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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #220 on: May 24, 2015, 11:00:35 PM »

I tend to agree actually. The HD6xx tends to be better for listening at reference levels, or else things can seem boring. Also upstream components are important but we have other threads to go into that

On the other hand, the Oppos sound like that regardless of level so in that sense they are better suited for low volume listening :P
What levels are considered reference listening levels?
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #221 on: May 24, 2015, 11:08:57 PM »

I don't think there is one. I listen as close to what I recall live instruments performing at because that's the experience I'm trying to get lost in, and that's the level dynamics tend to perform best at. I can't think of an instrument that can normally be played at less that 70dB. I think most will average around 75-85dB, with some like drum kits going past 100dB depending on how they are played. Lively horns can be very loud as well.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #222 on: May 24, 2015, 11:12:25 PM »

I don't think there is one. I listen as close to what I recall live instruments performing at because that's the experience I'm trying to get lost in, and that's the level dynamics tend to perform best at. I can't think of an instrument that can normally be played at less that 70dB. I think most will average around 75-85dB, with some like drum kits going past 100dB depending on how they are played. Lively horns can be very loud as well.
Gotcha. People have told me that I tend to listen loud, generally in the 80dB-90dB range according to my sound meter app, it just sounds more lively.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #223 on: May 24, 2015, 11:17:32 PM »

The pm1 may not have been treble forward or even prominent, but, based on memory, I never had to overly compensate with the pm1 by turning the volume way too high to hear a desired level of treble the way the I had to with the hd650.

That's the main thing I dislike about PM1! ;D No matter what pads I use. I remember listening to a Brahms symphony, and to get the violins right I had to crank it up, which made the lows much too loud.

I've never had that problem with the later production HD650. But we can chalk up the difference between our experiences to a whole list of possibilities; foremost, differences between earlier and later HD650s, different listening volumes, and synergies.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #224 on: May 29, 2015, 04:14:38 AM »

5 headphones I just don't like:

AKG 701 - They have some weird resonance in the upper mids that just grates on me. Otherwise OK, but I just can't get around this.

ETY ER4 - I am always amazed that some folks see this as some kind of a reference, like "Obviously, it's totally accurate and the IEM all others are judged by". To me, it's dull and sharp simultaneously, undynamic, opaque, bland, uninvolving and must have some kind of distort-o-matic circuit that adds a layer of nasty on top of it all. But at least it has weak bass... I use mine only for spoken word recordings (I kid you not) on the train when I need good isolation.

ANY OF THE OLD STAX/AUDIO TECHNICA ELECTRET PHONES - Back in the day, the Stax electrostatics were about the only really good phones you could get. These were a big step down and in my mind, Stax should have never put their name on them. Something for the punters, I guess.

ANY GRADO THAT WASN'T THE HP-1000 OR THE CHEAP ENTRY LEVEL ONE - These aren't "I can't wait to tell my buddies about them" bad, but with so many other alternatives, why?

SENNHEISER IE-8 - Bassimus Maximus, all over the lower mids. And that's with the adjuster set for minimum bass! Aside; what's the point of an adjuster if it goes from way too much to mega too much? The only way to get them somewhat listenable was to b-a-r-e-l-y poke them into your ears.

Things I probably shouldn't like, but think are decent/OK

BEYER DT-48 (non 5 ohm, please) - You can tell what is wrong with these in about 30 seconds. But if you can make it past that, there are actually some redeeming characteristics here. Fast (probably because there is little bass), clean and clear and positively errrr... OK. Well built and in an odd way, revealing.

FAD 1601 IEM - Again, most folks will give this a quick listen and bow out and I can understand. But there are certain things they did that were unusual in my experience for IEM's. There were plenty of problems, no deep bass, an upper midrange hole, a rolled off treble with a bit of treble peak sting. But, an articulate midrange, great dynamics for IEM's and a spacious soundstage, uniqely so in my experience to now (again, for IEM's). To get this required a particular set of tips (the white ones with the slots) and careful insertion but when everything swung their way, a really compelling listen, in my view.

ZERO TENORE - Positively OK! Cheap and cheerful. They never sound great, but always sound good. If you lose them, oh well... For music on the train, I unplug the ER4's and plug these in (unless I have my AKG 3001 with me).

Things I like despite themselves

SENNHEISER HD-650 - After all this time, shouldn't these just be too long in the tooth to be competitive? But they are. They more than hold their own in todays market, which I suppose makes them a classic.

FAD PANDORA HOPE VI (or whatever they call them) - Oh no, another FAD! Well, I bought them on a hunch and I really enjoy them. I keep waiting for some bizarre disqualifying FAD sonic thing to raise its head, but so far it hasn't happened. It's like they decided "whats the most off the wall thing we could do at this point?" and the answer was make something kinda normal. Of course, there is a mechanical issue, while they are well built, the sliders for the cups tend to be loose, there HAD to be something! I handed them to a reviewer friend who needed a pair of cans and wasn't familiar with them and after he was done he said "What headphones were those? They sounded pretty good." Who'd a thunk it?

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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #225 on: May 29, 2015, 08:21:09 AM »


AKG 701 - They have some weird resonance in the upper mids that just grates on me. Otherwise OK, but I just can't get around this.


Agreed, this made me think "WTF AKG, what are you doing?"
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #226 on: June 07, 2015, 02:45:28 PM »

5 headphones I just don't like:


ZERO TENORE - Positively OK! Cheap and cheerful. They never sound great, but always sound good. If you lose them, oh well... For music on the train, I unplug the ER4's and plug these in (unless I have my AKG 3001 with me).


I jumped on the hype train and was fairly well impressed the first few times I listened.  Then tried with cheap amp and they got very thin and really hard to get volume.  I guess I am a more colored response kinda guy.  They are gone now and back to my modded cheap HA-FX46 for now
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #227 on: June 19, 2015, 05:53:02 PM »

I had the chance to hear the Audeze EL-8 today at a shop. The rig was an Oppo 105D (B? It was the Blu Ray player, Saber Dac) and an Oppo HA-1 headphone amp. Horrible. No bass, shouty forward mids, no life in the music. They ARE comfortable (my primary issue with Audeze's) but the sound...bleh. One step forward, two or three steps back for Audeze. The Mad Dog slaughters them in every single way. I also tried an HD800 on the amp, since I know its sound signature. Not an amazing pairing by any means, but the "life" was back in the music. So the amp was not the problem.

Edit: These were the closed ones.

Edit 2: Dang, these showed up a lot after checking through this thread. Does anyone besides Mike Mercer actually LIKE these?
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #228 on: June 19, 2015, 07:40:09 PM »


ETY ER4 - I am always amazed that some folks see this as some kind of a reference, like "Obviously, it's totally accurate and the IEM all others are judged by". To me, it's dull and sharp simultaneously, undynamic, opaque, bland, uninvolving and must have some kind of distort-o-matic circuit that adds a layer of nasty on top of it all. But at least it has weak bass... I use mine only for spoken word recordings (I kid you not) on the train when I need good isolation.

Which ER-4? P, S, or B? The ER-4P sounded like you described to me. The S adapter seemed to allow the midrange to open up and the detail, microdynamics, plankton etc all went through the roof. Bass became tighter. Still a bit dull sounding up top somehow though?? I don't really get it. They're fine for at work, I suppose.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #229 on: June 19, 2015, 08:17:01 PM »

Sonically, the ER-4S's major downfall is it's power handling.  The distortion creeps up at higher volumes since it's only a single BA and their diffuse field equalization only sounds good at higher volumes...

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Not the best combination

Overall, they still make a good reference because of their DF FR though.  Not everybody likes that reference, but since these are headphones we're dealing with there are only flavors of reference instead a single standard.  I think a dual driver with the same FR as the ER-4S would be pretty awesome though.

I can't leave out the ergonomic issues either.  The ER in ER-4 actually stands for Ear Rape, not Etymotic Research
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