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Title: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on May 30, 2015, 02:40:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TG2H5Jz.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/R107P60.jpg)

Also spent good time with Nighthawk, Campfire Audio IEMs, Hifiman HE400S, Hifiman HM700, ZMF 'phones, and speaker rigs. Will be back on Sunday for a more rigorous look at speaker stuff
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ohhgourami on May 30, 2015, 07:29:05 AM
Might be there on Sunday. Might be...
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: burnspbesq on May 30, 2015, 01:18:00 PM
The first thing I listened to when I got there on Friday was the Questyle player. It sounds quite OK, but the user interface is for shit (particularly the click-wheel, which barely works at all).

Had a brief chat with Brannan; mentioned that I was having a battery life issue with my BTS, and he said he would swap it out for me. Noble not only makes great products, they have a solid grasp of how to make customers happy.

If you have a use case for a portable player, you gotta hear the AK Jr. Austell & Kern takes a lot of heat, and deservedly so, for their outlandish pricing, but they nailed it with their new entry-level model. I'm thinking I will go back on Sunday and see whether it can handle a 128 gig card; officially, they say 64, but so does Pono, and 128 gig cards work perfectly in the Pono Player. I'm the biggest Pono fanboi around, but the combination of a more phone-like form factor and Bluetooth could change my mind.

I didn't hear the Riva Turbo X at CanJam, so yesterday was my first encounter with it. "Blown away" would be a gross understatement.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: iRo on May 30, 2015, 03:45:44 PM
I second Nighthawk request. Would be great if you have time to re-visit your impressions, Gourami. Maybe they did something after all...
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: zerodeefex on May 30, 2015, 04:02:51 PM
The first thing I listened to when I got there on Friday was the Questyle player. It sounds quite OK, but the user interface is for shit (particularly the click-wheel, which barely works at all).

Had a brief chat with Brannan; mentioned that I was having a battery life issue with my BTS, and he said he would swap it out for me. Noble not only makes great products, they have a solid grasp of how to make customers happy.

If you have a use case for a portable player, you gotta hear the AK Jr. Austell & Kern takes a lot of heat, and deservedly so, for their outlandish pricing, but they nailed it with their new entry-level model. I'm thinking I will go back on Sunday and see whether it can handle a 128 gig card; officially, they say 64, but so does Pono, and 128 gig cards work perfectly in the Pono Player. I'm the biggest Pono fanboi around, but the combination of a more phone-like form factor and Bluetooth could change my mind.

I didn't hear the Riva Turbo X at CanJam, so yesterday was my first encounter with it. "Blown away" would be a gross understatement.

The riva converted me from being a foxl supporter.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on May 31, 2015, 03:53:55 AM
More details to come later, but quick winners list for pure sonics. Some have better price/performance ratios than others. Some are ludicrously priced.

HE400S (EF5 replacement amp/answering machine they used was utter garbage, had to use my portable rig to let it perform)
Campfire Audio Jupiter and Lyra
AK Jr. and AK380 (hated the 100, 240 and all the mk2 iterations of their lineup)
QP1
JBL M2
Audiophysic Scorpio 25+
SB Acoustics Xmax DIY kit (overall pretty solid for a $1700 kit of parts with no cabinet, could use some minor tweaking here and there to linearize a few spots)

Disappointments:

EF5 replacement thingy
EF1000
Viva headphone amps
Woo monoblocks
QP1R sound, QP UI seems to have gotten ore clinky than I recall and the paint was chipping off the center button already.
No portable amps or DAPs better than my Leckerton+GO DAC
Lots of messed up Wilson rooms
Tons of high priced garbage
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: AustinValentine on May 31, 2015, 04:16:16 AM
More details to come later, but quick winners list for pure sonics. Some have better price/performance ratios than others. Some are ludicrously priced.

AK Jr. and AK380 (hated the 100, 240 and all the mk2 iterations of their lineup)


I've been eyeing the AK Jr. hoping that it wouldn't sound awful. (That they used a WM8740 like in the AK120 MKI seemed promising.) Will definitely be looking forward to impressions. If it gets anywhere in the neighborhood of the performance of the GO450 + Leckerton, I'd buy it just for the convenience factor alone.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on May 31, 2015, 04:25:37 AM
I've been eyeing the AK Jr. hoping that it wouldn't sound awful. (That they used a WM8740 like in the AK120 MKI seemed promising.) Will definitely be looking forward to impressions. If it gets anywhere in the neighborhood of the performance of the GO450 + Leckerton, I'd buy it just for the convenience factor alone.

Well...the neighborhood would be more like the next city or next county over. All depends. AK380, is a few blocks down, QP1 family are in the neighborhood, like city limits of a suburb. AK jr. sonically reminds of what it would be like if the AK120 with proEQ had a baby with the Sony A17. Sonics of the 120mk1 with the signature refinement level of the A17. Ibasso, Sansa and Fiio are like another state. Some really bad like the original Colorfly are a whole other country.

Pono resides in another country, but in balanced mode it gets a Visa to come over and visit occasionally.

Btw, I actually think the AK380 sounded worse in balanced mode than SE. At least with the UERM.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on May 31, 2015, 04:52:27 AM
JBL M2s seem pretty interesting.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Griffon on May 31, 2015, 05:30:48 AM
Anax, would you please elaborate on AK Jr a bit?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on May 31, 2015, 05:41:38 AM
Anax, would you please elaborate on AK Jr a bit?

I will tomorrow when I get some energy back. What specifically were you curious about? As much as like it, I think it should be properly priced around $299, but hey, it's a different world these days. I suppose if a Yellow Toblerone can charge that much, the AK jr. is like downright stealing for it's fit, finish and sound by comparison.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Griffon on May 31, 2015, 05:57:20 AM
I will tomorrow when I get some energy back. What specifically were you curious about? As much as like it, I think it should be properly priced around $299, but hey, it's a different world these days. I suppose if a Yellow Toblerone can charge that much, the AK jr. is like downright stealing for it's fit, finish and sound by comparison.

I'm curious if you find the Jr to be occasionally bright and frequent soft in the sub-bass region?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: wnmnkh on May 31, 2015, 06:33:26 AM
JBL M2s seem pretty interesting.

It's pretty much the best speaker Harman ever produced, period. This is one of the reasons I have been trying to get a hand on JBL Pro 7 series (LSR 708 & 705) which is called baby M2.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: shaizada on May 31, 2015, 06:41:55 AM
LFF, take a listen to the Naim sound bar like thingy.  Goes for $1500 but it is stunning sounding!  It is in the Naim / Harbeth room.  Venice Audio room.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on May 31, 2015, 07:21:27 AM
I'm curious if you find the Jr to be occasionally bright and frequent soft in the sub-bass region?

I did
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: LFF on May 31, 2015, 08:20:04 AM
Best things I heard:

ALO Jupiter
HiFiMan 400s
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: schiit on May 31, 2015, 03:22:52 PM
It's pretty much the best speaker Harman ever produced, period. This is one of the reasons I have been trying to get a hand on JBL Pro 7 series (LSR 708 & 705) which is called baby M2.

The baby M2s are amazing (especially the 705)--we heard them at Harman the other day with Yggy as a DAC. And yeah, M2s are very very nice. Seems like the true believers at Harman are now on the JBL Pro side.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: burnspbesq on May 31, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
I'm curious if you find the Jr to be occasionally bright and frequent soft in the sub-bass region?

I didn't hear either of those things (and I listened to it with Noble PR in R mode, which is pretty revealing of treble issues), but ... when you say "sub-bass," what frequencies are you talking about? Because of the kind of music I listen to, I generally don't care much about what is going on below 41 Hz (the open fourth string on a bass tuned to A440); if there are strange things going on between 20 and 41, I might have heard them, but I wouldn't have taken note of them. My evaluation track for low bass is "From Ankara to Izmir" from the Jerry Douglas/Russ Barenberg/Edgar Meyer album, because of Meyer's insane bass solo, and that sounded just fine to me.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: abernardi on June 01, 2015, 03:05:38 AM
My favorites at Headphonium:

Campfire Lyra (not so blown away by the Jupiter)

Hifiman 400s were sweet, neutral with a warm low end that didn't interfere with the rest.  It's a low cost winner

Questyle DAP, R version... a little big and heavy, but handsome.  I actually like the user interface, it reminds me of my first ipod and the sound was quite good on the K10's and not too bad on the Ether cans.  I'd probably stick to iem's with it though.

Noble K10 is the first IEM I really love, WOW.  Warren insisted I listen to the Savant.  They were very good and probably priced right.  The Kaiser 10 had much better detail and the bass was downright seductive.

I spent about 30 min. on Friday with the Ragnarok/Yggy stack at the Schiit table with 4 different headphones and I wasn't really feeling it.  Nothing objectionable, but nothing to write home about, a little dry, a little lean.  But today I spent another 20 min and I think I started hearing what all the fuss is about.  There was an ease of presentation and I couldn't find any of the digital gremlins I've been noticing EVERYWHERE lately.  I'm assuming the shift came from having enough warm up time.  I'm still reserving judgment and need to hear it in my speaker system.  But this thing just might be the real deal.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on June 01, 2015, 05:29:15 AM
Favorites: ELAC Debut speakers and Riva (given it's features, versatility, and sound given constraints). Also the black Lambo Aventador at the lobby and a Ford GT at the Headphonium.

Did not hear the JBL M2s cuz the rep put on some S4700s and started pushing the bass driver to make the walls vibrate.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: LFF on June 01, 2015, 05:34:10 AM
Welp...I know what speakers I'm dreaming about tonight. ..
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on June 01, 2015, 05:40:48 AM
Well. Those were favorites at T.H.E. Show. I'm plenty happy with me Mackies right now :)p5
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 05:29:15 PM
Sony AR-xx speakers. Consistent sound. Didn't like the ampage this time around as much as two years ago when they used Nelson Pass stuff, since Pass is an audio god that can't fail. I like the tuning and box resonances are controlled. Much too expensive for what you get. Woofers too small. Lacks macro dynamics and also a bit constrained. Room is probably too big / too damped for them.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6WPV4lva7vSkvvM3W714dEvfnYP6O0ybm4_OEI8PMF4=w906-h679-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 05:35:20 PM
Sony PHA3 and ZX2. PHA3 (DAC+amp) has power, sounds clean, black blackground, smooth with no transistor nasties, refined, but makes everything slightly flat on the micro level. Keep in mind that 90% of solid-state sounds slightly flat on the micro level to me. The combo was excellent with the Sony Z7 Med/Almost High-Res headphones.

For some reason Z7 headphones sounded like shit directly from ZX2. Uncontrolled, treble nasties, raw, jumpy, etc. Seemed to lack power for the Z7. However, ZX2 without the PHA3 was more lively and more resolving.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NUOmmDOXeJ3Wqj5EE0WuOd4D95Ir8p8Z-SdlGlVO8Yc=w832-h624-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 05:39:37 PM
Plasma tweeter things. Please fire phasers or photon torpedos at my eardums. Fuck this shit. Needs bigger woofer too. Where is the woofer?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oTyApvuWqj4GHHWpLIuftYp8bg_d1EF4uplmalvyfWk=w1122-h841-no)

Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 05:43:21 PM
Questyle QP1. Sounded pretty good. Unfortunately only had PM-3 and Ether on hand (QP1 doesn't have enough juice to drive them. Mids and treble were great, bass was uncontrolled / dead.) As a DAC or for IEMs, might be fantastic. Only AK380 might have edged it out.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/nUNMpRtUoumTnLv7maDvObW2475yjDo0J1Oyp72BaUM=w1122-h841-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 05:53:48 PM
Yeah, bass is non issue with IEMs.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on June 01, 2015, 05:54:34 PM
Plasma tweeter things. Please fire phasers or photon torpedos at my eardums. Fuck this shit. Needs bigger woofer too. Where is the woofer?

LOL! My notes on that one was: "MBL bright". I think their show room last time was better. This time their mega blenders were not up to snuff.

Lots of rooms were pretty crapy this time around actually. More so than in the previous years going by memory.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 05:56:56 PM
Campfire Audio Jupiter and Lyra. The surprise of the show for me. Jupiter (Anax helped me roll some tips) was really nice. Possible new reference grade IEM to UERM (that's high praise). With the right tips, a tiny bit warmer, a tiny more laid back in the upper vocals, and more sparkly. Cleaner, clearer sounded too. The Lyra is a dynamic with superior timbre, but with some peakiness that Ken Ball said could be addressed with the right tips - comply foam.

What's ironic is I used to think stuff sold by ALO was too expensive. Hahaha, well I have to say that stuff from ALO is a great deal these days because all these other fuckers keep geometrically increasing their prices while ALO has held steady.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vH_XsrNDeUIHKGQigF4i-C-FzNqvYJUiD20zP4TJNmA=w1122-h841-no)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7cROaqlXBKWoohzSwYModQ5J2L1Wuu3dPbcLLMbvdyI=w1122-h841-no)


 
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:01:49 PM
HE-400S. Fantastic $299 deal from Anaxilus' mega transportable rig. Thank you HFM for offering great sounding affordable products normal people (that is people other than young Taiwanese, Chinese, or Korean kids with rich parents) can own.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xPff95NGxhFuYgzaQf88Ka2SWqc6bJOfG_oYO2SPvXs=w1122-h841-no)

Oh... Hi Jude. Glad you are here lurking as usual.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
Woo monoblocks. I don't have anything against Woo. In fact, I've recommend Woo to potential customers who I didn't feel would like the EC tube house sound. Still, this is a retarded physical UI.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HlEdJqi0uU9-iLzM9qDHqGDePWqF7Mi9xw7p0XGmk7c=w1122-h841-no)

Neato! I can run three different kinds of tubes with different plate resistances.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WHv_misSsu9chSWoggFd4dDolSTcrmJyKBb8O_l7IWo=w1122-h841-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
Positive Feedback room. Forgot what this setup was. Good sounding from 200Hz on up. Aren't rich audiophiles supposed to have big houses where big woofers aren't a concern, or where the WAF is not a factor?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gj-48pb4iv1ZQw_YyvDKJGnziJA6dQxca677C0Nw018=w1122-h841-no)

Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:16:13 PM
JBL M2. Really fucking nice. I assume this is trickle down from their K2. Big woofers for real audiophiles. Excellent horn design with nary a horn coloration. JBL Pro has really nailed it. Punchy, dynamic, clean. Probably could use a bigger room. Could probably sound even better with better ampage.

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11390095_1122376284445246_5042010478380481424_n.jpg?oh=374a172f36bab07da69d53256ade6757&oe=55EFCB06)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Madisound kit speakers. Heard the big SB Acoustics XmaX. Those in the market for a Wilson type speaker should consider this. Really good sounding and tuned for more moderate sized rooms. Still not cheap, and the cabinets are going to be a pain.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/myqDbKixUuOOryOl9FIoOr8iCn_ktKzdFbm5pxrZxxY=w1122-h841-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: No_One411 on June 01, 2015, 06:24:26 PM
HE-400S. Fantastic $299 deal from Anaxilus' mega transportable rig. Thank you HFM for offering great sounding affordable products normal people (that is people other than young Taiwanese, Chinese, or Korean kids with rich parents) can own.

Demoing the HE400S with the EF100 is not recommended. Anax's reaction was priceless. hahaha These sounded great from Luis's Rockboxed iPod though.

Dan walked over to take a listen and immediately pointed out that the Ether was more efficient...

I had a couple of brief moments to listen to some stuff while I wasn't busy working the HFM booth. Apparently my booth babes weren't too bad cause I received a couple of requests from random people asking if I could take a picture of them with Bri and Summer...

Dharma crossover was dropped back down to 8k? Seemed like it improved from the CanJam iteration. Still excited to see how it ends up.

ZMF's new Omni was a really nice work in progress. His new pads are oval and not squarish like the Alpha pads. Softer and more plush as well. Zach is also hella chill and a great guy to talk to.

ALO IEMs, particularly the Jupiter, all sounded really good, but I had a hard time getting a fit with the silicone tips, and the ALO cable was ergonomically one of the worst things ever. Thick and unyielding...

Alex's modded PMx2s also sounded really really good. It was really hard for me to nitpick anything. Nice guy to talk with too. He has a lot of interesting theories and is really passionate about his work.

Funniest moment of the event was when this mild-mannered, older gentleman was listening to the HE400S. When he wasn't happy with the (improved, yet still lacking) music selection, I assumed that was because we took off a lot of classical. To my surprise, he pulls out an A&K and starts blasting Eminem, loudly enough that Dan walked over and asked who was playing speakers...
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:24:36 PM
Open baffle speakers. Don't remember. Sounded good and nice / open like all dipoles. Woofers are the 12" from AE (OJ has a pair of the 15" versions). Scanspeak mid and tweeter? Wasn't familiar with the music (classical), and didn't have time to tell the dude to play something I knew, so hard to render reliable opinion.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vsM9ydIUFzvW9ScRxDXaKorFMNXkrDoU3-_PoYqmr7s=w1122-c-h841-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:30:57 PM
VIVA Egoista. No comment.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mZdU2FzmC4AekLae-0YOssj8zts-kkn3lGMYd9wf-S8=w1122-h841-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 01, 2015, 06:35:23 PM
VIVA Egoista. No comment.


LOL !  Give your impressions NOW !   (http://www.mariejulien.com/themes/lalietyosh/smilies/vl4.gif)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:36:15 PM
Silverline Audio Burrito Supreme speakers. I liked these quite a bit. Nice to see a three way with a mid dome and decent sized woofers. $10K. Not too bad price in the overall scheme of things. I'd buy them if I had money to spare, and I don't say that phrase often.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Sd9-TzmeUujJaDL-TMZYOmw9YcsWWdRNf4M2lvHGgC4=w1122-h841-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: zerodeefex on June 01, 2015, 06:42:56 PM
so, big question:

HE-400S vs Ether?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: No_One411 on June 01, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
so, big question:

HE-400S vs Ether?

Summer wouldn't let me take the prototype back home.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:46:57 PM
Synergistic Research tweaks. I run against the grain here (opposed to burns, OJ, and Anax's earlier experience, but then again the comparison here was two stacks: one stock and the other with the full SR treatment), but I prefer the STOCK setup. The stock setup sounded more resolving and open to me. Luis smiled when I told him that.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p-cqjLeTk_R6AE3YVtnPvi53IJ7jeqxs4TSmxeXLusM=w1122-c-h841-no)

I even tried the SR plug thing by itself. Hard to say. Placebo or nocebo effect possible since go close. But I felt stock without the SR plug sounded better a tiny bit, or maybe different. The SR plug seemed to increase blackground, but at expense of fine detail.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OsKTJ5oEipIBkXm-XOMUiCT11lRiDREknjrRprNhm3M=w1122-h841-no)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on June 01, 2015, 06:49:17 PM
VIVA Egoista. No comment.
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OMG you heard this shit too!  :)p13 :)p13 :)p13 :)p13

Open baffle speakers. Don't remember. Sounded good and nice / open like all dipoles. Woofers are the 12" from AE (OJ has a pair of the 15" versions). Scanspeak mid and tweeter? Wasn't familiar with the music (classical), and didn't have time to tell the dude to play something I knew, so hard to render reliable opinion.

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These were really damn good. Got to listen with my own music. Very impressed but value isn't there if you're a cheap-ass DIYer

Synergistic Research tweaks. I run against the grain here (opposed to burns, OJ, and Anax's earlier experience, but then again the comparison was against two stacks one stock and the other with the full SR treatment), but I prefer the STOCK setup. The stock setup sounded more resolving and open to me. Luis smiled when I told him that.
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I even tried the SR plug thing by itself. Hard to say. Placebo or nocebo effect possible since go close. But I felt stock without the SR plug sounded better a tiny bit, or maybe different. The SR plug seemed to increase blackground, but at expense of fine detail.

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I thought the same thing although I hate to think that there was a difference at all. The "tweaked" one was warmer and more congested. I think they have that little grounding box where they run all the signals that fucks it up.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:50:42 PM

LOL !  Give your impressions NOW !   (http://www.mariejulien.com/themes/lalietyosh/smilies/vl4.gif)

Ask Anaxilus. If you have a DNA Stratus coming in, rest assured, you aren't missing anything.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on June 01, 2015, 06:53:48 PM
Campfire Audio Jupiter and Lyra. The surprise of the show for me. Jupiter (Anax helped me roll some tips) was really nice. Possible new reference grade IEM to UERM (that's high praise). With the right tips, a tiny bit warmer, a tiny more laid back in the upper vocals, and more sparkly. Cleaner, clearer sounded too. The Lyra is a dynamic with superior timbre, but with some peakiness that Ken Ball said could be addressed with the right tips - comply foam.

What's ironic is I used to think stuff sold by ALO was too expensive. Hahaha, well I have to say that stuff from ALO is a great deal these days because all these other fuckers keep geometrically increasing their prices while ALO has held steady.
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Going to have to diverge here. I thought the Jupiter was kinda effed up sounding. I think audiofrk heard some of the issues that I was picking up on. I did think the Lyra was better although I'm not really into the "full-bodied" IEM sound.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 01, 2015, 06:55:48 PM
That's why you need Anax to roll tips for you.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on June 01, 2015, 06:57:31 PM
That's why you need Anax to roll tips for you.

You don't know where those have been.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: zerodeefex on June 01, 2015, 07:02:59 PM
That's why I bring a blacklight to shows
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 07:37:07 PM
Lyra full bodied IEM sound? Into which orifice are you inserting them? God I swear, you speaker and headphone people with IEMs.... facepalm
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Griffon on June 01, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
I didn't hear either of those things (and I listened to it with Noble PR in R mode, which is pretty revealing of treble issues), but ... when you say "sub-bass," what frequencies are you talking about? Because of the kind of music I listen to, I generally don't care much about what is going on below 41 Hz (the open fourth string on a bass tuned to A440); if there are strange things going on between 20 and 41, I might have heard them, but I wouldn't have taken note of them. My evaluation track for low bass is "From Ankara to Izmir" from the Jerry Douglas/Russ Barenberg/Edgar Meyer album, because of Meyer's insane bass solo, and that sounded just fine to me.

Haven't heard Noble PR so no comment on this. Basically I think we're talking about the same "sub-bass", and I feel my AK Jr has an inconsistant issue in that region. I can be a very happy man without worrying too much about the sub-bass (and the occasional brightness) in this Jr-UERM combo, just want to report my finding. May be the source recording/mastering problems I've never heard before, but I suspect the Jr the most.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Haven't heard Noble PR so no comment on this. Basically I think we're talking about the same "sub-bass", and I feel my AK Jr has an inconsistant issue in that region. I can be a very happy man without worrying too much about the sub-bass (and the occasional brightness) in this Jr-UERM combo, just want to report my finding. May be the source recording/mastering problems I've never heard before, but I suspect the Jr the most.

Do you know if you had ProEQ on? I know myself and Paul had it enabled. Without it, it can sound a bit more clinical. Even then, it's not the last word in refinement and performance. It's a $500 AK DAP that should be priced between $250-$300 whose biggest strength is build quality and UI.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Armaegis on June 01, 2015, 08:03:30 PM
Plasma tweeter things. Please fire phasers or photon torpedos at my eardums. Fuck this shit. Needs bigger woofer too. Where is the woofer?
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I'm pretty sure those are Daleks...
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 08:05:41 PM
I'm pretty sure those are Daleks...


Pretty sure you have a dream crab on your face right now.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 01, 2015, 08:10:33 PM
Ask Anaxilus. If you have a DNA Stratus coming in, rest assured, you aren't missing anything.



I never planned to buy this Egoïsta so I was not afraid to miss something but I hear and read a lot of praise  currently on french forum so I'm a bit surprised. It's a very hyped product here so as I am for every hyped product I was doubttul  but  I didn't expect it could be so bad.  p:8

If OJ, You or Anax could devellop a bit, I'd be really interested to know what do you seriously think . Thus far , I've always found that my ears confirmed what I read from you guys ;)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 08:15:32 PM
Murky, soft, unresolving, undynamic. The Heed integrated sounded better.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 01, 2015, 08:19:28 PM
Murky, soft, unresolving, undynamic. The Heed integrated sounded better.

sexy....
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Sorrodje on June 01, 2015, 08:23:07 PM
 What was the headphone used ?  popcorn


I'm really surprised because a friend of mine who owned and heard several EC amps ( the Balancing Act with PX4 + BGRP was his favourite amp)  just bought the Egoista and told me it was the best amp he heard (for his Abyss) . Usually I trust him near as much as I trust you so... I'm a bit embarrassed.  :-S
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Griffon on June 01, 2015, 08:29:22 PM
Do you know if you had ProEQ on? I know myself and Paul had it enabled. Without it, it can sound a bit more clinical. Even then, it's not the last word in refinement and performance. It's a $500 AK DAP that should be priced between $250-$300 whose biggest strength is build quality and UI.

Ok I don't have the proEQ on and I think the Jr's sonic is not redeemable by proEQ. But as a small compromised package of DAC and DAP, I'm sold. If Sony ZX1 can be on the Pyrate Leaderboard the Jr should as be on. It's cheaper and sonically better.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 08:30:17 PM
What was the headphone used ?  popcorn

HE1000 and HE560. Doesn't matter, both sounded better with the Heed amp/DAC. If it's not the Viva amp, there has to be something seriously wrong somewhere upstream to do that.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 08:31:16 PM
The ZX1 is on the leaderboard??? I didn't do it. Who did that?

If I recall, I think it made it because it has a polished build and UI with passable SQ at a not so passable price. I'd advocate the AK Jr. in it's place. Though it's possible the ZX2 sounds better than both IME, but it's again more $$.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Tari on June 01, 2015, 08:38:29 PM
Positive Feedback room. Forgot what this setup was. Good sounding from 200Hz on up. Aren't rich audiophiles supposed to have big houses where big woofers aren't a concern, or where the WAF is not a factor?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gj-48pb4iv1ZQw_YyvDKJGnziJA6dQxca677C0Nw018=w1122-h841-no)

EA MMMicroones with Playback Designs IPS-3 all-in-one DAC/Preamp/Amp.  Speakers were great steal at 2K with stands, not as much since they raised it to 4K.  All-in-one by Koch and co is 13K.

Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 01, 2015, 08:47:29 PM
At $6K I know what small footprint speaker I'd get. Audio Physic Scorpio 25+. No question.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Ringingears on June 01, 2015, 09:07:10 PM
LOL! My notes on that one was: "MBL bright". I think their show room last time was better. This time their mega blenders were not up to snuff.

Lots of rooms were pretty crapy this time around actually. More so than in the previous years going by memory.

I remember reading a Stereophile review on the MBL 101. If I recall it took the guy several weeks to get them set up and I'm not sure he liked them all that much. I think they also measured strangely.  But, they made it onto Class A. ?  I heard at a showroom once. Same impression. Bright. Did you think they needed more bass?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on June 01, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
I think they needed more midrange, and yes, more bass. The room was not that small if I remember correctly. They were playing it pretty loud which makes tone issues fairly apparent. It could also be a bad recording, but doubt it.

EDIT: Just saw the measurements at Stereophile (http://www.stereophile.com/content/mbl-radialstrahler-101e-mkii-loudspeaker-measurements). The measurements there don't look too bad at all. Dunno. Don't think that's what I heard. Maybe something was weird with their setup or their music. One thing that may be happening is that these are omnis and the high frequencies may be adding up from reflected sound differently than with classic speakers. I remember reading about this when they measured the Mirage stuff. Possible anechoic chamber measurements don't apply here. Who knows. (I do have the Mirage nanosats and may one day measure them in all sorts of crazy fashions).

As far as hearing them before, I think I got confused. These were not it, it was the Muraudio PX1 (impressions from the 2014 show: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1615.msg42939.html#msg42939). If blenders are one's thing, I felt the PX1s were moar bettar.

EDIT2: LOL! The Muraudio dudes had curtains all over the place (reduce reflections) if I remember correctly and from the pics I took. These guys did not. Maybe that was one of the differentiators. Maybe this type of speakers require you treat all your walls?

I'll post some pics later today. But there were also some pretty bassy setups such as the Rockport's Avior. The dude at JBL with the S4700 was just ridiculous. Not sure WTF he was doing but I was hearing more the walls of the room pleading for mercy. Even the other reps were outside saying the JBL dude lost his mind. It was at the end of the show so maybe he was just monkeying around.

The Sonus Faber Extrema didn't seem to bad to me BTW. These an the ELACs where decent. The Sonys were OK. But as Marv said, the room was proly too large. Quad 57s were also decent with the stuff they were playing.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Armaegis on June 01, 2015, 09:51:05 PM
Pretty sure you have a dream crab on your face right now.


http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=108
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Griffon on June 02, 2015, 12:14:26 AM
The ZX1 is on the leaderboard??? I didn't do it. Who did that?

If I recall, I think it made it because it has a polished build and UI with passable SQ at a not so passable price. I'd advocate the AK Jr. in it's place. Though it's possible the ZX2 sounds better than both IME, but it's again more $$.

I think Jr can be qualified  to replace zx1.

On a side note, I've heard Cypher Labs Piccolo at the HF Calgary meet, and I think it's good, but should be priced ~300 USD. I'm also surprised that I liked Yulong D200. AT R70x and MSR7 sounded shit to me.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on June 02, 2015, 01:03:21 AM
Lyra full bodied IEM sound? Into which orifice are you inserting them? God I swear, you speaker and headphone people with IEMs.... facepalm

Well I always insert things as deep as possible for max isolation. And that's how they sound.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 02, 2015, 01:12:34 AM
Well I always insert things as deep as possible for max isolation. And that's how they sound.

Maybe with whatever tips you used....

This is why I always use wide bore silicone tips that are as open as possible first to let me hear what the driver can do. Then use other tips to adjust the FR via acoustics. You really missed out. I'll hook you up on the 27th.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: anetode on June 02, 2015, 01:23:45 AM
EDIT: Just saw the measurements at Stereophile (http://www.stereophile.com/content/mbl-radialstrahler-101e-mkii-loudspeaker-measurements). The measurements there don't look too bad at all. Dunno. Don't think that's what I heard. Maybe something was weird with their setup or their music. One thing that may be happening is that these are omnis and the high frequencies may be adding up from reflected sound differently than with classic speakers. I remember reading about this when they measured the Mirage stuff. Possible anechoic chamber measurements don't apply here. Who knows. (I do have the Mirage nanosats and may one day measure them in all sorts of crazy fashions).

As far as hearing them before, I think I got confused. These were not it, it was the Muraudio PX1 (impressions from the 2014 show: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1615.msg42939.html#msg42939). If blenders are one's thing, I felt the PX1s were moar bettar.

EDIT2: LOL! The Muraudio dudes had curtains all over the place (reduce reflections) if I remember correctly and from the pics I took. These guys did not. Maybe that was one of the differentiators. Maybe this type of speakers require you treat all your walls?

Yeah, those MBLs were made for ballrooms, the outdoors or anechoic chambers. Not the real world.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Ringingears on June 02, 2015, 01:31:29 AM
Maybe with whatever tips you used....

This is why I always use wide bore silicone tips that are as open as possible first to let me hear what the driver can do. Then use other tips to adjust the FR via acoustics. You really missed out. I'll hook you up on the 27th

This post could be so misconstrued.  :)p8
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Jeff Y on June 02, 2015, 02:45:12 AM
I think Jr can be qualified  to replace zx1.

I've seen complaints that the Jr's got a really slow response speed (screen, loading music, etc) and a screen that is hard to navigate on because it's so small. Can anyone comment on that please?
Jr's a disappointment for me personally because it does not have an optical out or coaxial out like many other DAPs or A&K DAPs out there. :p It may be just me though.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: takato14 on June 02, 2015, 03:18:29 AM
Really excited for the HE-400S. I might've just found my first HiFiMAN.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Griffon on June 02, 2015, 04:57:33 AM
I've seen complaints that the Jr's got a really slow response speed (screen, loading music, etc) and a screen that is hard to navigate on because it's so small. Can anyone comment on that please?
Jr's a disappointment for me personally because it does not have an optical out or coaxial out like many other DAPs or A&K DAPs out there. :p It may be just me though.

Sluggish response but easy to navigate. I just have some 3000 tracks on the Jr and I don't feel a problem. BTW if I don't disable all the Android shit on ZX1 the response is pretty same sluggish. I find the UI on DAPs like iBasso, Fiio, and Calyx M are shit. YMMV.

And I don't get why you want so many connectivities on a DAP. As long as it has a line out and sounds good I don't give a shit about connectivities.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: audiofrk on June 02, 2015, 04:59:07 AM
Going to have to diverge here. I thought the Jupiter was kinda effed up sounding. I think audiofrk heard some of the issues that I was picking up on. I did think the Lyra was better although I'm not really into the "full-bodied" IEM sound.

agreed using my gear and the comply tips the jupiter had this weird signature that pulled up the mids and brought down the highs till they were in this congested area.  It was apparent with duets but very hard to pick out with orchestral ensembles.  The lyra had good bass without being warm  (comply tips)  I didn't really feel it being laid back and the detail was good when A/Bing with the UERMs.  Though on both iems when listening to Beethoven's moonlight sonata I noticed that the notes were distorting, I took note of this as I had earlier rolled my eyes in a speaker demonstration when the salesman said that it was difficult to reproduce piano notes.  Today I was using the same stack with my UERMs and I remember that I didn't check its piano notes, sure enough no distortion maybe the campfire stuff needs to be broken in?  Near as I can tell the low notes and the high notes (on the piano) are overlapping so some more depth should solve it, but I would need to check them again.

Two side notes 1.  when A/B the jupiter/lyra I noticed that the lyra liked it when I increased the gain then volume match while the jupiter had no room on the knob if I increased the gain. 2. listening to my gear today I noticed that its brighter than before, don't know why I am perceiving this now but its slightly brighter than I remembered.


Most improved award:  the nighthawk, heard it out of the ayre codex, like it much more that out of the hugo (canjam).  I could hear the mids and tremble this time but the bass still feels likes its on the edge of distorting.  OJ said that it was speakerlike and I see his point but to me it was like taking a picture with a fisheye lens sure you try to stuff more in to the picture but it looks unnatural same thing with these they do have some similarities with the speaker output but try to stuff them into a headphone feels unnatural.  but I think some people might like these, if they can get over the fact that they are a huge increase in price from the hd650.   

Really excited for the HE-400S. I might've just found my first HiFiMAN.

me too!!! very exited to pit these against the hd600/650.  very close to the ether (carbon/yggy) in tonality but the he-400s (picollo/rwimod) had clear disadvantage, my stack!!  Oh on the ether I like the presentation (tremble, mids, bass)  but it still feels 2d dimensional and lacking in dynamics even with that awsome setup not endgame stuff. 
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: abernardi on June 02, 2015, 05:05:09 AM
The show this year was a mixed bag for me.  The main thing I came away with is it costs SERIOUS money to get great sound and I'm not sure it's possible to get truly great sound reproduction from anything other than a tape or vinyl source. 
I hate saying that because I've been committed to making digital work for quite a while, but everything I heard at the show that was sourced from digital had noticeable distortion with certain material that I'm not sure how to label.  It was most noticeable in big symphonic works, choirs, sustained high violins, all in the upper frequencies, it usually has one or more of the following qualities: glare, peakiness, congestion, hardness/grain, hash, even over-modulation.  I talked with many people about this at the show and I got as many opinions, really, everyone had a different take on it.  Luis says it's the mastering.  That at least sounds more down to earth than some of the things I was hearing, solar flares, planet alignments and such, so I'll go with that for now.... I left unsure what to do next with my system.  Putting that little tantrum aside, these are the rooms stood out to me:

Hifi One's room was only better than average to my ear (you can see most of it on their website, if you look at the reference system: rbhifi1.com) but when they used the Sonorus reel-reel deck as the source, it suddenly was the best room at the show.  Arian Jansen rebuilds a Revox tape deck (only $27K!  :)p13), adds something he calls a proximity subwoofer and remasters tapes from multi-channel sources ($200 a pop).  The most prevalent characteristic was size - big, wide, deep and engrossing, sort of like the MBL rooms, but good.  More realistic and natural.  I won't pretend to understand it, but I'll try to give a simplistic description of what he told me he does:  He takes multi-channel sources and through his own proprietary process creates a two track 1/4 reel-reel tape that produces much of the same effect.  I doubt he can mimic 5.1 discreet channels, but it's more about recreating the ambiance of the recording space and the reality of the recorded material.  And it does that convincingly.  The soundstage is HUGE.  But more than that, everything is right there, no matter how softly or loudly, it's uncannily real.  He also has a little 8" subwoofer that isn't used to reinforce or extend bass.  He says it's used to "condition" the room.  To be honest, I couldn't quite grasp what he was talking about.  It had something to do with harmonics.  It got a bit nutty professor when he tried to explain that while there are even and odd harmonics, 2,4,8, etc... 3,5,7, etc... everyone forgets about the zero harmonic.  Can someone explain that to me?  Anyway, whatever it was, it floored me.

Purist Audio Design was my second favorite room.  They had these little floor standers that pressurized the room perfectly.  The digital source had problems to my ear, but the $50,000 turntable into these little monsters was amazing.  I think we played some Berlioz?  I can't remember, but it was a huge symphonic orchestra and I was as close to a real symphony as I've ever been without actually being there.

I really liked the Silverline Bolero speakers and agree, at 10K, they're a good deal.

Vinnie Rossi had his Lio "all-in-one" box there driving a pair of Harbeth Super HL5 (I think) speakers.  It was so good, I was sorely tempted to dump my whole system and just simplify.  If you're not familiar with him, he was Red Wine Audio and worked a lot with battery powered amps.  This one doesn't have batteries, but it has a bank of 20 or so ultra-capacitors.  It sounded fine at Canjam, but on the Harbeth's it was outstanding. 

Channel Island Audio: Duffy had some prototype bookshelf speakers that were really great looking with some kind of proprietary tweeter with a cool looking waveguide.  BIG presentation, smooth, detailed and said they'll probably be $2K, I think that's a bargain.  I couldn't find anything wrong with this room.  Best I've heard from him to date.

I heard the Meridian MQA demo and I'm still not ready to make a judgement on it.  I'm not familiar with their speaker system, so I wasn't sure what I was hearing.  I kind of liked what I heard and there was certainly something unique in the sound.  Very controlled is what mostly comes to mind.  Whether I was hearing something closer to the Master or as they say, drilling all the way back to the microphones… I'm skeptical.  I'd need to hear it on my system or one I'm familiar with.  I have high hopes for this though.  Not so much for the compression, which is great, but more for the promise of actual Master quality.

The Elac/Andrew Jones $229 bookshelf speakers really are amazing.  I thought his budget pioneer bookshelf was fine, and a great value, but this one went well beyond that one in sound quality and it's good looking too.  I think Elac is primarily an AMT speaker manufacturer and I'm pretty sure Andrew isn't interested in working with that, so it will be interesting to see if they have two separate lines, or if they throw all in with Jones.

I did take a quick listen to that VIVA Egoista amp and figured it sounded so bad because they had just turned it on and it needed to warm up.  But I have to say, it still sounded better to my ears than that Heed integrated, maybe that had to warm up too.  Or maybe I had to warm up...


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vsM9ydIUFzvW9ScRxDXaKorFMNXkrDoU3-_PoYqmr7s=w1122-c-h841-no)
I wasn't as taken as some of you guys with these speakers.  I thought they were a bit harsh.  But did you guys notice that huge ugly box in the middle was a complete system in one box.  I think all you needed was an outlet and speaker wires.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 02, 2015, 05:43:41 AM
Jupiter is basically tuned like an improved IE800. Similar curve. However, it has depth, body to images, better space and clarity. It still has the low/sub bass enhancement which can be a bit much depending on your tastes.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 02, 2015, 05:48:49 AM
I've seen complaints that the Jr's got a really slow response speed (screen, loading music, etc) and a screen that is hard to navigate on because it's so small. Can anyone comment on that please?
Jr's a disappointment for me personally because it does not have an optical out or coaxial out like many other DAPs or A&K DAPs out there. :p It may be just me though.

I didn't have any issues with that. Maybe I use better sd cards than those people. My test card is a Sandisk 64gb Ultra. It was pretty obvious to me the AKs are using faster processors than most of the competitors (AK380 even more so). The Questyles could vastly improve here with faster processing, larger fonts/screen, more responsive controls. Then again, not sure how production ready their firmware was.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 02, 2015, 06:05:13 AM
agreed using my gear and the comply tips the jupiter had this weird signature that pulled up the mids and brought down the highs till they were in this congested area.  It was apparent with duets but very hard to pick out with orchestral ensembles.  The lyra had good bass without being warm  (comply tips)  I didn't really feel it being laid back and the detail was good when A/Bing with the UERMs.  Though on both iems when listening to Beethoven's moonlight sonata I noticed that the notes were distorting, I took note of this as I had earlier rolled my eyes in a speaker demonstration when the salesman said that it was difficult to reproduce piano notes.  Today I was using the same stack with my UERMs and I remember that I didn't check its piano notes, sure enough no distortion maybe the campfire stuff needs to be broken in?  Near as I can tell the low notes and the high notes (on the piano) are overlapping so some more depth should solve it, but I would need to check them again.


That sounds like a combination of things. Possibly poor fit with complys and/or the complys doing weird things and they get crushed in your ear canal. I really don't like the sound effect of complys and would only recommend them for taming treble happy phones.

The other thing is if you know the IE800 sig, you know the bass can appear to be somewhat neutral. However, once anything below around 80hz shows up it massive overload. Similar thing here with the Jupiter. This could be the cause of low notes blending with highs on a piano. Coupled with the single dynamic driver maybe not being as articulate and fast as a multi BA.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Schopenhauer on June 02, 2015, 07:15:00 AM
Any impressions of JDS's new Element DAC/amp?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: AZ on June 02, 2015, 07:33:09 AM
@No_One411 It's a rare pleasure meeting a musician who not only played with one of the world's top orchestra but who also is a very knowledgeable audiophile. I was surprised that such a young fellow ;-) could understand equally well modern trends in both live music and sound reproduction. Hifiman are very lucky having you on their side.
   I stopped commenting on the sound of other headphones but can still recommend everyone interested in a quality sound reproduction to audition newest offerings from Hifiman, Mr.Speakers and ZMF. Had to stay at my booth pretty much the whole four days therefore couldn't really dedicate much time on listening to what was on offer in a speaker land.
   At every audio show in the past I used to try and listen to the sound of every single exhibitor with my own test tracks. So far I only heard maybe a handful of good sounding rooms. This time a friend of mine whose expertise I trust told me to visit a few rooms he thought sounded good and I found one to be true. A new loudspeaker manufacturer from Hawaii JWM had a pair of bookshelf loudspeakers on display that sounded great from 250Hz on up. Some issues below that and probably a bit more refinement up top but the essence, midrange was exemplary good. The room could have been the cause of some LF issues. Also listened to the JBL M2s and found nothing to write home about. Found no glaring flaws but audition was short and I had no desire in making it longer. Maybe upstream gear was the issue?
   Highlight of the show was Lyn Stanley singing live at the lobby. Was only able to hear one song: "Cry me a river" but performance was simply awesome. Another highlight, believe it or not was Darin's Out of Your Head and not the software itself as I learned it fairly well over the years. What truly amazed me was reaction of listeners.
   Let me explain: there wasn't many interested parties around my own table so I pretty much had to stare at what was going on at Darin's during all four days ;-). I didn't count but there must have been at least few hundred listeners and pretty much everyone was shocked by the OOYH demo, like if they were experiencing a virtual reality headset. Setting up a hidden camera could be very entertaining ;-). I actually can't remember seeing one single person who wasn't astounded by it.
    I know about this software from before it was even in beta, always thought it was a great product and should be hugely successful but this was a first time I saw a proof of success with my own eyes. On Sunday, when pretty much everyone was already gone Darin had two more sales.... ! Cudos to you man and hope more people will spread a word.
   Overall this was a good show and it was great talking to some of the pirates and industry insiders. Hope to see you all next time.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 02, 2015, 08:37:04 AM
No. While the upstream gear on the JBL M2's wasn't the greatest, it was sufficient to discern the capabilities of the speakers. Maybe you didn't know the tracks used or were having other issues. Their superior crystal clarity, resolving ability, low end performance, and micro and macro dynamic articulation were obviously superior to any planar based rig at The Show. Combined with a lack of horn coloration, treble artifacts or mid-range wonkiness they showed great balance and deft for a hybrid horn/dynamic rig let alone most of the competitors there.

Maybe you could be more specific about what "nothing to write home about" means exactly.

@Schopenhauer; Nope, didn't get a chance. Is it supposed to better than the ODAC/O2? Maybe I'm just confused about what would need to be improved within the audible band. :& I have to say, chasing the number of zeroes in your distortion figures is an old and tired ploy that usually doesn't bode well in subjective listening. I'll check it out if I remember at a later date.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: RexAeterna on June 02, 2015, 12:19:07 PM
Positive Feedback room. Forgot what this setup was. Good sounding from 200Hz on up. Aren't rich audiophiles supposed to have big houses where big woofers aren't a concern, or where the WAF is not a factor?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gj-48pb4iv1ZQw_YyvDKJGnziJA6dQxca677C0Nw018=w1122-h841-no)



Most rich audiophiles are the "WAF" themselves. They can't incorporate big ugly speakers in their homes. Just will never happen. They'll have a heart attack.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 02, 2015, 01:41:31 PM
Harbeth. Some three way. BBC style thin wall cabinets? Seriously? Bullshit. I don't know these fuckers can turn a such design weakness into a "feature". Everything in the universe resonates, so we are going to make cabinets that resonate the right way? WTF? Did the Sheriff of Nottingham burn down all the forests in the UK?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: RexAeterna on June 02, 2015, 09:31:15 PM
JBL M2. Really fucking nice. I assume this is trickle down from their K2. Big woofers for real audiophiles. Excellent horn design with nary a horn coloration. JBL Pro has really nailed it. Punchy, dynamic, clean. Probably could use a bigger room. Could probably sound even better with better ampage.

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11390095_1122376284445246_5042010478380481424_n.jpg?oh=374a172f36bab07da69d53256ade6757&oe=55EFCB06)

They kinda do look close together. The wave guide reminds of the giant wave guide horns with that was used in conjunction with the 4648 dual 15" bass cabs for theaters. It's good though they're bringing back large monitors. I know altec Lansing brought back the famous large a7's(I have like the pro versions of the a7's) that studios use to use a lot. They even hung those 160lb bohemeths from ceilings.altec sells the reissued and improved a7's for 5000 a piece though so it'll be 10k for a pair so they're close to the m2's pricing.

I also would assume they'll need good power behind them. Jbl woofers can take a pounding and are made to take more they are rated for. At that show they probably use some other amp then usual for them when they show them off usually. They're usually driven by crown i-tech amps.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: LFF on June 02, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Nice...reminds me of the good ol' JBL designs...


(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kxbfSodPxwQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 02, 2015, 10:13:11 PM
Vintage JBL > Harbeth.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: LFF on June 02, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Vintage JBL > Harbeth.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: altrunox on June 02, 2015, 11:43:07 PM
How easy is to power the HE400S?
Does it need a super great amp or is something like the PM3?
 
I remember that I saw a poster saying that they can even be used with the smarthphone output alone.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 02, 2015, 11:53:29 PM
How easy is to power the HE400S?
Does it need a super great amp or is something like the PM3?
 
I remember that I saw a poster saying that they can even be used with the smarthphone output alone.

Sounded great from my Leckerton.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Zach915m on June 03, 2015, 12:14:36 AM
Hey Guys - it was great to meet some of you at THE show!

As usual I loved hearing LFF's stuff at Darin's table (btw Darin I'm gonna definitely recommend that software to many people, it's sweeeet), the PMx's From Audio Zenith which are always stunning and a plethora of other phones.  I was next to the ALO table which was an absolute pleasure too with all their new gear.

Anyways, just wanted to say thanks for stopping by, Marv/Anax, you guys are chillers!
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: maverickronin on June 03, 2015, 12:39:51 AM
I didn't have any issues with that. Maybe I use better sd cards than those people. My test card is a Sandisk 64gb Ultra. It was pretty obvious to me the AKs are using faster processors than most of the competitors (AK380 even more so). The Questyles could vastly improve here with faster processing, larger fonts/screen, more responsive controls. Then again, not sure how production ready their firmware was.

It's probably shity coding.  There's just no excuse for pretty much anything short of building the database to not be instant and even that should be done in the background and let you browse the directory structure in the meantime.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 03, 2015, 12:49:02 AM
Hey Guys - it was great to meet some of you at THE show!

As usual I loved hearing LFF's stuff at Darin's table (btw Darin I'm gonna definitely recommend that software to many people, it's sweeeet), the PMx's From Audio Zenith which are always stunning and a plethora of other phones.  I was next to the ALO table which was an absolute pleasure too with all their new gear.

Anyways, just wanted to say thanks for stopping by, Marv/Anax, you guys are chillers!

Hey Zach! Good job on the Blackwood! Nice meetin' ya for the first time.

It's probably shity coding.  There's just no excuse for pretty much anything short of building the database to not be instant and even that should be done in the background and let you browse the directory structure in the meantime.

That's certainly part of it. I know during the sdxc changeover, the new revision of sdxc format added another pin because the higher capacity cards would take too long to access otherwise. I have seen cheapy 64gb cards that not up to proper spec so I would not be surprised if that was a contributor.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Out Of Your Head on June 03, 2015, 02:01:05 AM
Another highlight, believe it or not was Darin's Out of Your Head and not the software itself as I learned it fairly well over the years. What truly amazed me was reaction of listeners.
   Let me explain: there wasn't many interested parties around my own table so I pretty much had to stare at what was going on at Darin's during all four days ;-). I didn't count but there must have been at least few hundred listeners and pretty much everyone was shocked by the OOYH demo, like if they were experiencing a virtual reality headset. Setting up a hidden camera could be very entertaining ;-). I actually can't remember seeing one single person who wasn't astounded by it.
    I know about this software from before it was even in beta, always thought it was a great product and should be hugely successful but this was a first time I saw a proof of success with my own eyes. On Sunday, when pretty much everyone was already gone Darin had two more sales.... ! Cudos to you man and hope more people will spread a word.

Thanks for posting that Alex. That's the main reason I like doing the trade shows. I love watching the reactions from people to something I created. That makes it worth it even if I don't make any money.
. I was explaining about speaker and room measurements but was trying to use lay-person's terms to keep it simple and not too technical. Then I looked down at his badge and it said "Sean Olive from Harman"! facepalm  I said, "Are you really Sean Olive? Ummm, nevermind. Just ignore everything I just said." I felt like such an idiot trying to explain speaker measurements to Sean Olive...jeez. He was super nice about it and at least he said he really liked my software. (Can you say "testimonial"?)

As usual I loved hearing LFF's stuff at Darin's table (btw Darin I'm gonna definitely recommend that software to many people, it's sweeeet)
Thanks Zach. Great to see you again. Thanks for checking out my software. I wish I had more time to check out your headphones. Hopefully next time.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on June 03, 2015, 02:12:59 AM
Did you guys hear Zach's new Omni? I thought it was the best of the bunch
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Marvey on June 03, 2015, 02:22:51 AM
almost. more open, almost everything better, but peaky in treble. i'm sure Zach fix it. Hans giving him feedback, so I'm sure it will turn out well.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: OJneg on June 03, 2015, 02:26:40 AM
Hans giving him feedback,

Uh oh  :-0

Jk buddy
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Hands on June 03, 2015, 02:44:47 AM
LOL Imma fuck shit up!
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Azteca X on June 03, 2015, 01:45:26 PM
Then I looked down at his badge and it said "Sean Olive from Harman"! facepalm  I said, "Are you really Sean Olive? Ummm, nevermind. Just ignore everything I just said." I felt like such an idiot trying to explain speaker measurements to Sean Olive...jeez. He was super nice about it and at least he said he really liked my software. (Can you say "testimonial"?)

I would feel a little silly too but that is awesome. Sean Olive knows his shit up, down and sideways. Pat yourself on the back.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: audiofrk on June 03, 2015, 09:36:06 PM
That sounds like a combination of things. Possibly poor fit with complys and/or the complys doing weird things and they get crushed in your ear canal. I really don't like the sound effect of complys and would only recommend them for taming treble happy phones.

The other thing is if you know the IE800 sig, you know the bass can appear to be somewhat neutral. However, once anything below around 80hz shows up it massive overload. Similar thing here with the Jupiter. This could be the cause of low notes blending with highs on a piano. Coupled with the single dynamic driver maybe not being as articulate and fast as a multi BA.


 I actually only heard the ie800 once, with the ak120 and only for 10 seconds thats how long it took me to take them off they were so harsh.  Both have there following so I just took it to be a bad synergy. I never had a chance to listen to the ak120 or ie800 again.

I think you might be on to something with the tips.  I don't think its the driver as the Jupiter is a 4-way balance armerature and the Lyra is a dynamic but both had this issue.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: DaveBSC on June 03, 2015, 09:42:24 PM
Harbeth. Some three way. BBC style thin wall cabinets? Seriously? Bullshit. I don't know these fuckers can turn a such design weakness into a "feature". Everything in the universe resonates, so we are going to make cabinets that resonate the right way? WTF? Did the Sheriff of Nottingham burn down all the forests in the UK?

$13K/pr for the M40.1. Buzz box cabinet, and such severe diffraction that it's impossible to use in rooms that aren't giant scale. Seems reasonable, if you think the LS3/5 was the greatest speaker ever made, as Harbeth seems to. The front and rear panels are also just screwed in place, Harbeth doesn't bother to glue them.

(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/harbeth4/17.jpg)
(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/harbeth4/8.jpg)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: audiofrk on June 03, 2015, 09:42:46 PM
Zach since when are you on changstar ?  its great having you, and it was nice to finally meet you.
As usual I loved hearing LFF's stuff at Darin's table

We don't tell him that dude, it goes straight to his neon apple.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 05, 2015, 08:36:51 PM
Synergistic Research tweaks. I run against the grain here (opposed to burns, OJ, and Anax's earlier experience, but then again the comparison here was two stacks: one stock and the other with the full SR treatment), but I prefer the STOCK setup. The stock setup sounded more resolving and open to me. Luis smiled when I told him that.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p-cqjLeTk_R6AE3YVtnPvi53IJ7jeqxs4TSmxeXLusM=w1122-c-h841-no)

I even tried the SR plug thing by itself. Hard to say. Placebo or nocebo effect possible since go close. But I felt stock without the SR plug sounded better a tiny bit, or maybe different. The SR plug seemed to increase blackground, but at expense of fine detail.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OsKTJ5oEipIBkXm-XOMUiCT11lRiDREknjrRprNhm3M=w1122-h841-no)

So apparently what you and Luis heard isn't the same thing myself, OJ and burns heard. Per Tyll, what you heard is a different unit or it could just be a cosmetic reshell. Perhaps he added 'Cardas' cables to his HT Carbon rig to give it an audiophile disadvantage.  :D

Either way, it doesn't sound like a simple pass through adapter. That much is evident. So much for a spectrograph telling us what something sounds like.

Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: RVD on June 06, 2015, 04:16:17 AM
Not to get too off topic from the show impressions, but I've heard the original HOT at RMAF last year and in home. I heard a larger sense of space and maybe a slightly blacker background. I did measure it with a meter and remember one channel being 2.5 ohms and the other 3 ohms as compared to a 1/8" Grado adapter that measured .5 in both channels. Don't know if the difference in channels cause a slight imbalance that gives a sense of space and I admit I could be fully talking out of my arse with that. Interested to see what the Carbon one goes for price wise and what Tyll thinks of it.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 06, 2015, 04:23:30 AM
Not to get too off topic from the show impressions, but I've heard the original HOT at RMAF last year and in home. I heard a larger sense of space and maybe a slightly blacker background. I did measure it with a meter and remember one channel being 2.5 ohms and the other 3 ohms as compared to a 1/8" Grado adapter that measured .5 in both channels. Don't know if the difference in channels cause a slight imbalance that gives a sense of space and I admit I could be fully talking out of my arse with that. Interested to see what the Carbon one goes for price wise and what Tyll thinks of it.

We heard exactly the same as you with myself and OJ totally expecting some sort of mushy rolled off resistor based gizmo. Like I said, it was like going from TRS to XLR which was totally surprising as I bitch about TRS jacks quite a bit. Seems the Carbon didn't perform purr1n and LFF.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: RVD on June 06, 2015, 04:43:23 AM
We heard exactly the same as you with myself and OJ totally expecting some sort of mushy rolled off resistor based gizmo. Like I said, it was like going from TRS to XLR which was totally surprising as I bitch about TRS jacks quite a bit. Seems the Carbon didn't perform purr1n and LFF.

Good to know. I was taken aback at RMAF when I first heard it actually made a difference and was a viable tweak. Seems they have got a little overzealous with the new one and it has degraded in sound quality. Although for the market they are after wrapping it in carbon fiber and doubling the price (speculating don't know price) will make it sound 10x better.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on June 06, 2015, 06:58:37 AM
Welp, was only able to make it towards the very end of T.H.E. Show, but got to check some things out.

HE400s

IMO has good bass definition. Perhaps a bit on the analytic side of things. The aesthetics shows consistency with the new HiFiMan product line up look, with the exception of the Rolls Royce like T-1000.

A&K 380 (I think)

Not bad at all. Wish they had something other cans to show case their stuffs, but overall seemed to do a decent job. The GUI is pretty decent. Did not monkey around nuff to say if it was stable and glitch free. It's one of those players that I would really hate if it slipped my hands and hit the floor.

Tineo J Horn Speakers

These look awesome. However, they sounded a bit boxy to me. Perhaps it was the stuffs they were playing.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/469/18514676271_82c36b8fae_z.jpg)

Rockport Avior

These are big and black enough to compensate for most insecurities and feelings of inadequacy. However, I felt they were on the uber-bassy side of things. Perhaps the room was not helping them sound their bestest.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/419/18325052340_02f10c35c8_z.jpg)

Anat III Studio Signature

Not very impressed. Felt it was a bit of a $107,000/pair bright mess. Possible it was the stuff they were playing. Discussion and measurements can be found here: http://www.stereophile.com/content/yg-acoustics-sonja-13-loudspeaker

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/499/18324987868_763367fa5c_z.jpg)

G1giya

This speaker goes to show that smurfs are accomplished speaker designers themselves. While not bright, for some reason I felt these had some edginess to it. Just $65,000/pair. And what do you know! a pro review here: http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/vivid_audio_g1giya_loudspeaker/index.html

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/477/18512777655_675171b57c_z.jpg)

Sony SS-AR1

The Super Sonies - Amaizeballs Reference 1ses made their way to T.H.A. Sho. Again. And again they sounded good. The room was a bit on the too big side of things and these may have sounded better in a smaller conference room. A rare problem, since most other stuff in T.H.E. Joint would have benefited from larger rooms.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/383/18508354472_6208b0b462_z.jpg)

MBL 101

I felt these over-grown omni-electrostatic-dynamic-hybrid blenders have the 1960's "The Time Machine" appeal to them. Sound-wise I though they were all over the place. Pretty bright. My best guess is that the show room was not making these any favors.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/359/18324977988_3722d8e2cd_z.jpg)

Harbeth Super HL5 Plus

Ollie Shait! These were bright! Mie unrefined ears did not like.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/459/18486338506_ddd17473e2_z.jpg)

Sonus Faber Extrema

Not bad. Not bad at all. Perhaps a little on the warm side of things.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/284/18324973338_f97d95fbb5_z.jpg)

Kubotek HSP1C06

This is a single driver full range Japanese speaker cube. Not bad with the material they were using (mostly avoiding bass and treble with old classic stuffs). I think the president of the company (Mr. Kubo?) was there in the room as well. Some scarce info in Japanese here: http://www.stereosound.co.jp/news/article/2012/09/10/12957.html

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/317/18324971688_3c089e5de4_z.jpg)

Riva Stuff

While most folks at T.H.Y. Sheow did their earnest to exhibit the weirdest, most unconventional, gynomic speakers, there in a small room comes to light the tiny Riva. Was very pleased with what I heard. It does not go down to the lowest, deepest, bass notes evar, but it goes fairly deep given it's Chihuahua size. Add to it bluetooth connectivity, integrated rechargeable battery, and more than decent sound and we got a practical distinguished product.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/339/18325028170_f081c2a1bd_z.jpg)

JBL S4700

Wanted to hear the JBL M2, but these were the ones hooked up in their placed. Could not determine how they sound. Rep dude went bananas and started to play earthquake with them.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/503/18508335952_d21cbd97e1_z.jpg)

Revel Salon 2

These were a surprise. I've been wanting to hear this for some time. They rep guys were cool and let me select what to play. First thing that came to mind was Daft Punk. My best guess is that the small room was not making these any favors. LOL! A little too much bass and treble. I dunno.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/279/18508333542_3196b4c2a1_z.jpg)

Quad 57s + Enigma-acoustics sopranino Tweeter

Color me surprised! I liked the sound of this portable gas heater. Perhaps not a ton of low-bass, but bass was there. A little on the warm side of things and apparently no dynamic drivers were used. These are not gynormic either (err... relatively speaking)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/418/18512750085_aaf00115f1_z.jpg)

And now we move to the cars (my favorite being the Ford GT and Batman's Lambo)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/484/17890079554_58e07c38e5_z.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/297/17890075584_beb30db3e0_z.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/383/17892061933_76aeb54d63_z.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/501/18512746555_0e2650e7ac_z.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/521/18512744205_447d8dd079_z.jpg)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 06, 2015, 07:06:12 AM
Welp, was only able to make it towards the very end of T.H.E. Show, but got to check some things out.

HE400s

IMO has good bass definition. Perhaps a bit on the analytic side of things. The aesthetics shows consistency with the new HiFiMan product line up look, with the exception of the Rolls Royce like T-1000.

No. You heard it with that Hifiman amp/answering machine didn't you? It's not analytical sounding.

Oh, those were the Quads? Marv and I heard them playing Stimela on vinyl. I also have Stimela on DSD and playing it from my GO+Leckerton>UERM crushes that Quad rig in every way. It was too warm and dead with no resolution at all. I left after a couple minutes I was so disappointed with the rendering on that song. If that's the Quads sound I can forget about it.

Also heard the Janzens in hopes of a stat hybrid being able to fix things. Still sounded dead, flat/2D with not actual imaging presence. Light on microdynamics or inner resolution. Neutral but boring. Another disappointment. Maybe their smaller speakers aren't up to it. Basically sounded like a slightly less warm and soft Magnepan. If I went planar, I'd just go full Sanders and embrace that planar character 100% and enter a dream state while listening. Maybe take a hallucinogen too to complete the effect.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on June 06, 2015, 07:26:40 AM
Possible the source was not doing any favors to the 400s. Did hear them out of what they had there at the booth.

Yes. That Quad setup was on the warm side of things. I was expecting anything but that, so it surprised me. Didn't stay there too long to check resolution. I barely made it there. Had to do Mr Mom duties earlier.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 06, 2015, 07:37:36 AM
Possible the source was not doing any favors to the 400s. Did hear them out of what they had there at the booth.

Oh it's absolute fact. I hated them, then Tyll said he liked them. So I went back and used my 'portable rig'. Like Marv said, night and day. He hated them too at first. That amp they had is one of the worst things I've heard.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: burnspbesq on June 06, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
Did anyone get a chance to try a > 64 gig card in the AK Jr.? I meant to do that on Sunday, but I got there late and got side-tracked.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 06, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
Did anyone get a chance to try a > 64 gig card in the AK Jr.? I meant to do that on Sunday, but I got there late and got side-tracked.

Nope, just my 64gb. It is sdxc1 rated though, not a 64gb sdhc. Are your cards sdxc2 with the extra pin?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: zerodeefex on June 06, 2015, 04:36:44 PM
No 64GB card is SDHC. SDXC is the standard for cards above 32GB in size.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Clemmaster on June 06, 2015, 04:54:59 PM
For reference: can anyone compare the 400S to 400i?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 06, 2015, 05:05:56 PM
No 64GB card is SDHC. SDXC is the standard for cards above 32GB in size.

Beg to differ. It's not as simple as that. I've talked to the Sandisk guys a few times at CES over the years.

(https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/sony-sdhc-class-10-deal-64gb.jpg?w=704)

(http://images.shopmadeinchina.com/BE917052467FD094E040007F010042DA/127/9737127_2/ADATA-64GB-class10-SDHC-Memory-Card-Trans-Flash_9737127_2.jpg)

(http://www.gadgetfolder.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/sdhc-64gb.jpg)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAxWDUwMA==/z/0w8AAOSweW5VbVav/$_1.JPG)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 06, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
For reference: can anyone compare the 400S to 400i?

Been awhile since I heard the 400i at CES in Jan 2014. All I remember was it was pretty neutral but bass had lost its magic from the 400 and was now one note. Didn't leave a memorable impression with me. I liked the 400s more so this time. A little more engaging, still neutral, bass seemed more textured but not to original 400 capacity. I want to say it sounds a little better to me for quite a bit less money. This is not a direct comparison though, so...
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: zerodeefex on June 06, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
Beg to differ. It's not as simple as that. I've talked to the Sandisk guys a few times at CES over the years.

You can beg to differ all you want, but bullshit from Sandisk sales reps at CES doesn't mean this is correct.

None of those cards are technically SDHC. It's clearly outlined in the SD Association spec starting at 3.00 and consistent today at 4.10. The NAND density on those cards is too high to be considered SDHC. ALL of these manufacturers are skirting the fact that they aren't supporting all the correct iops from a controller standpoint to label these SDXC. So no, there are no 64GB SDHC cards, despite what anyone is branding them.


Edit: to be more specific, these cards meet the SDXC physical spec and NOT the SDHC physical spec. The controllers DON'T meet the SDXC spec so they're using bullshit branding.

NAND is considered lifeblood for mobile devices. I have to know this shit if I want to remain employed.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 06, 2015, 05:48:24 PM
You can beg to differ all you want, but bullshit from Sandisk sales reps at CES doesn't mean this is correct.

None of those cards are technically SDHC. It's clearly outlined in the SD Association spec starting at 3.00 and consistent today at 4.10. The NAND density on those cards is too high to be considered SDHC. ALL of these manufacturers are skirting the fact that they aren't supporting all the correct iops from a controller standpoint to label these SDXC. So no, there are no 64GB SDHC cards, despite what anyone is branding them.

NAND is considered lifeblood for mobile devices. I have to know this shit if I want to remain employed.

Those are pre spec 3.0 dude. There was life before spec 3.0 and 4.10. I talk to engineers, not marketing. A lot of manus populated 64gb sdhc cards to undercut sdxc and rake in money on the sly. Ancient Chinese technique.

And if they aren't supporting the iops then they they aren't to sdxc spec either. Plus if any 64GB cards come formatted in FAT32 and not exFAT it is by definition sdhc, not sdxc per the spec.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: audiofrk on June 06, 2015, 08:50:40 PM
For reference: can anyone compare the 400S to 400i?


Only got a quick 5 minute a/b session on Sunday (they were already packing up) with my stack (rwimod/piccolo) the 400i was almost exclusively tremble (not bright just excentuated) and mids were hollowed out.  The 400s was just neutral not sweet mids but not hollowed out, tremble was a little less present but still far from rolled off, and the bass was present came in and faded out when it needed too. 

Thanks LFF for making listen to them.  Other than the code-x never been into hifimans but the 400s is damn good. 
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Clemmaster on June 08, 2015, 05:57:04 PM

Only got a quick 5 minute a/b session on Sunday (they were already packing up) with my stack (rwimod/piccolo) the 400i was almost exclusively tremble (not bright just excentuated) and mids were hollowed out.  The 400s was just neutral not sweet mids but not hollowed out, tremble was a little less present but still far from rolled off, and the bass was present came in and faded out when it needed too. 

Thanks LFF for making listen to them.  Other than the code-x never been into hifimans but the 400s is damn good. 
Been awhile since I heard the 400i at CES in Jan 2014. All I remember was it was pretty neutral but bass had lost its magic from the 400 and was now one note. Didn't leave a memorable impression with me. I liked the 400s more so this time. A little more engaging, still neutral, bass seemed more textured but not to original 400 capacity. I want to say it sounds a little better to me for quite a bit less money. This is not a direct comparison though, so...

Thanks for that.
I, too, found the 400i midrange to be kind of hollow - especially next to the HE-560. Seems like the 400s would be an improvement, then.

How about the soundstage / separation?
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 08, 2015, 06:16:21 PM
It's no HD800. Mid-fi level at best.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: shaizada on June 09, 2015, 12:23:55 AM
Did anyone get to hear the EAR/Marten room?

I only spent 7 hours helping Dan Meinwald with setting up the room (his normal setup help couldn't make it for medical reasons).

First time in my life I've setup a room in S.H.O.W. (hehe  :)p17) conditions...it is NOT easy.  Those rooms are boomy as hell and damn hard to setup properly!

Curious if anyone heard the room...thoughts?

I love the EAR / Marten sound.  Natural, musical and unpretentious.  Gets out of the way of the music...alas, no "WOW" factor that is needed in shows typically.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: LFF on June 09, 2015, 02:27:44 AM
It's no HD800. Mid-fi level at best.

Yup...if you used their player.

I found the 400S to be very capable using my source material. Certain not Mid-Fi IMHO.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: jerg on June 09, 2015, 02:56:53 AM
...What if the HE400S also uses the nanograde substrates. /mindblown
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: altrunox on June 09, 2015, 03:12:12 AM
So is the 400S the best "fun" with an extra bass, fast and thick sound under US$400?

If so, this will probably be my headphone when I get enough money to upgrade from my budget-fi stuff
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: DrForBin on June 09, 2015, 04:25:50 AM
hello,

also very interested in the HE400S.

an affordable ortho that sounds pretty good, i'm in! :money:
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 09, 2015, 07:06:39 AM
Yup...if you used their player.

I found the 400S to be very capable using my source material. Certain not Mid-Fi IMHO.


No I used my source. It's still mid-fi. Equal to HD600/650 with a mid-fi amp. With their source/amp it's low-fi, not recommended, unlistenable, utter garbage. Cuz that's what that amp sounded like.

Gotta remember, most of today's hi-fi is my mid-fi at best. Matter of perspective. So I guess that's my idea of a compliment.  ;D
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Clemmaster on June 09, 2015, 11:18:51 AM
Was that amp the EF-100?
I remember that's what I first tried the HE1k in at CanJam. Boy did it suck... What a joke (and a poor choice to promote a 3k headphone).
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: RexAeterna on June 09, 2015, 11:24:45 AM
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Those jbls look like baby Everest's that are only available in Japan(and think some parts of europe)
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: ultrabike on June 09, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
From what I can tell they are part of JBLs "Synthesis" line. Above that one there seems to be the K2 S9900, and above that is indeed the Everest DD67000. TOTL for those is the 1400 Array. They have different horns than the Pro line M2s, 305 and 308 monitors.

Unfortunately these guys were at the top floors of the hotel and were among the last ones I auditioned towards the end of T.H.E. Show and all I heard was the rep cranking the bass on the S4700s.
Title: Re: T.H.E. SHOW 2015 Irvine (not Newport) Impressions
Post by: Anaxilus on June 09, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Was that amp the EF-100?
I remember that's what I first tried the HE1k in at CanJam. Boy did it suck... What a joke (and a poor choice to promote a 3k headphone).

No ef5 replacement. Looks like a little grey answering machine. Sounds worse.