instrumental performances.

Similarly, a "wordsmith" who can also charm companies into sending him $40,000 pieces of gear, is less likely to be someone who has spent thousands of hours comparing micro-details or listening to the effect of phase shifts.

The fact that I've already bored you, due to my lack of writing skills, is a good example of the above. :)
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: keanex on August 15, 2015, 09:04:59 PM
You should check out TheSilentBallet if you want reviews of instrumental stuff.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on August 15, 2015, 09:39:09 PM
"Trust No One" - Herod

I find music (and audio) reviewers to be an oxymoron.

In order to get jobs (20th Century) or be read by many people, one must be expert at writing words.  So, reviewers that we find at major sites are invariably verbally oriented people.

While this does not automatically preclude them from also being perceptive about the non-verbal world, it does make it unlikely.  You can see this by comparing the quantity of reviews of instrumental music to that of "songs".  Sites like Rolling Stone and Pitchfork base their appraisals of popular music largely by the quality and import of the lyrics of songs, and mostly ignore the music and instrumental performances.

Similarly, a "wordsmith" who can also charm companies into sending him $40,000 pieces of gear, is less likely to be someone who has spent thousands of hours comparing micro-details or listening to the effect of phase shifts.

The fact that I've already bored you, due to my lack of writing skills, is a good example of the above. :)

In the blogging, v-logging and Youtube/Vimeo/Vine community you see that being verbally adept at raising interest is an important skill. Click bait, keywords and tags are vital to stand out in the traffic of content. Sometimes keywords and tags become more important than brands and companies themselves because "viral."

You either adapt or have a following of fans, preferably both which leads to a fan base and the much desired "conversion rate" that advertisers and companies value more than your actual content. You have influence, you get money and things...
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Tyll Hertsens on August 15, 2015, 10:11:40 PM
In order to get jobs (20th Century) or be read by many people, one must be expert at writing words.  So, reviewers that we find at major sites are invariably verbally oriented people.

Similarly, a "wordsmith" who can also charm companies into sending him $40,000 pieces of gear, is less likely to be someone who has spent thousands of hours comparing micro-details or listening to the effect of phase shifts.

The fact that I've already bored you, due to my lack of writing skills, is a good example of the above. :)

Thank you. I consider myself a pretty poor wordsmith, but pretty good at developing meaning and spewing it out colloquially.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Yuanathan on August 16, 2015, 12:37:36 AM
Thank you. I consider myself a pretty poor wordsmith, but pretty good at developing meaning and spewing it out colloquially.
:)p13  :)p13
Personally I've always enjoyed your articles, using them as shortlist to audition gears.  :money:
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Luckbad on August 23, 2015, 04:29:43 PM
An annoying thing about being a reviewer is that you're inclined not to tear products apart early in your journey because you're trying to get established. You don't want to make enemies with companies or they'll never send you product, but you don't want to lie and undermine your credibility.

Once you're a respected reviewer like Tyll, you can be completely honest and still get review loaners, which is an awesome place to be. An alternative is what Lachlan does, which is get donations from viewers and buy product to review, which is an awesome policy and a reason I respect his thoughts.

I'm only reviewing stuff as a side project in a very specific category (Bass!), so my approach is to just be honest and get blacklisted if I have to. I feel bad doing it, but shrug. My review of the Rhapsodio RD3 isn't going to be great despite liking the guys over there (good lord is that earphone fatiguing and sibilant).
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Armaegis on August 23, 2015, 05:20:38 PM
Writing bad reviews always gets the most interesting (and greatest quantity of) replies for me.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: nmatheis on August 23, 2015, 07:24:27 PM
Writing bad reviews always gets the most interesting (and greatest quantity of) replies for me.

I can testify to that ;)

As long as the review is honest, being critical is highly appreciated!
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Original_Ken on August 23, 2015, 08:45:39 PM
Writing bad reviews always gets the most interesting (and greatest quantity of) replies for me.
My bad review of the Teac UD-501 caused more derisive and belittling replies than anything I've ever written.  So many people spent $800 because of shill reviews and from assuming that more "numbers" and features made it better.

I think that the fact that my review was very rational and detailed, made them particularly angry.  If I had instead just said "yeah sucks ha ha", then they could have discounted it.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on August 23, 2015, 08:49:06 PM
Conspiracy theory: Maybe there's a Hidden/unwritten rule in audiophile reviews in that you cannot write a total negative review of a major(or future potential) site sponsor.  walk the plank2
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: DaveBSC on August 23, 2015, 09:05:05 PM
Conspiracy theory: Maybe there's a Hidden/unwritten rule in audiophile reviews in that you cannot write a total negative review of a major(or future potential) site sponsor.  walk the plank2

Taken from Salvatore's "secret rules of reviewing"

1. Never anger any protected audio industry entity, such as:

A. An important current, or potential, advertiser; including manufacturers, distributors or retailers, or...

B. Any other audio establishment which has a "personal relationship" with you.

2. Delay acknowledging any serious problems with a "protected" component until you give another rave review to the "updated" model which replaces it and "corrects" the problems.

3. Avoid making any direct comparisons with a "protected" component, but if you have to, follow these "Solutions":

   A. Compare the component only to older and/or obsolete models, especially from the same manufacturer. (See Rule #2 above).

   B. If Solution "A" is not possible, compare the component to "competitors" costing either MUCH more or MUCH less.

   C. If both Solutions "A" or "B" are not possible, "neglect" to mention the actual names and model numbers of the rival components that you compare it to in the review.

   D. If Solutions "A", "B" or "C" are all not feasible, and you must compare the model to a current, similarly priced (and "protected") competitor that you must name, then you must be:

  1. As ambiguous as possible, and you must also...
  2. Never describe any problem as "serious" (See Rule #3.E)
  3. Never proclaim one model to be clearly superior to the other(s). In short...
  4. Both (or all) of the components must be seen as equally desirable and of similar value.

   E. Problems or imperfections that aren't obvious (such as no bass below 40 Hz with small speakers), may be described as "serious" (easy to hear) only when using Solutions "A", "B" or "C".

However, any problems described when using Solution "D" must always be "subtle" and "difficult to hear", or even described as an "advancement" if possible.

4. You must never inform readers if an "audiophile" accessory or tweak is also available in a generic form at a fraction of the price that the "protected" manufacturer is charging (Blue Tac and RFI rings etc.).

5. Any and all "transactions" between you and any of the parties mentioned in Rule #1 must always be kept strictly Confidential. Accordingly...

  A. You must never divulge the actual price, if any, you paid to "purchase" your reference components or accessories, or any extra costs you paid, if any, to have those same components updated, modified, repaired, replaced etc.

  B. You must never divulge any "gifts", "favors" or "perks" that you received from the "protected" audio entities, or those with whom you have a "personal relationship".

6. You must never mention the actual costs, even at retail prices, of the parts that are used to manufacture the component.

7. Further to Rules #4 & #6, you must never state, or even imply, that any component or accessory is "over-priced".

8. The more corrupt your magazine is, the more you shall proclaim your honesty.

9. Magazines shall never divulge the actual percentage of their advertising revenues to their total revenues.

10. OVERRIDE CLAUSE- Some of the preceding rules (#1, #2 & #3) may be ignored only in the event of either a serious (and apparently indefinite) breach of the "personal relationship" between the audio company and reviewer/magazine, and/or the termination, or non-payment, of their advertising contract.


Connaker at CA is definitely following these rules pretty closely these days. Once upon a time, he would directly compare products with other, competing products that he had recently reviewed, and also compare to his own, home built "CAPS" server. That's all gone. Competitors are NEVER mentioned in reviews now, and any questions in the comment section at the end of a review asking "how does this compare to..." are always ignored, no exceptions.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on August 24, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Video interview with Michael Fremer of Analog planet:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI_wwG0Zozc
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Rotijon on August 24, 2015, 04:57:02 PM
Taken from Salvatore's "secret rules of reviewing"

1. Never anger any protected audio industry entity, such as:

A. An important current, or potential, advertiser; including manufacturers, distributors or retailers, or...

B. Any other audio establishment which has a "personal relationship" with you.

2. Delay acknowledging any serious problems with a "protected" component until you give another rave review to the "updated" model which replaces it and "corrects" the problems.

3. Avoid making any direct comparisons with a "protected" component, but if you have to, follow these "Solutions":

   A. Compare the component only to older and/or obsolete models, especially from the same manufacturer. (See Rule #2 above).

   B. If Solution "A" is not possible, compare the component to "competitors" costing either MUCH more or MUCH less.

   C. If both Solutions "A" or "B" are not possible, "neglect" to mention the actual names and model numbers of the rival components that you compare it to in the review.

   D. If Solutions "A", "B" or "C" are all not feasible, and you must compare the model to a current, similarly priced (and "protected") competitor that you must name, then you must be:

  1. As ambiguous as possible, and you must also...
  2. Never describe any problem as "serious" (See Rule #3.E)
  3. Never proclaim one model to be clearly superior to the other(s). In short...
  4. Both (or all) of the components must be seen as equally desirable and of similar value.

   E. Problems or imperfections that aren't obvious (such as no bass below 40 Hz with small speakers), may be described as "serious" (easy to hear) only when using Solutions "A", "B" or "C".

However, any problems described when using Solution "D" must always be "subtle" and "difficult to hear", or even described as an "advancement" if possible.

4. You must never inform readers if an "audiophile" accessory or tweak is also available in a generic form at a fraction of the price that the "protected" manufacturer is charging (Blue Tac and RFI rings etc.).

5. Any and all "transactions" between you and any of the parties mentioned in Rule #1 must always be kept strictly Confidential. Accordingly...

  A. You must never divulge the actual price, if any, you paid to "purchase" your reference components or accessories, or any extra costs you paid, if any, to have those same components updated, modified, repaired, replaced etc.

  B. You must never divulge any "gifts", "favors" or "perks" that you received from the "protected" audio entities, or those with whom you have a "personal relationship".

6. You must never mention the actual costs, even at retail prices, of the parts that are used to manufacture the component.

7. Further to Rules #4 & #6, you must never state, or even imply, that any component or accessory is "over-priced".

8. The more corrupt your magazine is, the more you shall proclaim your honesty.

9. Magazines shall never divulge the actual percentage of their advertising revenues to their total revenues.

10. OVERRIDE CLAUSE- Some of the preceding rules (#1, #2 & #3) may be ignored only in the event of either a serious (and apparently indefinite) breach of the "personal relationship" between the audio company and reviewer/magazine, and/or the termination, or non-payment, of their advertising contract.


Connaker at CA is definitely following these rules pretty closely these days. Once upon a time, he would directly compare products with other, competing products that he had recently reviewed, and also compare to his own, home built "CAPS" server. That's all gone. Competitors are NEVER mentioned in reviews now, and any questions in the comment section at the end of a review asking "how does this compare to..." are always ignored, no exceptions.


I think this basically extends to all the more "Famous" reviewers, Mercer, Jude, Headfonia.

Only innerfidelity seems to be real these days.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on August 24, 2015, 08:05:48 PM
My bad review of the Teac UD-501 caused more derisive and belittling replies than anything I've ever written.

Not sure now if it was your words or Merv's, but I alluded to a not-impressed mention, on another forum, and experienced the same with foaming at the mouth, and a final ghastly cry that, hey, the reviewer had also criticised a $$-two-grand DAC, so was not to be trusted.

Mind you, the guy had just bought the Teac.  Have to admit that I was tempted, once, too. 
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ohm-image on August 25, 2015, 07:13:40 AM
Thank you. I consider myself a pretty poor wordsmith, but pretty good at developing meaning and spewing it out colloquially.


Your worst words are worth more than most people's best words.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on August 25, 2015, 07:52:56 AM
Could be a guy trying to establish a reputation so he can position himself to get lots of free gear, permanent loaners, or discounted gear in the future.


I'm on the other side of the fence now... if only you guys how many smooth operators were trying to get "accommodations" on the Studio. Lots of "wink" "wink" shit.

Reading Nomax and Music Alchemist in the HF Diana thread gave me a huge headache
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on August 25, 2015, 08:44:59 AM
Maybe they need more Stong Bad  :)p8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX03enzrSJ4&index=37&list=PLSFI7mabpYe4qnB47xr_kS7rhha36aY2M&ab_channel=homestarrunnerdotcom
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: adamaley on August 25, 2015, 12:27:55 PM
Mike Mercer is the worst for me. Never misses an opportunity to name call his "mentor" who recently passed (RIP) as if that in any way legitimizes his spurious jizz-markie approach to everything he gets his hands on. Terrible command of the English language (when did that stop being a requirement for people who choose to write for publications?), always catering to the vendor, and his ridiculous love for everything Audez'e regardless of how terrible it is, does himself and his employers a great disservice.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: ohm-image on August 26, 2015, 12:47:02 AM
BTW, is that Headfonia.com or Headphonia.com? If the first, I apologise for any part I've played in garnering mistrust in the last year (I joined in 2014 February or January).
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: knerian on August 26, 2015, 12:50:14 AM
Mike Mercer is the worst for me. Never misses an opportunity to name call his "mentor" who recently passed (RIP) as if that in any way legitimizes his spurious jizz-markie approach to everything he gets his hands on. Terrible command of the English language (when did that stop being a requirement for people who choose to write for publications?), always catering to the vendor, and his ridiculous love for everything Audez'e regardless of how terrible it is, does himself and his employers a great disservice.

Who is his mentor?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: jexby on August 26, 2015, 02:52:04 AM
Mike Mercer is the worst for me. Never misses an opportunity to name call his "mentor" who recently passed (RIP) as if that in any way legitimizes his spurious jizz-markie approach to everything he gets his hands on. Terrible command of the English language (when did that stop being a requirement for people who choose to write for publications?), always catering to the vendor, and his ridiculous love for everything Audez'e regardless of how terrible it is, does himself and his employers a great disservice.

+1

It's as if he's completely addicted to a new device or Audeze headphone that gives him that "special tingle".
Or he's completely high all the time when writing or listening.

For example- he raved about the GeekOut 1000 before release, mostly justified as it was a couple years ago.
But then IIRC, he went right back to regularly using some DragonFly or MicroStreamer instead?

Anyone who raves about the EL8 open or closed is bonkers.

Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on August 26, 2015, 06:13:39 AM
I hope it is second nature for you to avoid reviews that start or are based on the "new-toy-syndrome"?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Pyruvate on August 26, 2015, 06:27:42 AM
Reading Nomax and Music Alchemist in the HF Diana thread gave me a huge headache

Posters like Music Alchemist are the worst. I cringe every time he posts. He's one of the top posters on HF simply because he's on the site all day long. What rustles my jimmies the most is the kind of advice he gives to newbies. He spends at most a week with his headphones before trading them and thinks he knows what's best for everyone with his limited experiences.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Griffon on August 26, 2015, 10:27:17 PM
Posters like Music Alchemist are the worst. I cringe every time he posts. He's one of the top posters on HF simply because he's on the site all day long. What rustles my jimmies the most is the kind of advice he gives to newbies. He spends at most a week with his headphones before trading them and thinks he knows what's best for everyone with his limited experiences.

I think a somehow seasoned noob can actually tell MA (and those people alike) are the kind of hyping spammer. Meanwhile, there are some people far more dangerous - they talk incompetent tech (like the iFi drama yesterday), falisfied data (Jude's FRs) and pseudo-science (cable directions, specific burn-in).
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: sfoclt on August 26, 2015, 10:52:28 PM
I hope it is second nature for you to avoid reviews that start or are based on the "new-toy-syndrome"?

Yeah, I'd much rather read a review from a competent hobbyist (or professional) that has spent several years with an item than the fotm reviews from those chasing free gear and attention, often making sure to drop announcements of their upcoming reviews on the forums.  Who are you again?
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Deep Funk on August 27, 2015, 06:08:12 AM
Yeah, I'd much rather read a review from a competent hobbyist (or professional) that has spent several years with an item than the fotm reviews from those chasing free gear and attention, often making sure to drop announcements of their upcoming reviews on the forums.  Who are you again?

Someone who escaped Hype-Fi due to the hype factory. I trust personal recommendations.

Pleased to meet you.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Dr Pan K on August 27, 2015, 07:28:34 AM
Who is his mentor?

Harry Pearson, founder of TAS.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: madaboutaudio on August 29, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
Megabucks review:  :vomit:

http://www.audiostream.com/content/shunyata-research-hydra-triton-v2-hydra-typhon-hydra-dpc-6-v2-and-%CE%BEtron%E2%84%A2-%CF%83-sigma-ac-power
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: aive on August 29, 2015, 11:18:28 AM
Great write-up of the Schiitt fest on IF Anax - It was a breath of fresh air actually hearing some negative impressions of products in an audio article for once (Ether vs HD800).

 :)p1
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: Koloth on September 23, 2015, 06:07:28 PM
I would also just love an amplifier that had two outputs with independent volume controls. That would just be heaven sent for gear comparisons.

Perhaps borderline necro but this product should be right up your alley: http://spl.info/de/produkte/monitor-controller/2control/uebersicht.html

(http://spl.info/fileadmin/user_upload/Temporary_files___temp__/csm_2Control_front_aa9e6a722f.jpg)

Should cost somewhere between 500-600$ depending where you live. A pro manufacturer with audiophile credentials, that builds really well engineered products. No bullshit, no hyper-inflated pricepoints: This is the stuff audio professionals buy. A crossfeed dial and three independent volume controls so you can even use the whole thing as a stereo preamp to your active speakers or a poweramp. If I should ever need a headphone amp that two people can use at once with individual listening volumes thats for sure the product I'm going to buy.
Title: Re: Reviewing the audiophile reviewers
Post by: bixby on September 23, 2015, 07:55:47 PM
Perhaps borderline necro but this product should be right up your alley: http://spl.info/de/produkte/monitor-controller/2control/uebersicht.html


I sure do hope that thing sounds good, my original Phonitor sounded like  poo