Topic: Re: What To Do If You Don't "Like A Thing" (Read 6341 times)

Ringingears · « **Reply #100 on:** May 10, 2015, 02:39:13 AM »

Quote from: Nekonokira on May 10, 2015, 02:30:48 AM

If I would have had parents who actually care, I might have gotten my diagnosis a decade earlier which would have made a lot of things easier.

I think as a parent you need to find a line between over hysterical and not giving a shit.
My mother never liked the idea of not having a well developing child. When I told her how I felt she just laughed, always being above everyone else and when I tried to argue she cried making me feel like a ungrateful child.

Things only got kicking because of my teachers at school. Of course when confronted my mom told them I'm just a little shy, but never talking with anyone and staying hidden in the toilet until next class isn't quite normal.

But now I can actually get a job, because I'm declared as handicapped. I don't have to prove anything I can't, I'm happy and I can actually live a life.

Of course things that happened shape a person but I wouldn't want another kid to go through the same totally unnecessary trouble only because their parents think they don't need take responsibillity over the thing that came out of their womb.

Thank you for that. Unlike the current meme going around, most teachers are very professional competent and well educated people. They often have to step in as your teacher did. Risking the flack and insults that result. Just imagine having to tell a parent that they might be wrong?

Anaxilus · « **Reply #101 on:** May 10, 2015, 03:45:25 AM »

Quote from: Ringingears on May 10, 2015, 02:32:58 AM

Honestly, for me "political correctness" is such a moving target, I am not sure what it really means anymore. If common courtesy, respect, and communicating using a mature and civil tone and honesty are included in PC, then I have to say my experience with helicopter parents has been anything but PC. In fact it has been rude, abusive, threatening, obnoxious and dishonest for the most part. Especially the last few years. I am thinking we may just have a different concept of the term "helicopter parents".

Nope, same concept. You are just invoking your experience on the receiving end of self-entitled parents as a teacher. That's something of a false equivocation.

PC is to Society as Helicopter Parents are to modern children. How teachers are treated is not in that direct analogy, but if you think about, your experience directly correlates 100%. They are displacing their responsibility as parents unto you and are pissed you suck at parenting their children. Just give my kid an 'A' is the ultimate in helicopter parenting. Cuz you will hurt their GPA, which hurts their college prospects, which hurts their income, which hurts their social standing, hurting their feelings, hurting their self-esteem, invariably leading to broken dysfunctional families, and then suicide for all. Duh. How dare you grade my child on merit you tea bagging Nazi fascist!

So yeah, it's the same shit. A Carrion flower by any other name smells just as bad.

Deep Funk · « **Reply #102 on:** May 10, 2015, 04:36:47 AM »

Quote from: Ringingears on May 10, 2015, 02:39:13 AM

Thank you for that. Unlike the current meme going around, most teachers are very professional competent and well educated people. They often have to step in as your teacher did. Risking the flack and insults that result. Just imagine having to tell a parent that they might be wrong?

I read more books than I had friends. I isolated myself from my parents and peers to study and read. People did not understand that I preferred reading good book over the same old story and drama. Knowledge was my weapon for a long time until high school arrived. I always had a book with me.

Mind you all parents largely have their parents to thank for their behaviour. Parenting is difficult if anything...

Griffon · « **Reply #103 on:** May 10, 2015, 05:40:47 AM »

Quote from: Deep Funk on May 10, 2015, 04:36:47 AM

I read more books than I had friends. I isolated myself from my parents and peers to study and read. People did not understand that I preferred reading good book over the same old story and drama. Knowledge was my weapon for a long time until high school arrived. I always had a book with me.

Mind you all parents largely have their parents to thank for their behaviour. Parenting is difficult if anything...

My parents asked me what kind of girlfriend I want. (I've been single for some time)

My answer was if I met her for the first time and I get to know she has a good book in her bag she's reading through, then pretty much that's the type I want.

My parents replyed "then probably you'd have to be single for life, in this generation".

Funny to see how people are forgetting about good books and good music.

Deep Funk · « **Reply #104 on:** May 10, 2015, 06:36:19 AM »

Books and music are still appreciated. People tend to feel pushed to go faster in everything in the age of big data and (on-line) technology for the masses.

It is a matter of making time. When you decide to have more control you make time for things like reading a book and cooking for instance. Some people of the 18-25 year old group still appreciate the slower activities. Not everybody goes with the flow of current consumer existence.

Thad E Ginathom · « **Reply #105 on:** May 10, 2015, 09:39:27 AM »

Ahh... the "euphemism treadmill" and the "moving target of political correctness" ...

Where I live, "differently-abled," (and yes, it gets shortened to "diffabled") is in vogue. I had a huge row with a friend over this, presenting the personal point of view that going deaf (age related, HF hearing loss: I can't read people's posts unless you hit the consonants hard and clear, and not at all if other people are posting at the same time) does not, in any way, cause any of my other senses to be enhanced, so differently-abled my arse/ass! My other point is that people should be accepted and respected as they are: the legless may need wheel-chair access, but they do not need labels that are applied to their whole life.

As it happens, my friend is the father of a severely autistic (I think) child, so I can see why he should think that I my disability is of so little concern it gives me no right whatsoever to even talk about disability. But it's damned real to me, and as to the world's attitude to deafness (or should I say hearing-challenged?) I feel like wearing a sign around my neck which says, "No. I do not do this just to annoy you."

anetode · « **Reply #106 on:** May 11, 2015, 07:11:43 AM »

Quote from: Thad E Ginathom on May 10, 2015, 09:39:27 AM

Ahh... the "euphemism treadmill" and the "moving target of political correctness" ...

Where I live, "differently-abled," (and yes, it gets shortened to "diffabled") is in vogue. I had a huge row with a friend over this, presenting the personal point of view that going deaf (age related, HF hearing loss: I can't read people's posts unless you hit the consonants hard and clear, and not at all if other people are posting at the same time) does not, in any way, cause any of my other senses to be enhanced, so differently-abled my arse/ass! My other point is that people should be accepted and respected as they are: the legless may need wheel-chair access, but they do not need labels that are applied to their whole life.

As it happens, my friend is the father of a severely autistic (I think) child, so I can see why he should think that I my disability is of so little concern it gives me no right whatsoever to even talk about disability. But it's damned real to me, and as to the world's attitude to deafness (or should I say hearing-challenged?) I feel like wearing a sign around my neck which says, "No. I do not do this just to annoy you."

No "handicapable"? If you're gonna refer to a person by their pathology then might as well be precise. Personally I still like "cripple" for its ubiquitous understanding and unambiguousness, but "para" would do in a cinch for my condition. The disability community can go a bit overboard like any other activist movement. For instance the support of personhood for essentially braindead patients in a persistent vegetative state because of the irrational fear that people will also terminate someone who has something like locked-in syndrome.

My point is that every type of advocacy will tend towards self-centeredness and increasingly elaborate demands on the public's vocabulary. (It's kind of funny how "neurotypical" has become a derisive term among some tightly-knit communities.) At some point it can be helpful to give gravitas a rest and poke fun at all of the holy cows.

Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone. —Carlos Castaneda

Claritas · « **Reply #107 on:** May 11, 2015, 07:39:40 AM »

Thad E Ginathom · « **Reply #108 on:** May 11, 2015, 09:24:41 AM »

Quote from: anetode on May 11, 2015, 07:11:43 AM

Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone. —Carlos Castaneda

Ah, yes indeed. Read all that stuff forty years ago. Since heard that it is most probably fiction. I guess there is still good stuff there whether it is "true" or not.

Deep Funk · « **Reply #109 on:** May 11, 2015, 01:21:41 PM »

Claritas, may you find a messiah who loses his sandal and tells you to fuck off. Pythonesque wit requires gratitude.

Self-importance, reminds me of Dale Carnegie's work. As long as people do not wallow in their "victim existence" they can keep their labels. I have dealt enough times with people who used their "labels" to justify being unpleasant and rude.

To be offended. People offend, it happens all the time. In the end the offended individual simply wants to hear "yes you were right" or "yes I/we should have listened." Some people simply want to hear a genuine "thank you." It is all a bit silly...

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