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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2015, 03:26:21 PM »

With that song from Jackson, the HD600s were more laid back to me. Proly that glare I was talking about. With some other tracks, things were closer or perhaps a notch more forward (and resolving) with the 600s. I like the tonal balance of these. Of all the cans I had recently checked out (Ultrasone trifecta and TH500RP), these are the closest to the HD600s.

Wife also felt these looked better aestetically than most of the other cans I had around lately. To me they are not much different in apperance that the Oppo's originals save from branding.
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2015, 05:11:21 PM »

Can someone please explain to me a bit more this idea of "glare" in audio reproduction that is mentioned so often. Not sure I quite understand what glare sounds like. Thanks.
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2015, 05:44:58 PM »

To me is like a sort of brigthness or mid to high frequency distortion. In this case, the "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" song starts with some "tss tss" stuff. It comes across gentler with the HD600s and more agressive with the AZ PM2s. This "tss tss" stuff is not way up high in frequency though, but it's not narrow band tones either. It's is probably not comming from an instrument, but some electronic gadget, so it may have sounded that way originally, and the 600s are mitigating the effect, but I doubt it.

I use the word glare because it feels to me as if that part of the song gets sharpen.
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2015, 06:14:35 PM »

What's your testing rig again?

Couldn't it just be that you're using a ODAC and the PM is more resolving than the HD-600?
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2015, 06:33:31 PM »

I don't have an ODAC, so using a Focusrite 2i2.

It could still be the 2i2, but I doubt it. This is where measurements might provide some clues. The PM's are not particularly well behaved in the mids the way the HD600s are.

LOL, actually I have a set of cheap computer speakers that measure relativley flat, but had some problems in the mids. I did a sine sweep back then, and at the 400 Hz trouble spot, it got something similar to what I describe as glear here... When similar problems happen in the bass area I usually hear farts.
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2015, 07:39:53 PM »

Thanks, Ultra. I haven't really heard that sort of glare on my end. I will have to listen closer. I did notice a touch of extra sparkle, if you will, using it with certain gear. I am hoping to share full thoughts later today. Hopefully measurements too, time permitting (tomorrow if not today). But I am really liking what I am hearing. Captures that smooth, cohesive PM1 with velour pad sound without being so boring/dead/limp-dick and so closed sounding. Right up my alley.
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2015, 08:39:06 PM »

   Honestly very puzzled about those measurements. On my own rig original PM-2 and my modded sets don't measure similar at all, please see the image attached (sorry about the size of the image, will do better next time;-). Well they don't sound similar at all to me neither so maybe my ears are strongly influenced by the aforementioned rig but really, put them side by side and there will be no resemblance of one with another pretty much at all. And about the low frequency extension on your measurements, to me there is just another puzzle.



 

 As for your own measurements of HD-600 vs other headsets, notice how all of your measurements display a dip starting around 1,5Khz and centering around 2,5Khz while HD-600 is just the opposite looking nice and fairly smooth in that area. Well, on my rig that's precisely where the well known HD-600s midrange peak is centered: 2,5Khz. After that there is a fairly smooth and deep roll off which in my opinion will surely mask glare present on some recordings. 


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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2015, 08:51:06 PM »

My AZ PMx2 measurements also don't look very similar to the the stock PM-1/2 or HD600. Nor do they subjectively sound all that similar (well, PMx2 is maybe closest to PM-1 with velour pads, but still noticeably different). They don't particularly measure like Alex's either, just so you know. I should be able to post thoughts and measurements by the end of the day.
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2015, 08:55:10 PM »

FWIW, the Oppo PM-1 and the PM-2s modded by AZ were measured using the same rig and exact same method. I also have a set of PM-1 measurements as well... and they measure relatively close as well!

I also saw Alex measurements, which came included with the cans Alex sent. Did not get that at all. Did you position the cans the same way stock vs moddified? I can say that the Oppo based cans tend to show little variability in measurements unless one goes way overboard with how one positions them.

I did have an odd ball modified Oppo by Alex before that did not measured at all like the current production. An earlier generation which could have had broken drivers. Those didn't do very well...

Dunno mang. Maybe is the ODAC :P

Hans, what are you using as a coupler to the mic? (note these didn't measure exactly like HD600s BTW, they seem to have retained some of the Oppo characteristics though)
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Re: AZ's modded PM-2s
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2015, 09:10:24 PM »

   Ultra, I use the exact same positioning for both stock OPPOs and my Audio Zenith cans (there is a big crest with some secondary lines on the rig :-). I have to shift around some other sets like HD-800 and LCDs for example as they have tricky directivity but things like HD-600 ot K-7XX are always centered exactly as the OPPOs. I think some of the reflective properties of the materials used on the rig similar to yours play quite a few tricks with the measured sets. That is why I spent soooo much time creating mine.
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