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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2014, 06:32:57 AM »

This is with the caveat that Nelson Pass (and the good amp designers) prefer to apply a judicious amount of global negative feedback. Lots of global feedback does not sound good, but it tends to make distortion numbers really really good - much better than amps with little or no feedback.

Can't help being the devil's advocate here, check out this Putzey article on the benefits of massive amounts of feedback: http://www.linearaudio.nl/linearaudio.nl/images/pdf/Volume_1_BP.pdf He presents a different perspective where conservative global feedback introduces random high order distortion that you need to really squash by going further. Also backed up by listening & testing.
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2014, 08:30:04 AM »

  Well I used to think 45 or 50. Now it is more like 80-85.


Thanks for that, now i feel much better ;D

Its just that the last 10 years of my life have been like FF button pushed down, kids and work and studying etc. Don't get me wrong, i love every second of it but example is  comparing summers of these days and summers in 90`s, the 90´s summer were much longer ;)
Well, the summers here above Arctic circle truly are short... Trees have about 3 1/2 months to grow leafs and drop them. And from now on is the darkest months of the year. Basically 2 months totally dark. Now if that doesn't need Pirates attitude then what will :)) There are few days that the sun doesn't show at all, those are somewhere in Christmas. It`s a bit of mental game you know :D
And it`s the opposite in summer. The sun is shining 1-2 months all day, all night. Heh-he ;D comes my mind a time when this dude from Belgium (i think he was from Belgium) came to visit the northern Finland and we did go fishing. After few hours of fishing and drinking we did go to the camping fire and just chatted about all kinds of stuff. I then said to him "Well, i think i go to sleep now, good night" and he was like "So soon? Why not just drinking until the sun goes down?" and i said " ...if you want to do that, you need a lot more beer..."  :)p5



120V on a 4 Ohm speaker ?



Solderdude, you are in right track.

We have 230V here in Finland and the main fuse was 16A so i think it`s calculated (feel free to correct me) W=A x V (the speaker was 16ohm i think but isnt it that just x 1 in that math? Like W=A x V x 1?)

...Well anyway the much loved old movie theater speaker driver did get the full output from 230V line...
This all happened -89 or -90. I was so ashamed about what happened that i didn't tell anyone what truly happened back then, but now i am grown up (?) and can speak the truth out  ;D

It was Christmas time in -89, -90 and i did have my first crappy Akai stereos (the hobby started from there) and these old speakers that i did get free from this old movie theater. They had 12" woofers and they were really efficient, i really liked them. I was visiting my friend and he had this awesome thing, he had wired the Christmas light into he's amplifiers outputs and they were blinking in the timing of the music, i was like "AWESOME! CHRISTMAS LIGHTS BLINKING IN A BEAT OF TECHNO!! 2 UNLIMITED, YEAH!!"...so my music taste was pretty bad, but that was common between all of my friends :D
So i bought these Christmas lights and get back to home, and wired the thing in my Akai:s outputs...hmm. No blinking? And i tried all kind of stuff, and it just didn't work.. "Well, maybe it just needs more juice. Ok. I get this transformer over here and cut the wire, and strap the wire and push the transformer into the wall. Done. Then i get this speaker wire and roll it with the transformer wire and then the other speaker wire with the second transf--KA-POW-WWW!!!
My mom run into the room and yelled, "What the hell is happening here!!" It really was absurd because, same time the speaker was there just side of my rooms door and the voice-coil had gone thru the cone and there was coming this slight grey smoke out of it..."Sorry mom, i just...sat down to the remote and the stereos was in maximum?..." and she said "hmmm......ok. That was quite a sound."...and left the room.
I then quickly grabbed the transformer out of the wall and checked the speaker "F----k! i wrecked the f-----g speaker!!!"

So, that was true Christmas story from -89, -90. Just starting to know the basics of electricity :)

I have told this same story to my wife, and sometimes she looks bit worried when i mess around with my diy Firstwatt F4 and F5 project. She is like "...Are you going to burn the house? Are you sure what you are doing?" and i answer "...I don't know honey, but i know how to use the fire extinguisher.." and she says "Thats not funny, not funny at all."  ;D



 
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2014, 09:18:44 AM »

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No, it's more like 100-105 man. Well gonna be for me at least. At age 150 im still gonna look as sexy as hell as I am now.


You might have to have the knitting spruced up a bit!

Being now, for some official purposes, a senior citizen I regret that I was not allowed to enjoy being middle-aged, ie 50-something, give or take. Every time I claimed to be middle-aged, people would set on me for thinking myself older or some such nonsense! Give Me My Middle-Age Back, I cry!

na, artic circle!... would really love to experience that. Except that I moved from temperate to tropical ten years ago, and have not been out of a tropical climate for nearly six years. Anything below about 25C is getting chilly for me.
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2014, 09:21:17 AM »

Welcome aboard! Frying equipment is almost another hobby in itself.  :boom:
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2014, 09:34:46 AM »

You might have to have the knitting spruced up a bit!

Being now, for some official purposes, a senior citizen I regret that I was not allowed to enjoy being middle-aged, ie 50-something, give or take. Every time I claimed to be middle-aged, people would set on me for thinking myself older or some such nonsense! Give Me My Middle-Age Back, I cry!

na, artic circle!... would really love to experience that. Except that I moved from temperate to tropical ten years ago, and have not been out of a tropical climate for nearly six years. Anything below about 25C is getting chilly for me.


I'm not official to the government (U.S.) or most places, but Denny's and a family place in town called Original Mike's Diner, recognizes me as old enough to order off the Senior Menu. So we say we are "Denny's Seniors" or "Mike's Seniors".  Never order off the menus, not enough food for a middle aged guy
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2014, 12:48:12 PM »

na, artic circle!... would really love to experience that. Except that I moved from temperate to tropical ten years ago, and have not been out of a tropical climate for nearly six years. Anything below about 25C is getting chilly for me.

Tropical climate...that sounds great. But i do like the spring in here, lot of snow, sun is shining, no bugs, doing skiing and that kind of stuff.

Can't help being the devil's advocate here, check out this Putzey article on the benefits of massive amounts of feedback: http://www.linearaudio.nl/linearaudio.nl/images/pdf/Volume_1_BP.pdf He presents a different perspective where conservative global feedback introduces random high order distortion that you need to really squash by going further. Also backed up by listening & testing.

Thanks for that anetode. I haven't seen that article. Great info, i guess Putzey is always doing his own thing  and not just "go with a flow". He is great engineer. Like they say, "there is many ways to Rome".


What kind of headphones do you guys use?

I have found that the headphones are good for me because i can still listen music after kids are sleeping, and the headphones doesnt suffer from acoustic problems so much.
Loudspeakers are pretty different. Biggest problem in loudspeaker listening is in home acoustics, i believe (at least) half of the sound problems are  solved with better acoustics. Houses with wooden frame and lots of interior stuff are usually "safe", but modern concrete/stone framed houses with minimalistic interior are really bad for listening. No matter how good your gear is, they still have the basic problems.

Headphones can still suffer acoustics problems. It is because we have different kind of earleafs. I have found that the IEM:s have better price/performance than basic headphones.

About the Audio-gd dacs...
I did have the Reference 7 , the SA-2 and the Dac19-SE at the same time. I used the Re7 and the Dac19 with current output.
The Re7 has kind of "mature" sound, it doesn't want to show off. Pretty smooth, wide soundstage. Good dac. The SA-2 was bit better even that it uses 4 x BB PCM1704 vs Re7 8 x 1704. It was even smoother but still better in details...
But they both suffered from the same problem what i noticed when i compared those with the Dac19-SE.
They weren't  really 3D. The depth and illusion of space wasn't that good, they still are great dacs, whole lot better than many, but the Dac-19SE is better in 3D illusion (even that it is a bit grainy sounding and thats because of the first current output module version... I wonder if it could be updated to the latest version...)  "What? 2xPCM1704, and better?" i can hear someone saying, and i have been thinking that the biggest deal in dacs may be in the the digital decoders and in their mathematics. Just like marvey has said/write also (i believe he wrote that kind of opinion somewhere, but correct me if i am wrong, and it was someone else...) It is the same in many cd-players and dacs. They just don't sound really "right". The PMD-100 module what i got is year model 1994... Tha ts 20 years ago, and its still better than many of these days dacs / players DSP:s ?. Are the engineers lazy these days?. Maybe they don't have the passion to do everything right. Yes they can do i2s , input receivers, they decide the dac chip, class A output, or maybe some very good opamps that you can have these days for output,  power supply with lots of filtering and maybe dedicated PSU:s for analog and digital etc. Lot of work, no doubt. All that stuff but i think the secret is in the digital side and to be precise in the mathematical code? ...I don't know, just thinking out loud.

"Proprietary Time & Frequency Domain Optimization" is the line that the Theta dudes used. I think that is "the secret sauce".
What is that?
I see the Schiit guys are sometimes here so they propably  :)) know what it is but i am just going to speculate here... :D

Is it because of different length paths in frequencys? Like the lowest frequencys are really long and the highest frequencies are really short. And then the code in Dsp adjust the sound timing the way that all of the frequencies are marching side by side?  :P....just a guess.
I sure want to hear the right answer...
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Re: NOW ITS MY TIME TO SPEAK!
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2014, 02:10:50 PM »

Welcome aboard! Frying equipment is almost another hobby in itself. 

Heh-he  :))
This is just the right place to tell your "fried equipment"story, i promise i don't tell anyone ;)
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