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Re: Subjective impressions on frequency ranges
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2015, 11:21:17 PM »

Haha, imagine a few months later, I look back at this and feel like I was just talking out of my arse.

Since I have a much better measurement system now, I have been measuring and observing the effects. So far, I've found spectrogram graphs to give a more complete picture into what's happening at lower frequencies.

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For instance, let's inspect the spectrogram of Code-X:



Notice how 80Hz has amazingly fast decay in Code-X? This is audible to me as amazingly fast and snappy drum hits that allows the drum in Eagles' Hotel California - Hell Freezes Over (K2HD version) to actually sound like "drum hit".

Let's inspect the Abyss now:



Bigger red region is due to an FR notch at upper sub bass and lower mid bass that gives a sense of authority and body/thud. In practice, Abyss also has a small region right above 100Hz that has amazingly fast decay. Any song that has bass in this region will sound insanely "fast" with the Abyss here, but overall, Abyss just has a greater sense of body/impact compared to many other headphones.

Now let's take a look at my LCD-2: (haha, ignore the settings window! Unless you wanna reproduce my graphs)



It has good bass definition (yellow region is fairly small), but I think the green region trails off a bit too far, almost twice as long as Code-X and Abyss comparatively. Subjectively, this means the LCD-2 does sound very very slow, bloated, full down there. It's much blurrier compared to the other 2 headphones.

Then... I did some acoustic mods to it and achieved this:



It's much better than how it was before. Mid bass is still not as clean/clear as either Abyss or Code-X, and that contributes to a slightly blurrier bass impact, but it does have fairly decent body and thud in comparison to the Code-X, which can sound... kinda bass-light in comparison.
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Re: Subjective impressions on frequency ranges
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2015, 11:24:09 PM »

EDIT: For 80 Hz 100 ms might be OK.
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Re: Subjective impressions on frequency ranges
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2015, 11:32:53 PM »

I'm using 50ms -> 20Hz. You can see my window parameters in the spectrogram for the LCD-2 there. WIP14 is just a work-in-progress mod of the LCD-2.

Also I edited the previous post with some comments. :)
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Re: Subjective impressions on frequency ranges
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2015, 11:40:43 PM »

This is really cool stuff Bill. I'm really interested in seeing how some dynamic headphones behave using the same system.
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Re: Subjective impressions on frequency ranges
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2015, 11:53:37 PM »

Well, glad ya asked. :)

Attached Spectrograms of the ATH-M50 and Beyer T5P.

See... I kept wondering how you'll ever be able to see bass "speed" with CSD. CSD will only show ringing and how clean/clear treble is, but it won't show this stuff. Now that I know, I'll include a spectrogram in every single measurement I'll make moving forward. It'll at least help give a more complete picture of how a headphone should sound like.

Anyway, a few notes on the dynamic headphones measured:

M50 shows quite a bit of decay in the bass, and the yellow region from 20-40Hz is like... very blurry. Subjectively, I think that's why it sounds very loose in the sub bass region. Impact has good definition (clear yellow line), but also excess decay blurs and muds up this bass. Orthos do much better here IMO (except for LCD-2). I think stock LCD-2 tuning is warm in order to mask the muddy bass... But that may just be me.

T5P barely has any bass here to begin with, so there is almost no decay to speak of. Some say this makes it sound "tight", and I guess... that's to be expected.

Oh, and bonus... attached modded HE-560 graph. Amazingly close to Code-X.  :)p1 But notice the yellow region from 20-40Hz is again quite blurry, so definition is somewhat lost, but still, impact and everything else is very impressive.

Edit: to do -> inspect spectrogram at different windows. I think I'm seeing other behaviors like "warmth" and "smooth" here, too. Oh man, this is like a friggin' treasure chest!  :)p1
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Re: Subjective impressions on frequency ranges
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2015, 03:50:04 AM »

Bill, I could be wrong but a CSD and a spectrogram are roughly equivalent, and kind of different visualizations of similar things...

Utrasone 880 CSD



Ultrasone 880 Spectrogram



As you can see the "ringing" at 4 kHz and 5 kHz are visible either way. In particular there seems to be a small notch (discontinuity) around 5 kHz which in time will generate some ringing (due to a mechanism similar to the Gibbs phenomenon). For the 4 kHz case, the effects may be due to a narrow peak. Phase may get wacky around there as shown here (phase is the plot below the magnitude):



When phase gets wacky, frequencies are not delayed by the same amount. Frequencies 5 kHz and up may lag a little the rest of the spectrum immediately to the left. The inflections may correspond to the "ringing". How does that sound? Proly weird. There are some descriptions about it here:

http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,71.0.html

Similar stuff may happen in the bass area for this particular phone.

I'm not sure if these will tell you much about "speed" or how "clean" things are. Distortion plots might help with the clean aspect of things. Speed can mean many things depending on context I guess.
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