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Author Topic: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.  (Read 55399 times)

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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #210 on: August 07, 2015, 04:21:04 PM »

It's the new default avatar. Never changed mine.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2015, 05:02:22 PM »

Speaking of Avatars, who ever gave me mine, "Thanks!" It's cool.  :)p7
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #212 on: August 07, 2015, 06:13:36 PM »

I want to see my new avatar too!

Anyway, noticed Marv updated his impressions of the redacted^2. Nice to see that he found even more resolution than before (even beating the Master 7), but I'm not sure how to feel about more warmth. I was hoping to grab one for my LCD2.2, but the last thing I want for it to have is more warmth.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #213 on: August 07, 2015, 07:42:50 PM »

but the last thing I want for it to have is more warmth.

I'm a little concerned about this as well - i don't think my HD650 + Valhalla 2 setup needs more warmth.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #214 on: August 09, 2015, 04:25:34 AM »

That chart is a real eye-opener.
I wonder where a Marantz NA-11S1 or the similar SA-11S3 would end up.
And the less expensive HD-Dac1.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #215 on: August 13, 2015, 11:02:44 PM »

Anyone seen this 3 way comparison between Theta V A, Schiit Yggdrasil and MSB Analog with Quad USB:

http://www.head-fi.org/products/msb-analog/reviews/13668

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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #216 on: August 13, 2015, 11:25:55 PM »

Anyone seen this 3 way comparison between Theta V A, Schiit Yggdrasil and MSB Analog with Quad USB:

http://www.head-fi.org/products/msb-analog/reviews/13668



The MSB Analogs I've heard never struck me as more neutral and less warm than the Yggy. That's bizarre. More air and treble too? Weird. More resolving?? All I can surmise is most of those impressions were done via USB and that ifi USB/Coax converter and ESound CD player must pretty much suck. USB is the worst input on the Yggy, period, the end. Also, if that 2A3mkIV is only SE input then he is listening through the Yggy's summers. No 3-pin to RCA cable will be transparent to the Yggy's balanced output either. I've tried.

This is also the second time I've heard the Yggy fare more poorly compared to other DACs from someone using network streaming for critical evaluation. I've also never heard any MSB or any other DAC remove itself from the chain's digital signature as well as the yggy. The background simply melts away. Yeah, it's grey and less black from the FETs, but it leaves the digital information naked on it's own out there.

I don't doubt what they heard, but I doubt how definitive and comprehensive their test protocols are. Too many red flags to me that are easy to explain. I don't even know wtf the point of having that silly converter was.

Here's a laughable impression from 6moons on that CD player to prove my point:

"If you need to hear every single carbonation bubble burst, you might feel cheated here. Not me though. While knowing that more remains possible, I can live without out it especially considering long-term comfort. To boot, the treble isn't opaque. Rather, it's elegantly discreet to never run the risk of a digital alarm clock which can otherwise disturb the €1,000 range."

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/eastsound/eastsound.html

Translation? The CD player is no bueno. Why would you feed a 4 digit DAC that garbage to test for transparency?

I dare say that reviewer has not heard either of those DACs at their best. It's all about perspective and variables. Nice effort on their part however. I just wouldn't count it as authoritative.

Edit-One other point to consider. Use of language. Our uses of terms like 'warm' might not be the same.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #217 on: August 13, 2015, 11:48:39 PM »

The point of the "silly convertor" was Theta has no USB, and for convenience and not only, everyone I know is using the Theta with a convertor. That old fellow still punches greatly. I stand by all those impressions and I  think I was nice to Yggy in my review. Btw I have a balanced speaker amp and had several above average balanced headamps here like the Rag or Moon430ha. While there is a difference favouring the Yggy over its SE it isnt something that would prompt me into re-writing any of what was said or selecting another headamp over the EC.

Yggy is a very good and nice sounding Dac and I respect that. I would recommend it to many, including friends. It did not really match the MSB Analog with the Quad USB in technicalities or transparency though as summarised in the review.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #218 on: August 13, 2015, 11:58:17 PM »

I've been told by a few others that the MSB Quad USB is supposed to be a significant improvement over the old USB, but I have not heard it yet. It does make sense considering that you did say the Analog DAC was almost a different DAC when running via coax from your CDP.

FWIW, I preferred the Yggy via AES3 from the Data III transport over the USB Gen 3. The Schiit USB solution isn't bad at all, but it sounded more closed-in and murky than from the Data III.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #219 on: August 14, 2015, 12:34:45 AM »

Get a Uptone REGEN.
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