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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51298 times)

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That looks great stratocaster!

What's your current amp?
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Is your HD650 modification the same as your HD600 mod? (http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2432.msg68458.html#msg68458)
Yes.
What's your current amp?
I have to make do with my Vali and the Leckerton UHA-6S.MKII
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Did you try marvs mods?
Yes I did, plus lots more approaches and I finally ended up preferring what I posted.
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So did you remove the stock foam from behind the driver before adding your damping, or did you leave it in place?  And does it have the "coin" mod, or is that stock as well? 
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Great job as usual. Now I'm tempted to sell every other pair and get an HD650.
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So did you remove the stock foam from behind the driver before adding your damping, or did you leave it in place?  And does it have the "coin" mod, or is that stock as well? 
Stock foam is kept in place behind the driver, the front foam has been removed, BUT a ring of foam is kept UNDER the pad lid, which connects the pad to the baffle. There are 4 holes in the baffle. You can keep the bass response by covering the holes with foam (like with the stock foam in place)  or decrease the bass by removing the foam.
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OK I have some impressions.  Please see my profile for the full list of equipment used.

The contenders are LCD-3F ($1950 new, ~$1500 used), HD650 ($300 new if you wait for a sale).  HD650 was driven single ended from Ragnarok and is brand new with approximately 50 hours of burn in.  Due to amp topology a balanced cable will improve it but I am highly doubtful my impressions would shift dramatically.  LCD-3F was driven balanced from Ragnarok and was manufactured Nov 2014.

I prefer a slightly dark signature as I find myself sensitive to harsh mids or treble.  I also primarily listen to latin music which contains a ton of mid and treble energy from brass and percussion instruments and becomes fatiguing (almost painful) VERY fast if there are issues in the upper mids/treble.

Overall FR curve as I hear it:  (I have not measured either headphone; I should request the FR chart from Audeze, will update when I do)
HD650: Neutral mids/treble, minor midbass hump
LCD-3F: Neutral bass, recessed mids, slightly rolled treble

Quality of Bass:
LCD-3F > HD650
The LCD-3F is clean and punchy like good bass should be.  Only the physical sensation is missing but you cant get that from a headphone.  I feel the LCD3 does a very good job here.  The HD650 is a bit flabby and uncontrolled.  It's not bad but obviously inferior to the LCD3.

Quality of Mids: HD650 = LCD-3F
I feel they are about equal. The LCD3 is recessed however I don't hear any issues and the resolution/plankton is very good for both headphones.  The HD650 is more appropriate for critical listening however the more forgiving/colored nature of the LCD-3F makes it a more enjoyable listen for poor masters.

Quality of Treble:  HD650 > LCD-3F
No contest, HD650 wins.  I hear what I think is a minor hotspot somewhere around 8K on the HD650 but it does not grate and overall the HD650 is still significantly superior to the rolled LCD-3F in the treble region.

Tonality:
HD650 > LCD-3F
Small victory for the HD650. LCD-3F sounds a bit "electronic" or "robotic", HD650 sounds quite natural.

Soundstage and Imaging:
HD650 > LCD-3F
HD650 has wider soundstage and slightly better imaging.  Unsurprisingly they both get absolutely destroyed by my studio monitors.


Overall:
I am going to wait a few months before coming to a final conclusion but my initial impression is that with my equipment the HD650 is the better headphone overall (and for what I want to do which is mastering type work) although the LCD-3F is better with bass heavy genres and with poor masters. I may end up selling the LCD-3F but it would only because I want to fund other purchases (like a 3D printed tonearm for my turntable).





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That's not fair comparing an unbalanced headphone and a balanced one through the ragnarok, an amp that's supposed to sound way better on balanced mode. I'm glad that you did like the hd650 more though.
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Can you use a soldering iron? If so, re-terminate. Don't waste your money. The stock HD650 cable is pretty good.

Got my stock cable today and stripped the wire after cutting the connector off. One side has red and copper  wire, the other green and copper. I assume the copper on each side are ground and the colored wires are the signal...?
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