Topic: Replace Beyerdynamic DT880 250 with DT990 600 - less piercing? (Read 3672 times)

Skyline · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:34:12 PM »

Quote from: thegunner100 on February 25, 2015, 07:31:06 PM

OR you could get yourself a hd600 or hd650 . Don't limit yourself to just beyers. I started out with the dt880/600, tried the dt770 and dt990 but moved onto the hd600 and never looked back.

Sure. Or the HE-400i. All would be good choices.

Just depends on budget.

Solderdude · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:38:56 PM »

This is what he states:

I am in a bit of a bind though, I can only choose from the Dt880 250 or Dt990 600.
I already have the Dt880 250 and they may perhaps swop it for the Dt990 600.

It seems he can only choose between these two.

What I would do in his case is keep the DT880 or the DT990/600 whichever fetches the most in the 2nd hand market and try to sell it for a reasonable price.
Buy a second hand HD6x0 from the recovered cash.
That would be a LOT cheaper than investing in an amplifier that cannot possibly remove the treble peak.

That said I always enjoyed my old DT990(600) more than the DT880(250) I had before.
The treble never used to bother me.

The DT990 and DT880 have the exact same construction so don't think the 'ear touching' problem will go away with the DT990.

thegunner100 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:42:44 PM »

Ahh, I read the first post much earlier than I responded to it. Editted my post for clarification.

Skylark · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:52:23 PM »

All the cans you guys have mentioned as alternates would be great but at the moment all I can choose from 880 or 990 or its back to my budget AKG's. I have been considering selling the cans if they do not work out, I am getting them at quite special pricing, so that explains my quandary. But even reselling them won't get me near HD6x0 pricing which honestly I would probably prefer straight out the gate but you can't always have what you want!

The 990 is apparently curved on the interior of the earcup on the driver side and gives more clearance from your ears whereas the 880 is flat, that's what I found a few people mentioning when comparing the fit of the 2.

I do find the music that really hurts the most is electronic music, rock and stuff with lots of busy high energy treble.

An example is right now I'm listening to very mellow laid back jazz, Great Jazz Trio - Someday My Prince Will Come, sounds quite remarkable but Pink Floyd sounds quite harsh (treble wise) and most music has to be whisper quiet to be bearable.

Can I be hearing the limits of the recordings rather than the cans?

Apart from the obvious increase in bass, what does the DT990 add in the treble section?
While being more open back than the 880's how do the 990's manage to still have more bass?

thegunner100 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:57:22 PM »

Is EQ an option? Because that would be free and easy to try. What program are you using to listen to music?

Bill-p · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:14:16 PM »

The 990 actually sounds even more open and somewhat less intimate/warm/diffused than the 880.

More bass is actually because it's fully open back. More air in the back of diaphragm = more pressure in the back versus the front (ear side) -> more bass. This is especially true if the ear pads form a good fit, which is why good ear pad seal -> more bass.

It's less intimate/warm/diffused, I suspect, because the 880 has an extra piece of foam in the front of the driver... versus just 1 on the 990 and 770. This helps taming some upper midrange/lower treble weirdness. So 990 would have a bit more lower treble because of this, which makes its midrange sound more distant... -> the 990 seemingly has a bigger soundstage than the 880.

I don't think the extra bass of the 990 will help take the sibilance away for you. I've owned and listened to all of the editions of 770/880/990, and even tried my hands at modding them. Sibilance seems like a driver resonance, so there's just no helping it. If you don't like it, then the best option for you would still be to get a different headphone, or... well, use EQ to push the treble down, but I'd suggest a different headphone still.

Solderdude · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:14:56 PM »

Quote from: Skylark on February 25, 2015, 07:52:23 PM

The 990 is apparently curved on the interior of the earcup on the driver side and gives more clearance from your ears whereas the 880 is flat, that's what I found a few people mentioning when comparing the fit of the 2.

Apart from the obvious increase in bass, what does the DT990 add in the treble section?
While being more open back than the 880's how do the 990's manage to still have more bass?

I have seen a lot of DT770's 880's and 990's and they all have the same construction and all have flat baffles.

The DT990 has very different damping inside the cups and on the driver/baffle.

all 3 DTxx0 have similar treble but is more or less 'masked' by the different amount of bass because the DT990's mids are relatively sucked out and more warm.
The treble issues remain.

Armaegis · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:01:08 PM »

Stick an extra piece of felt/sock/whatever in front of the driver and see how that sounds

Skylark · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:37:31 PM »

I confused what was happening with the fit of the DT990 vs DT880
This is what I got from the guys over at headfi:

"But there is a slight problem with both of these headphones in terms of comfort -- especially with the DT880. First let me clarify that this may not be a problem to users with very small ears. To those of us with medium to large ears, there is a slight problem. Both of the earcups on these headphones are really quite shallow. In which, your ear WILL most likely be touching the inner foam of the earcups. To many this isn't a problem, but to some, it is the end of the world. The interesting thing is, the DT880 has "curved" foam inside it's earcup and the DT990 has "flat" foam inside it's earcup. This is extremely apparent not only while wearing them, but by taking off the earpads, it's clear they are to what I have stated. What this means is, your ear is much more likely to not only touch, but be irritated by the inside foam while wearing the DT880, than the DT990. Putting them on back and forth reveals that this issue is obvious, and the DT990 is clearly a step ahead of the DT880 in terms of comfort"

But elsewhere I found this solution, which a few confirmed works well:

"Today, I tucked 1/4 inch thick rope under the pads. They just manage to fit and the pads are still in place. I recommend tucking the rope in directly rather than removing the ear pads, placing the rope, then fitting the ear pads back on. I was having the same problems with my ears touching the driver foam and even causing a dent in the driver foam. Now, there's lots of room and it's very breathable. I selected rope hoping that it does not alter the sound quality significantly."

Skylark · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:43:41 PM »

Quote from: Solderdude on February 25, 2015, 08:14:56 PM

I have seen a lot of DT770's 880's and 990's and they all have the same construction and all have flat baffles.

The DT990 has very different damping inside the cups and on the driver/baffle.

all 3 DTxx0 have similar treble but is more or less 'masked' by the different amount of bass.

That rather conspicuous hump down in the bass is where the 990 gets its extra bass?
The 990's curve looks marginally less peaky in the trebles than the 880 but probably not enough to make much difference?

Quote from: Armaegis on February 25, 2015, 09:01:08 PM

Stick an extra piece of felt/sock/whatever in front of the driver and see how that sounds

Mmm that may be something, maybe some toilet paper will do the trick, like the Yamaha NS-10 guys use in front of the tweeter

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