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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #70 on: June 02, 2015, 02:45:12 AM »

I think Jr can be qualified  to replace zx1.

I've seen complaints that the Jr's got a really slow response speed (screen, loading music, etc) and a screen that is hard to navigate on because it's so small. Can anyone comment on that please?
Jr's a disappointment for me personally because it does not have an optical out or coaxial out like many other DAPs or A&K DAPs out there. :p It may be just me though.
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2015, 03:18:29 AM »

Really excited for the HE-400S. I might've just found my first HiFiMAN.
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2015, 04:57:33 AM »

I've seen complaints that the Jr's got a really slow response speed (screen, loading music, etc) and a screen that is hard to navigate on because it's so small. Can anyone comment on that please?
Jr's a disappointment for me personally because it does not have an optical out or coaxial out like many other DAPs or A&K DAPs out there. :p It may be just me though.

Sluggish response but easy to navigate. I just have some 3000 tracks on the Jr and I don't feel a problem. BTW if I don't disable all the Android shit on ZX1 the response is pretty same sluggish. I find the UI on DAPs like iBasso, Fiio, and Calyx M are shit. YMMV.

And I don't get why you want so many connectivities on a DAP. As long as it has a line out and sounds good I don't give a shit about connectivities.
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2015, 04:59:07 AM »

Going to have to diverge here. I thought the Jupiter was kinda effed up sounding. I think audiofrk heard some of the issues that I was picking up on. I did think the Lyra was better although I'm not really into the "full-bodied" IEM sound.

agreed using my gear and the comply tips the jupiter had this weird signature that pulled up the mids and brought down the highs till they were in this congested area.  It was apparent with duets but very hard to pick out with orchestral ensembles.  The lyra had good bass without being warm  (comply tips)  I didn't really feel it being laid back and the detail was good when A/Bing with the UERMs.  Though on both iems when listening to Beethoven's moonlight sonata I noticed that the notes were distorting, I took note of this as I had earlier rolled my eyes in a speaker demonstration when the salesman said that it was difficult to reproduce piano notes.  Today I was using the same stack with my UERMs and I remember that I didn't check its piano notes, sure enough no distortion maybe the campfire stuff needs to be broken in?  Near as I can tell the low notes and the high notes (on the piano) are overlapping so some more depth should solve it, but I would need to check them again.

Two side notes 1.  when A/B the jupiter/lyra I noticed that the lyra liked it when I increased the gain then volume match while the jupiter had no room on the knob if I increased the gain. 2. listening to my gear today I noticed that its brighter than before, don't know why I am perceiving this now but its slightly brighter than I remembered.


Most improved award:  the nighthawk, heard it out of the ayre codex, like it much more that out of the hugo (canjam).  I could hear the mids and tremble this time but the bass still feels likes its on the edge of distorting.  OJ said that it was speakerlike and I see his point but to me it was like taking a picture with a fisheye lens sure you try to stuff more in to the picture but it looks unnatural same thing with these they do have some similarities with the speaker output but try to stuff them into a headphone feels unnatural.  but I think some people might like these, if they can get over the fact that they are a huge increase in price from the hd650.   

Really excited for the HE-400S. I might've just found my first HiFiMAN.

me too!!! very exited to pit these against the hd600/650.  very close to the ether (carbon/yggy) in tonality but the he-400s (picollo/rwimod) had clear disadvantage, my stack!!  Oh on the ether I like the presentation (tremble, mids, bass)  but it still feels 2d dimensional and lacking in dynamics even with that awsome setup not endgame stuff. 
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2015, 05:05:09 AM »

The show this year was a mixed bag for me.  The main thing I came away with is it costs SERIOUS money to get great sound and I'm not sure it's possible to get truly great sound reproduction from anything other than a tape or vinyl source. 
I hate saying that because I've been committed to making digital work for quite a while, but everything I heard at the show that was sourced from digital had noticeable distortion with certain material that I'm not sure how to label.  It was most noticeable in big symphonic works, choirs, sustained high violins, all in the upper frequencies, it usually has one or more of the following qualities: glare, peakiness, congestion, hardness/grain, hash, even over-modulation.  I talked with many people about this at the show and I got as many opinions, really, everyone had a different take on it.  Luis says it's the mastering.  That at least sounds more down to earth than some of the things I was hearing, solar flares, planet alignments and such, so I'll go with that for now.... I left unsure what to do next with my system.  Putting that little tantrum aside, these are the rooms stood out to me:

Hifi One's room was only better than average to my ear (you can see most of it on their website, if you look at the reference system: rbhifi1.com) but when they used the Sonorus reel-reel deck as the source, it suddenly was the best room at the show.  Arian Jansen rebuilds a Revox tape deck (only $27K!  :)p13), adds something he calls a proximity subwoofer and remasters tapes from multi-channel sources ($200 a pop).  The most prevalent characteristic was size - big, wide, deep and engrossing, sort of like the MBL rooms, but good.  More realistic and natural.  I won't pretend to understand it, but I'll try to give a simplistic description of what he told me he does:  He takes multi-channel sources and through his own proprietary process creates a two track 1/4 reel-reel tape that produces much of the same effect.  I doubt he can mimic 5.1 discreet channels, but it's more about recreating the ambiance of the recording space and the reality of the recorded material.  And it does that convincingly.  The soundstage is HUGE.  But more than that, everything is right there, no matter how softly or loudly, it's uncannily real.  He also has a little 8" subwoofer that isn't used to reinforce or extend bass.  He says it's used to "condition" the room.  To be honest, I couldn't quite grasp what he was talking about.  It had something to do with harmonics.  It got a bit nutty professor when he tried to explain that while there are even and odd harmonics, 2,4,8, etc... 3,5,7, etc... everyone forgets about the zero harmonic.  Can someone explain that to me?  Anyway, whatever it was, it floored me.

Purist Audio Design was my second favorite room.  They had these little floor standers that pressurized the room perfectly.  The digital source had problems to my ear, but the $50,000 turntable into these little monsters was amazing.  I think we played some Berlioz?  I can't remember, but it was a huge symphonic orchestra and I was as close to a real symphony as I've ever been without actually being there.

I really liked the Silverline Bolero speakers and agree, at 10K, they're a good deal.

Vinnie Rossi had his Lio "all-in-one" box there driving a pair of Harbeth Super HL5 (I think) speakers.  It was so good, I was sorely tempted to dump my whole system and just simplify.  If you're not familiar with him, he was Red Wine Audio and worked a lot with battery powered amps.  This one doesn't have batteries, but it has a bank of 20 or so ultra-capacitors.  It sounded fine at Canjam, but on the Harbeth's it was outstanding. 

Channel Island Audio: Duffy had some prototype bookshelf speakers that were really great looking with some kind of proprietary tweeter with a cool looking waveguide.  BIG presentation, smooth, detailed and said they'll probably be $2K, I think that's a bargain.  I couldn't find anything wrong with this room.  Best I've heard from him to date.

I heard the Meridian MQA demo and I'm still not ready to make a judgement on it.  I'm not familiar with their speaker system, so I wasn't sure what I was hearing.  I kind of liked what I heard and there was certainly something unique in the sound.  Very controlled is what mostly comes to mind.  Whether I was hearing something closer to the Master or as they say, drilling all the way back to the microphones… I'm skeptical.  I'd need to hear it on my system or one I'm familiar with.  I have high hopes for this though.  Not so much for the compression, which is great, but more for the promise of actual Master quality.

The Elac/Andrew Jones $229 bookshelf speakers really are amazing.  I thought his budget pioneer bookshelf was fine, and a great value, but this one went well beyond that one in sound quality and it's good looking too.  I think Elac is primarily an AMT speaker manufacturer and I'm pretty sure Andrew isn't interested in working with that, so it will be interesting to see if they have two separate lines, or if they throw all in with Jones.

I did take a quick listen to that VIVA Egoista amp and figured it sounded so bad because they had just turned it on and it needed to warm up.  But I have to say, it still sounded better to my ears than that Heed integrated, maybe that had to warm up too.  Or maybe I had to warm up...



I wasn't as taken as some of you guys with these speakers.  I thought they were a bit harsh.  But did you guys notice that huge ugly box in the middle was a complete system in one box.  I think all you needed was an outlet and speaker wires.
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #75 on: June 02, 2015, 05:43:41 AM »

Jupiter is basically tuned like an improved IE800. Similar curve. However, it has depth, body to images, better space and clarity. It still has the low/sub bass enhancement which can be a bit much depending on your tastes.
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2015, 05:48:49 AM »

I've seen complaints that the Jr's got a really slow response speed (screen, loading music, etc) and a screen that is hard to navigate on because it's so small. Can anyone comment on that please?
Jr's a disappointment for me personally because it does not have an optical out or coaxial out like many other DAPs or A&K DAPs out there. :p It may be just me though.

I didn't have any issues with that. Maybe I use better sd cards than those people. My test card is a Sandisk 64gb Ultra. It was pretty obvious to me the AKs are using faster processors than most of the competitors (AK380 even more so). The Questyles could vastly improve here with faster processing, larger fonts/screen, more responsive controls. Then again, not sure how production ready their firmware was.
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2015, 06:05:13 AM »

agreed using my gear and the comply tips the jupiter had this weird signature that pulled up the mids and brought down the highs till they were in this congested area.  It was apparent with duets but very hard to pick out with orchestral ensembles.  The lyra had good bass without being warm  (comply tips)  I didn't really feel it being laid back and the detail was good when A/Bing with the UERMs.  Though on both iems when listening to Beethoven's moonlight sonata I noticed that the notes were distorting, I took note of this as I had earlier rolled my eyes in a speaker demonstration when the salesman said that it was difficult to reproduce piano notes.  Today I was using the same stack with my UERMs and I remember that I didn't check its piano notes, sure enough no distortion maybe the campfire stuff needs to be broken in?  Near as I can tell the low notes and the high notes (on the piano) are overlapping so some more depth should solve it, but I would need to check them again.


That sounds like a combination of things. Possibly poor fit with complys and/or the complys doing weird things and they get crushed in your ear canal. I really don't like the sound effect of complys and would only recommend them for taming treble happy phones.

The other thing is if you know the IE800 sig, you know the bass can appear to be somewhat neutral. However, once anything below around 80hz shows up it massive overload. Similar thing here with the Jupiter. This could be the cause of low notes blending with highs on a piano. Coupled with the single dynamic driver maybe not being as articulate and fast as a multi BA.
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2015, 07:15:00 AM »

Any impressions of JDS's new Element DAC/amp?
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Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
« Reply #79 on: June 02, 2015, 07:33:09 AM »

@No_One411 It's a rare pleasure meeting a musician who not only played with one of the world's top orchestra but who also is a very knowledgeable audiophile. I was surprised that such a young fellow ;-) could understand equally well modern trends in both live music and sound reproduction. Hifiman are very lucky having you on their side.
   I stopped commenting on the sound of other headphones but can still recommend everyone interested in a quality sound reproduction to audition newest offerings from Hifiman, Mr.Speakers and ZMF. Had to stay at my booth pretty much the whole four days therefore couldn't really dedicate much time on listening to what was on offer in a speaker land.
   At every audio show in the past I used to try and listen to the sound of every single exhibitor with my own test tracks. So far I only heard maybe a handful of good sounding rooms. This time a friend of mine whose expertise I trust told me to visit a few rooms he thought sounded good and I found one to be true. A new loudspeaker manufacturer from Hawaii JWM had a pair of bookshelf loudspeakers on display that sounded great from 250Hz on up. Some issues below that and probably a bit more refinement up top but the essence, midrange was exemplary good. The room could have been the cause of some LF issues. Also listened to the JBL M2s and found nothing to write home about. Found no glaring flaws but audition was short and I had no desire in making it longer. Maybe upstream gear was the issue?
   Highlight of the show was Lyn Stanley singing live at the lobby. Was only able to hear one song: "Cry me a river" but performance was simply awesome. Another highlight, believe it or not was Darin's Out of Your Head and not the software itself as I learned it fairly well over the years. What truly amazed me was reaction of listeners.
   Let me explain: there wasn't many interested parties around my own table so I pretty much had to stare at what was going on at Darin's during all four days ;-). I didn't count but there must have been at least few hundred listeners and pretty much everyone was shocked by the OOYH demo, like if they were experiencing a virtual reality headset. Setting up a hidden camera could be very entertaining ;-). I actually can't remember seeing one single person who wasn't astounded by it.
    I know about this software from before it was even in beta, always thought it was a great product and should be hugely successful but this was a first time I saw a proof of success with my own eyes. On Sunday, when pretty much everyone was already gone Darin had two more sales.... ! Cudos to you man and hope more people will spread a word.
   Overall this was a good show and it was great talking to some of the pirates and industry insiders. Hope to see you all next time.
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