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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51298 times)

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Maybe I just have a wide head or something.  If I extend the sliders all the way, it will stay in place by clamp alone with the headband floating above my head like some kind of halo or antenna.

My K601 are way more comfy.  My eardrums give up after 1/2 an hour though.   :'(

The Beyers I owned were more comfy too.  I don't remember if they were that way stock or it's just because their spring steel headband is a lot quicker to fix.  My eardrums gave up on those too.

I forgot whether I had to hit the headband with a hairdryer to get it loosen up last time I owned them.  So far this time I've taken off the cups and stretched the headband across some books overnight but it tightened up again during the day.  (Insert joke here)  I'm not sure if it just needs a couple rounds of stretching or if that polymer need some heat to loosen it up permanently.

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Dunno. I do have a aliens-like sort of head so maybe that's the reason it doesn't bother me that much. The HD800s Anax have sit on my head like most stats.

Interstingly, I don't think pressure on the HD6x0 is necessary. At least they don't clamp as much as some closed cans. It is what it is.
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Dunno. I do have a aliens-like sort of head so maybe that's the reason it doesn't bother me that much. The HD800s Anax have sit on my head like most stats.

Interstingly, I don't think pressure on the HD6x0 is necessary. At least they don't clamp as much as some closed cans. It is what it is.

On my head at least, they clamp more than anything I've tried except maybe the Beyer DT1350.

At least the 650's clamp is fixable though, which is a big plus.  I usually mod most everything own anyway, headphone or not, so it's that big a deal to me.  Other without the DIY ethic might find it a bit daunting.

I remember freaking out when when this sort of thing was discussed in an old thread on HF.  People were aghast that it wasn't perfect for absolutely everyone right out of the box.
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HD600/650 clamp for me was pretty horrible out of the box. 30 mins and I had a huge headache. I stretched both of them out over a bookshelf speaker for a day or two and also bent the exposed metal part of the headband out a bit when fully extended. Unfortunately, I accidentally stretched my HD650 out over my bookshelf speaker for longer than I meant to, and it prematurely flattened the pads a bit (though, less stiff foam, can't complain too much). :) But loosening the clamp on either headphone measurably brings up the treble a bit, which might actually be preferable on the HD650.
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HD600/650 clamp for me was pretty horrible out of the box. 30 mins and I had a huge headache. I stretched both of them out over a bookshelf speaker for a day or two and also bent the exposed metal part of the headband out a bit when fully extended. Unfortunately, I accidentally stretched my HD650 out over my bookshelf speaker for longer than I meant to, and it prematurely flattened the pads a bit (though, less stiff foam, can't complain too much). :) But loosening the clamp on either headphone measurably brings up the treble a bit, which might actually be preferable on the HD650.

That's interesting.  How much does it bring the treble up?  I don't remember noticing that before.
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Not a whole lot...just a smidge, really. I can't remember if I posted all my data or just have it stored somewhere on my computer. Brings up the treble a tad and I think it might also slightly lower the mid-bass hump. Just a wee bit brighter sounding. Or I'm crazy. Decide for yourself!
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Not a whole lot...just a smidge, really. I can't remember if I posted all my data or just have it stored somewhere on my computer. Brings up the treble a tad and I think it might also slightly lower the mid-bass hump. Just a wee bit brighter sounding. Or I'm crazy. Decide for yourself!

IDK if mine will un-strecth for me to listen for it this again...
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So to me the whole 'veil' thing can be attributed to FR related things.
THD and CSD is similar for HD650 old and new pads ...

I agree with Anaxilus. Veil is some sort of distortion that blurs sound. It might be due to multiple reasons. Overdamping can also increase distortion.

What is interesting though is that my silk screen version bought around the end of 2010 has metallic baffle(very stiff and cold by touch), whereas the brochure(published on 03/07) inside the case states "Specially designed acoustic silk ensures precision damping over the entire frequency range". It seems to me that the marketing material remained the same for some time after the change.

FYI, mine never sounded boomy or slow regardless of amp/source. I own also DT 990 pro and I know what boominess and veil sound like, even after eq corrections. I couldn't understand what people at headfi were talking about. On the contrary, it has somewhat aggresive upper mids(3Khz-5Khz), which bring out many details and the bass is similar to that of HD 700 in terms of speed. By similar I mean not significantly different. Not in a way that can deteriorate perceived fidelity.

So, I am puzzled now that I read about leaps in performance for the most recent version compared to the "older" silk screen versions.
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I took the pads off mine and left them stretched across some books for a week.  Much more comfortable now.   :)p13

I'm noticing the increased treble this time.  They also sound more open and less congested.
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I took the pads off mine and left them stretched across some books for a week.

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