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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #250 on: August 15, 2015, 01:28:52 AM »
I also have no issue with people asking genuine questions regarding gear and setups they have not heard and I will be happy to try and help. That's why we exchange articulated opinions.
I have issues with people assuming and hypothesising on stuff they have not heard or taking things out of context to try and prove a point. This is audio and we're all experienced enough to know first hand theory-crafting just does not work. Leading others to a certain thought path based on theory-crafting can be very misleading very quickly. 

1. The point is 2015 can provide great USB. It's just not easy. As Marv mentioned CD transports or vinyl are a similar or an worse can of worms. Where 2015 also comes in, is the newer can of worms provides convenience. The legacy one does not.
2. Yes it does. Until I hear a CD player that can resolve what the MSB Quad USB does. This is nothing to do with R2R.
3. Nobody compared Theta to Yggy that way. This is misunderstanding and a tangent.
4. Yes it did for me. My best recommendation is anyone should always take anything with a grain of salt, and hear stuff in the own time and leisure to make their own impression.
5. I don't know what is so special about their transport. In the same way I don't have any indication it's bad, because I have not heard it. Anything else would be speculation. But if I get it, I will be happy to share my impressions.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #251 on: August 15, 2015, 01:54:31 AM »
It would be nice for you to investigate other transports that are not video playback devices marketing Oppo technology and built to fit into a particular chassis aesthetic. Maybe MSb is just THAT good, but it sounds like a compromise device with a lot of features and technology I've heard in inferior transports. By all means, let us know if you try the MSB. The question is will that tell us anything about ToTL transports versus USB?

I'm not even going to comment on terms derived from Starcraft being applied to audio. There's definitely some lexical issues going on. Cheers. :)
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #252 on: August 15, 2015, 02:00:22 AM »
Now what would be interesting if the Quad USB sounded better than the MSB transports. I'm not past MSB pulling a rabbit out of their hats with their USB implementation.

We need to schedule a micro-meet @ GoldenEars (not the Korean dude) place. He always picks a bad day. Don't know if he has the Quad USB though.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #253 on: August 15, 2015, 02:07:05 AM »
Yeah, he's down here in Laguna Beach now I think. Pretty close to one of my sushi haunts.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #254 on: August 15, 2015, 02:21:08 AM »
You guys got the idea. That's what matters.

They also changed the DAC firmware. I have no way to know what is responsible for what, because I did not hear the previous firmwares or the old USB. The Quad USB only operates with the latest firmware.
Also if anyone thinks Yggy is very particular in regards to its warm-up time, it's probably worse with the MSB. It does take about 2-3 days to stabilize and seems to start degrading in SQ even if it's powered on, but inputs/outputs are not connected. It's also getting physically cold when that happens. Speaking with other owners, I am not the only one to have noticed this.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #255 on: August 15, 2015, 02:40:08 AM »
Quote from: Negura on August 15, 2015, 02:21:08 AM
You guys got the idea. That's what matters.

They also changed the DAC firmware. I have no way to know what is responsible for what, because I did not hear the previous firmwares or the old USB. The Quad USB only operates with the latest firmware.
Also if anyone thinks Yggy is very particular in regards to its warm-up time, it's probably worse with the MSB. It does take about 2-3 days to stabilize and seems to start degrading in SQ even if it's powered on, but inputs are not connected. It's also getting physically cold when that happens. Speaking with other owners, I am not the only one to have noticed this.

I don't doubt that at all. I've talked to Jason and Mike, Craig, Steve Nugent, Bryston and a few others about effects of thermal shifts relative to perceived audio quality many moons ago. It's quite real. I also feel some devices can also be left on for too long. Takes a much more knowledgeable person than me (who isn't a cognitive psychologist) to write a comprehensive explanation for the reasons why. That would be a fascinating thread actually.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #256 on: August 15, 2015, 02:50:42 AM »
Quote from: marvey on August 15, 2015, 02:00:22 AM
Now what would be interesting if the Quad USB sounded better than the MSB transports. I'm not past MSB pulling a rabbit out of their hats with their USB implementation.

We need to schedule a micro-meet @ GoldenEars (not the Korean dude) place. He always picks a bad day. Don't know if he has the Quad USB though.

These DACS are what he was pimping at his last scheduled meet:

DAC list- with original pricing for comparison


MSB Analog DAC stack with volume control ( all separate power supplies and transports) $22,419

Wadia 860x 24/96 PCM DAC /CD player with Great Northern Sound Starement level upgrade with volume control $8950

Acoustic quality AQUA LA SCALA PCM only NOS DAC ( Johnny Darkos favorite DAC yet! Only model in Southern California! $5500

Acoustic quality AQUA LA VOCE PCM only NOS DAC( you can roll 4 different DAC chips in this, only unit in SoCal) $2600

Hegel HD25 PCM only with volume control
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #257 on: August 15, 2015, 02:59:14 AM »
What's up with that Analog price? Even with MSBs imo slightly disgusting add-on pricing it's a lot more than expected...

One can start looking at Signature V for that money.

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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #258 on: August 15, 2015, 04:04:30 AM »
Speaking of transports, I'd love to try one of these things:
http://www.tachyon.co.jp/~sichoya/SDTrans/SDTrans4.html
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #259 on: August 15, 2015, 06:38:41 AM »
Hi guys,

Complete noob here about CD players, but i was curious about the way they are different. Does not seem to make much sense to me. Im new though.

Id like to use the SPDIF input of the yggy, but if converters colour the sound, what other suggestion is there?

I was thinking the Oppo 105, maybe modding it with modwright, or is there another transport that can take in a hard drive as well and output SPDIF.
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