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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51298 times)

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What rig did you hear the 800's from before you bought them?


I listened to them on two systems:
  CD transport -> Woo Audio WA7d Fireflies Wa7tp
  computer -> a stack that included an Auralic Aries and Taurus, and I'm not sure what else

I liked the sound much better on the Woo system; the Auralic stuff sounded overly polite to me.

Now at home, I'm using MacBook Air -> Wryd -> GO450 -> Vali -> HD800. It sounds a lot like the Woo system, but I think I'm getting better resolution.
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Vali does have more resolution than the WA7. Glad you are enjoying it. Rest assured you are on the right path and they will scale like crazy if you ever choose upgrade the chain. Definitely money well spent.
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Vali does have more resolution than the WA7. Glad you are enjoying it. Rest assured you are on the right path and they will scale like crazy if you ever choose upgrade the chain. Definitely money well spent.

With any luck, I'll be experiencing that scaling soon - I just signed up for the EC Black Widow.
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With any luck, I'll be experiencing that scaling soon - I just signed up for the EC Black Widow.

That's a hell of a leap from the Vali ;)  Nice choice!
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Love the thread title. I'm toying with the idea of inflicting the rear foam mod to see if it really does reduce the mid-bass. That's about the only 'fault' I hear in the 650's. I'm also waiting for Solderdude's filter & don't want to pull the foam and so make the filter redundant before I even get one.

I'm currently achieving the best sound I've ever personally heard with headphones.

JRiver MC19 > ODAC > Project Ember MkII with 1945 General Electric 6SN7GT VT-231 > Sennheiser HD 650

Bliss!
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Removing the rear foam will bring out the mid-bass. Adding damping behind the driver will help lower it, and bring up the treble a bit, at the expense of making them sound even further overdamped to the point where they might develop a sort of high-pitched grain or sense of strain to them.

Perhaps removing the foam directly behind the driver but adding foam within the cups could be a way to dial in the bass without overdamping them as much. I haven't tried it.

The foam in front of the driver also plays a role in the amount of mid-bass. Remove it entirely, and you lose a lot of bass...and get some nasty treble effects. If you cut a larger hole in the front foam than the mod suggests, so you can see more of the surrounding silver material around the driver, you may get some positive benefits to your ears.

Personally, I like the mod as-is, even with the extra mid-bass. Pair them with an amp that doesn't add too much thickness to the sound, and it balances itself out nicely. The modded HD650 pairs very nicely with the Valhalla 2 and NOS Telefunken tubes. Val2 isn't particularly thick or bassy sounding, nor are those Tele tubes. Works great with the modded HD650.

Could also try some enclosure/frame damping to see if that reigns in the bass.
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So removing the rear foam will increase the mid-bass? Well, that's that out the window then.

I've been playing around with a parametric EQ to try to even out the mid-bass but it's not too easy. I have managed it to a certain extent though & I like what I hear. Bodes well for Garage 1217's filter when it arrives.
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Might be amp dependent, but I did not experience increase with mid-bass upon removing all three layers (they are squished together) of the foam in the back.

Another possibility is the HD600 if you want to tame the HD650's midbass.
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I agonised long & hard between the 600 & 650 but eventually went with the 650 because sometimes that extra warmth is nice. It's also easier to remove something with EQ than it is to add, up to a point. I'm really happy with the 650's & anything now is just massaging them to where I want them. My journey with valves has been with the same goal.
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You should still consider removing some of the front foam or perhaps adding some light damping in the cups.
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