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Types of Driver Ringing
« on: December 12, 2011, 03:50:17 AM »

Here is quick guide to different types of driving ringing and how bad they sound to me. Your opinions may differ.
  • Ringing between 6kHz and 12kHz is bad.
  • Sharp and/or thin ridges, especially those that originate from clean floors, are nasty
  • Long duration ringing that doesn't stop by 2ms is worse than short duration ringing, which some exceptions, see [4] below.
  • Rounded ridges or bumps are more benign.
  • Ringing at 4-5kHz seems more benign than ringing below or above that range. Possibly because that frequency range tends to provide "edge."
  • Two or more resonances which are an octave apart, sound nasty, even if they are low in magnitude or short-lived.
[1] The Sharp Lower Treble Razor of Death. The sharp razor of death that occurs anywhere from 6kHz to 11kHz will almost always be nasty. A sharp stabbing sibilant sound you will get. This is seen on D7000 and LCD2r1.


[2] The Midrange Shout. A broad ridge between 1 and 3kHz. Tends to make things sound shouty or tinny. The HP1000 has a bit of this. So do all the Grados.


[3] Upper Mid Ridge. Usually manifests as a slightly rounded ridge at 4-5kHz. To my ears, it's the most benign type and sometimes I don't even notice it, especially if the FR doesn't have a large corresponding bump. Examples are ATH-AD2000, ATH-M50, AKG-K240, HD558, and Grado RS-1 (the issues I have with the Grado are more with the thin ridge at 8kHz than the ringing at 5kHz).



[4] The Double or Triple Octave Penetrator. Even if the ringing is not very severe, ringing or peaks an octave apart seem especially nasty to me. Below the K601 has ringing at 3.75, 7.5 and 15kHz. That a triple penetrator. The mystery headphone below has ringing at 5k, 10k, and 20k.  The resonances are not all long lived nor of high amplitude, but their effect combined together is unpleasant.










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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 05:17:19 PM »

Ahh, good post, purrin. I've always wondered how that ringing in the measurements translates to what we actually hear in the headphones.
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 03:16:37 PM »

Great explanation!
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 04:08:36 PM »

Awesome posts dude! It's great to be able to put a picture to what we hear! ;D
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 06:59:42 AM »

After seeing the latest addition I had to go grab my K601 and get triple penetrated again.

 ???

Too bad.  If those magically went away it would such a nice headphone..
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 10:57:40 PM »

Would you have a measurement for the AKG Q701?
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 11:21:22 PM »

Nope - not those. Take the K701 measurements and add some bass. That would be how the Q701 sounds like IMO.
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 11:22:12 PM »

Maybe we can blackmail convince Lurk to send his Q701 down....
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2013, 03:11:59 PM »

Neat.  Needs a tinnitus axis. 
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Re: Types of Driver Ringing
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2013, 02:28:20 AM »

Is there a way to define or describe ringing (say to an audio engineer or ciem manufacturer) other than by referring to CSD graphs? This is an awesome thread and I can link to it, but I wanted to ask. Sorry about the probably very simple to answer question and thanks.
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