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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2015, 01:46:57 PM »

I'm a bit surprised to see so many beta testers talk about burn in ( 75, 150 , 200H ) for their HE1000.  WTF ?  I never experienced any serious change after Burn in ( except my brain burn in) except maybe for some Ultrasone and my SE215 ... I said maybe ! and I thought planars/orthos didn't need any burn in.

Am I completetly deaf and wrong ?  p:8

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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2015, 01:52:29 PM »

I'm a bit surprised to see so many beta testers talk about burn in ( 75, 150 , 200H ) for their HE1000.  WTF ?  I never experienced any serious change after Burn in ( except my brain burn in) except maybe for some Ultrasone and my SE215 ... I said maybe ! and I thought planars/orthos didn't need any burn in.

Am I completetly deaf and wrong ?  p:8

I'd like to think of it as 90% mental adjustment (not really placebo, if you consciously realize that your brain adjusts to things), and 10% hardware settling.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2015, 02:24:43 PM »

A better way to assess this is with identical headphones side by side, one fresh and one used. But then there are sample differences, which ideally would be very minor, but it's hard to know in practice. So, yeah, a few pairs to draw an average would be good. But then statistically with only a few samples, the average is probably not going to hold enough truth. So in summary, yes, that's probably not going to happen.

The thing with brain burn-in is that the reverse is also valid. Just listen long enough to whatever pair of headphones one was listening before and go back. What do you think? Is it again all familiar to how you've heard them in the first hours?

That said, imo, re-reading the majority of my impressions at 8 hours and 100 hours are still valid for me at 240 hours. Change or no change notwithstanding it could have not been that big to OCD about it.

For me the hard line with any headphones is how much head time they actually get, once the new toy syndrome wears out. Having multiple flagships helps weeding them out.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2015, 02:37:26 PM »

Yeah me neither.  Burn-in is always a positive trait too.  If a headphone is bass-lite, burn-in makes it beefier, if a headphone is treble-happy, burn-in makes it more mellow.

What you won't find is someone saying that burn-in settled the treble of their HE-1000 down, then another user who's a treble-head saying that burn-in caused their headphone to sound too mellow, at least not as much as everybody saying there was a positive change.

I'm taking any impressions of the HE-1000 changing around after burn-in with a grain of salt.

That said, I am definitely interested in more comparisons between HE-1000 and HD800 for image size or soundstage specifically.  I think I'm at the point where I don't think I could settle with anything less than HD800 soundstage.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2015, 02:44:29 PM »

Thks Mates.

I sometimes forget people are telling a serious amount of BS I should not pay attention to  :)p13

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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2015, 03:17:16 PM »

Burn-in is always a positive trait too.  If a headphone is bass-lite, burn-in makes it beefier, if a headphone is treble-happy, burn-in makes it more mellow.

I had two HA-S500 that sounded indistinguishable with little use, but very obviously different after burn in. It went from normal bass to basshead: not a positive change. Exception that proves the rule though. Carbon nanotube tech? Dunno.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2015, 06:17:24 PM »

Not hearing the burn in effects either. I want to say placebo on this one; it's brain burn in.

And the ones who say the HE1K are engaging are either lying to themselves or compensating with more volume.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2015, 06:36:56 PM »

Yeah me neither.  Burn-in is always a positive trait too. 

No it isn't. I've always complained about certain headphones sounding worse over time to the point of even failure. Lots of pre fazor LCD2/3s. Marv's modded Abyss is sounding a little slower these days, we've talked about that before. My HD800 and even UERMs sound worse over the years I've been using them. Only really noticeable when comparing to new units directly. Most drivers have parts that fatigue or wear. 

I know what you guys are getting at but I don't want an oversimplistic generalized view around this forum like you get and some others. Pads also wear in and change sound. Probably better at first, then worse over time. Considering most headphones and speakers using dynamic drivers with rubber butyl surrounds, it's not ridiculous and actually scientifically proven that rubber, like in new tires (most composed of rubber) improve performance after an initial break in as molecules begin taking proper alignment and their modulus/flexibility changes a bit. Eventually long term wear and oxidation take their toll where a more linear and consistent degradation occurs.

These are mechanical devices subject to the realm of physics. You don't get to proclaim scientific objectivity and proclaim headphone drivers exist in a sub-space field immune to physical laws. Just something to think about for those that haven't thought about it.

I also think when people say others always say burn-in improves things, they aren't listening closely enough to what all the people are saying. Maybe this can be alleviated by people saying 'wear-in'.
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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2015, 06:38:33 PM »

And the ones who say the HE1K are engaging are either lying to themselves or compensating with more volume.

Are you sure all the HE1000s out there sound exactly like yours for you to be able to make a statement like that?
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Re: HiFiMan HE-1000 (general purpose / public)
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2015, 06:49:26 PM »

No it isn't. I've always complained about certain headphones sounding worse over time to the point of even failure. Lots of pre fazor LCD2/3s. Marv's modded Abyss is sounding a little slower these days, we've talked about that before. My HD800 and even UERMs sound worse over the years I've been using them. Only really noticeable when comparing to new units directly. Most drivers have parts that fatigue or wear. 

I know what you guys are getting at but I don't want an oversimplistic generalized view around this forum like you get and some others. Pads also wear in and change sound. Probably better at first, then worse over time. Considering most headphones and speakers using dynamic drivers with rubber butyl surrounds, it's not ridiculous and actually scientifically proven that rubber, like in new tires (most composed of rubber) improve performance after an initial break in as molecules begin taking proper alignment and their modulus/flexibility changes a bit. Eventually long term wear and oxidation take their toll where a more linear and consistent degradation occurs.

These are mechanical devices subject to the realm of physics. You don't get to proclaim scientific objectivity and proclaim headphone drivers exist in a sub-space field immune to physical laws. Just something to think about for those that haven't thought about it.

I also think when people say others always say burn-in improves things, they aren't listening closely enough to what all the people are saying. Maybe this can be alleviated by people saying 'wear-in'.

OK . But what about specifically planars ? I can understand mechanical burn in for dynamics headphones  but what about planars ? That's my question.  We're speaking here about burn in of a new product inducing significant and fast changes during the first hours/days/weeks not wear due to time. 
 
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