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NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« on: November 27, 2014, 09:09:13 AM »

Hi all.



…I thought that i should do something different for my first post, so that is why i screamed the topics name, but i have intended it to be like a trap, people look first like "who is that, and why is he screaming? I dont care about that kind of stuff...but maybe i just have a look..."...and you are in a trap  :)p6



So first: sorry for screaming, second: i speak and write Fin (nish+En) glish, so just ignore funny writings, third:dont believe half what i write, and for the other half----the responsibility is in reader.
And i really don't know if this is the right place to write this kind of stuff, but moderator, feel free to move this everywhere you want. Yes, even in trashcan.


I have been long time thinking that i should write about my audio-venture, even that its small scale when compared many. Its just that i have found interesting things, and have to say my own opinions have also changed along the way.
I am one of those lurkers you know, the guy that reads all the forums and all the stuff but never writes anything.
Well now i decided to change that. Why? Because i think i have found a forum where there is ”freedom of speach and soul” and humor!! Humour is so important, don't you think?  )(... and that means not throwing mud (at least not too much of it) for not liking -x or -y, you are wrong, i am right… its just audio equipments…or is it ”just”?

Yes ”just”, if thinking like engineer: copper-wire, metal bended to form cover to electronic parts, capacitors, resistors, transformers, etc. All this to make electronic flowing.
And not ”just” if thinking the feelings and emotions what good audio-gear can achieve, when playing music that you like.
I find myself from both camps.



…So, get your shovels ready, i am all for mud throwing sessions! poo (seriously speaking i am not)



I think i try to write with somekind of time-order… If i can. I will mix the technical side and the ”emotional” side that is for sure.
I will tell about my stuff along the years and diy-hobby and maybe some car-hifi story from early -90:s to these days, but there wont be coming anything ”high-end” stuff.
”High-end”… Whatz that? Wikipedia says:

” High-end audio is a class of consumer home-audio equipment marketed to audiophiles on the basis of high price or quality, and esoteric or novel sound reproduction technologies. The term can refer simply to the price, to the build quality of the components, or to the subjective or objective quality of sound reproduction”

…so i think i would rather speak ”good sounding headphones ”, ”great stereos” or something like that.


I could write something like: Technics was… Jbl was…Phoenix-Gold was…I like big old woofers…Old woofers dont like 230v (:-00)…speakers…Chinese brands…UK brands…Diy this-Diy that…pcm1704…maybe Theta ds…headphones...

So what you think, should i write more or lurking for another 15-20 years?
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2014, 11:32:19 AM »

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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2014, 12:22:11 PM »

My topic has first post!

Thanks for the link.
I have now introduced myself, and one more time: Howdy all, i hope i can make some friends here and what i write is like "tongue in cheek" so just having good time and this line from introducing page 1, is why i think this is the right place to hangaround.


"POSTING RULES:

There are no rules other than to use good judgement.

Think of this place as a pub or bar. There are going to be owners, staff, regulars, less-than-regulars, and random people who walk in off the street. For new people, there's a sign on this place and that's pretty much it. If you are new, the regulars may just not like the way you smell. That's life, that's how it works. If you want to know the rules, which there are none, it's best just to hang around a little bit and get to know the people around here."



BTW, i cant write in the "Topic: New Members - Introduce Yourself " version 2. Why is that? Only the original introduce page...
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2014, 08:03:51 PM »

...So i have noticed that you guys are writing about the sound of different dac chips.
Hmm... Could it be that the slightly irritating sound these days that we hear from our audio-players is from this delta-sigma technology?
…”we hear”…hmm. I think i could first write about that.



Did you know that evolution has ”baked” our hearing depending what kind of frequency is the most important to survive? Yes, the bears, lions, other humans, all possible threat thats have been noticed by the ear and hearing.
---”We dont have any lions, and there has never been any lions where i am from”--- you say. And you are correct. So the hearing where you live, is ”modded” to other kind of threats and important frequencys that are coming somewhere else. Not from lion sneaking to get you for dinner ;D
So-----can we say that our hearing is different and based on where you are from? Yes, there is differencies in our hearing, depending where in earth you live. Crazy, isnt it? Or maybe its just very sane. I think the hearing is very underestimated. We have the ability to hear the slightest differences in timing. We have to! if the bear or lion is attacking you!
  :-DD


I feel bad for our hearing these days, all this noise coming from everywhere 24/7. No wonder the tinnitus is so common. And this is good place and time to remind that:
TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEARING!  :)p6
You can destroy your hearing in headphones very easily. I too have slight tinnitus and it can be very annoying. You grow older, and the hearing doesnt heal.
Its gone, when its gone.



Nelson Pass has write a lot about amps, and distortion. He have found that (if i remember wrong, feel free to correct me) 1/3 of people like 2nd harmonic distortion, 1/3 like 3rd harmonic distortion and the last 1/3 doesn't  like it at all. "So we like different things, so what?"
…Well if we hear differently, doesnt it take the base off from all this, ”This is the best sounding amp/dac/speaker, its so honest”… I don't know, what is your opinion?

And i think comparing sound based on memory can be bad thing also. There is a lot of studies how sound relates to emotions and feelings. Your brain collects the sound and adds the memories and feelings to it… These can change a lot when time goes by, just like feelings.
So this hobby is very subjective, but i think many of us knows that.

But its great hobby still, isnt it!  p;)
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2014, 12:12:50 AM »

Nelson Pass has write a lot about amps, and distortion. He have found that (if i remember wrong, feel free to correct me) 1/3 of people like 2nd harmonic distortion, 1/3 like 3rd harmonic distortion and the last 1/3 doesn't  like it at all. "So we like different things, so what?"

This is a small community. I think 99% of people here prefer no distortion. Personally I do not like audible levels of 2nd order distortion (sounds like shit - hardly euphonic as other people claim). I also do not like audible levels of 3rd order distortion (also sounds like shit).

This is with the caveat that Nelson Pass (and the good amp designers) prefer to apply a judicious amount of global negative feedback. Lots of global feedback does not sound good, but it tends to make distortion numbers really really good - much better than amps with little or no feedback.

Nelson Pass has write a lot about amps, and distortion. He have found that (if i remember wrong, feel free to correct me) 1/3 of people like 2nd harmonic distortion, 1/3 like 3rd harmonic distortion and the last 1/3 doesn't  like it at all. "So we like different things, so what?"
…Well if we hear differently, doesnt it take the base off from all this, ”This is the best sounding amp/dac/speaker, its so honest”… I don't know, what is your opinion?

And i think comparing sound based on memory can be bad thing also. There is a lot of studies how sound relates to emotions and feelings. Your brain collects the sound and adds the memories and feelings to it… These can change a lot when time goes by, just like feelings.
So this hobby is very subjective, but i think many of us knows that.

But its great hobby still, isnt it!  p;)

Comparing on memory is the least effective. However, if people have had exposure to equipment chains for extended periods of time, or with many follow up occasions, impressions to tend to average up regardless of emotions and feelings. The issues are really more basic than that. What is the equipment chain, what are the recordings used? There are techniques used to minimize errors with comparing sound by memory; but even then, it is not as good as direct comparison. This is why we tend to have DAC-offs or like to compare X to Y in the same sitting. This is also why I tend to say nothing about equipment is vendors force me to use recordings I am not familiar with.

The exception would be headphones because the errors they commit are gross. Headphones sound so different from one another that comparing by memory is OK (if from trained ears). I think I can safely say that my old Camaro was much faster than my current car based on memory. The issue of course is establishing a reference for comparison and bridging the vocabulary gap in describing sound.

Also, if you bother to read around, you won't see statements of "this is the best" without qualification. It may be, "this is the best" because "this A does X aspect better than B" and even then "A still isn't as good as C with aspect Y".

The methods of establishing communications works here because of fairly consistent and agreed upon use of vocab ulary and exposure to a large set of common equipment. A glossary should probably be written.
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2014, 11:04:54 AM »

Hi marvey,

Nice to meet you.  :)p7
I have big respect for guys like you , who make the big effort to try out things and compare them intensivily. Your dac-compare topic in Head-fi is very informative and i want to say thanks for sharing your foundings.

I really like the way you express yourself. (and this is my serious opinion)
"Sounds like shit"  That really doesnt leave room for misunderstanding and it sure aint no politicians talk  ;D I think it only as a good thing. I like the honest opinions.


Sound based on memory is what i have just been thinking and reading. It came in my mind when i noticed that i still have a good feeling about the sound signature of my first bought cd-player in early to mid 90`s. (Geez, where the time has gone  ???) It kept me searching from internet that model of cd-player. It was Technics SL-PG590. Based on my memory it had a great sound, but it was that era of time when great things happened also. You know, you are like 14-15 years old, the girls, mopeds, good 90`s music  :)p15
I still also have Marantz cd63 MK2 KI and its not bad either. 90`s, What a golden era!


I agree with you what you say about distortion, its just i have one amp that is exception, and it doesn't have nfb., but the topology is different so i guess that the signals based on current is another thing entirely. The Audio-gd Precision 2. It clearly have quit a bit of distortion at lower levels if you look at the specs from the Audio-gd site. But the sound of that amp is very good(in my ear), and Kingwa said that it was designed to not go too low with 2nd harmonic distortion. I first had the Precision 1 but it had a buzz  noise and i did send it back. I think it wasn't ground loop problem because everything else is working and also the P2 is working fine now also.
I did once have the Audio-gd C39 pre + C10 power amp and i did find those a bit "cold and sterile" the sound reminds me of crystal glass, if that makes any sense... These newer A-gd amps have different design, and i think they are quit better than the older amp designs. The Audio-gd SA-31SE was "better" than C39+C10 but the Precision 2 is best (to my ear) from those Audio-gd offerings.
I did like the module changing thing in C39. It was like "Is it Levinson sound day?..no, not today. How about Accuphase? No, not in that mood. Well, i keep the original Marantz sound then"  8)


I used the C39 also as a headphone amp, it drove the headphones just fine from the XLR and RCA outputs. And that is one problem with my gear now, the P2 is so powerful that my ears are hurting in lower level output, volume level 1. Yes one.
My headphones are ATH-M50, Sony MDR-MA900, and German Maestro GMP 8.300D, and i like the Sony the most of them, but...The Sony is so sensitive that it is just too loud. I should ask Kingwa about new volume board for P2, he made me new volume board for C39 back then. Have to respect Kingwa for his customer care. I have noticed that the finishing of his products are better these days but there are still these little things like P2 volume knob is scratching in to the chassis in some position. It doesn't show but i think the knob is bit oval in shape...So-oo there is still some work to do in his QC  :-\


About his Dacs... I had the Reference 7, the SA-2 , and Dac-19SE (full size chassis with PMD-100 + 2x BB PCM1704), and i have interesting stuff to tell about comparing those... p;)





 

 
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2014, 07:58:13 PM »

I think i open up this writing thing and why its so important to me. Like i said in introduce page i am studying these days. The teachers keep on pushing about "write about this and write about that..". And there is also coming a english course that i am bit worried about..
So i thought why not learning to write (in English) better, and make it even fun!
So these forums are great to learn more words etc.  ;)

You are never too old to learn more things.
Age is indeed another thing that i have been thinking about. What you guys think are middle-age? 30? 35? 40? 45?
I guess it`s just a number  ;D


First one who posts can decide the topic :

1) Audio-gd PCM1704 dacs and their differencies (boring..  ;D)
2) The story when i accidentally put 3680w into 12" woofer (quite funny actually)
3) About car audio in 90`s (Jbl and Phoenix-gold ruled!)

So pick the number, and i will write about that!
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2014, 10:26:42 PM »

120V on a 4 Ohm speaker ?

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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2014, 12:17:49 AM »

Age is indeed another thing that i have been thinking about. What you guys think are middle-age? 30? 35? 40? 45?
I guess it`s just a number 
  Well I used to think 45 or 50. Now it is more like 80-85.
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2014, 03:20:00 AM »

  Well I used to think 45 or 50. Now it is more like 80-85.


No, it's more like 100-105 man. Well gonna be for me at least. At age 150 im still gonna look as sexy as hell as I am now.
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