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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2014, 04:16:57 AM »

The worst sounding "audiophile" headphone ever IMO is the Ultrasone PRO 900 / 990.

I think I agree. The Ed. 9 was terrible, but at least it had serious SPL in the lower frequencies and high comfort, even if it got literally everything else wrong. The 900 is awful. I was hoping it would at least be a "fun" EDM phone, but the piercing highs pretty much ruin it for that purpose, and the bass isn't even that great.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #101 on: November 27, 2014, 05:02:27 AM »

I think Grados get by on marketing than anything else. They are pushed by a lot of the hifi shops I've been to and they are ALWAYS sold there. I could be off base, but I think a lot of brick and mortar stores don't think too highly of headphone listening (vs speakers) and just stock the Grados to cover themselves for having a stock of headphones. Then when you talk to MOST (heavy emphasis on MOST for the Grado fans here) serious headphone fans, you find out Grados don't cut the mustard for a lot of people.

The SR-80 is a great entry level headphone to bigger and better things. Very few people have bad things to say about these.

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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #102 on: December 01, 2014, 08:13:19 AM »

My friend's RS2i was relatively uninsulting to my ears ~2 years ago

I also thought his HD600 sounded very similar to my KOSS 4AAA from 1974 so take that with an entire cup of salt
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #103 on: December 01, 2014, 09:07:02 AM »

I think Grados get by on marketing than anything else.

That's very impressive considering they have an advertising budget of $0.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #104 on: December 01, 2014, 10:39:20 AM »

Regarding the Ultrasone ED9, my first impression a long time ago when I was asked for my opinions, Cambridge CDP to Phonitor, "Is this thing clipping?"
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #105 on: December 01, 2014, 12:47:13 PM »

That's very impressive considering they have an advertising budget of $0.

Yes and no.

Grado recently did a PR thing with their first semi-closed / vented headphones and Bushmills Irish Whisky. They even got Elijah Wood to voice it and make stupid YouTube commercials for it.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #106 on: December 01, 2014, 01:22:35 PM »

I'll cheat and split this up into to lists:

Crap I haven't owned

1. Audio Technica ATH-W5000 - anorexic sound, oddly unstable imaging
2. Grado GS-1000 - my first purchase was a Grado 125. I liked it and decided to go all out and get the best, which at the time was the RS 1. The RS-1 was marginally better and when the GS-1000 came out I listened to it at a store and became very confused at why someone would make such a thing. I then realized that John doesn't have Joe's ears and is most likely insane.
3. McIntosh RX100 - weird line-arrayish sort of thing with lots of tweeters on top and lots of woofers at the bottom. I was allowed to play a test track, a live recording with clipping and other distortion, to see if the speaker would overaccentuate such things. Oddly it did the opposite -- the whole track was smoothed into a drone, textureless extruded sludge. If Kim Jong Un had been there he'd have asked to have his picture taken with it.
4. MBL Reichstagcrawler, or whatever it's called - I listened to it, I moved around the room a few times and listened again. Yup, it's an omni and yup, it sounds just as mediocre on all sides. Needless to say that between that and the McIntosh abomination I've decided to stick to the point-source concept.
5. Beyerdynamic DT48 - yes, it's already a cliche in this thread. Still, lol, donate it to a museum already.

Crap I've owned
1. Grado RA-1 amp - cheap glued together pointless crap. Would've maybe had a point if it was priced comparably to other cMoys.
2. Shure 535 SE - treble replaced by a quivering sucking abyss, unremarkable over the rest of the frequency range.
3. Sennheiser IE 8 - traded the 535 SE for these, afterwards felt like I'd fallen into an O'Henry short story by way of Kafka.
4. Ultrasone PRO 900 - another ciche, richly deserved. Found them ultra cheap after looking over a bunch of glowing head-fi reviews, decided to give them a go. Listened to them, didn't like them, thought maybe there was something wrong with my ears. Loaned them to a friend for a weekend bus trip, he came back raving about them. Now I'm convinced that there's something wrong with my ears. Saw the measurements, went "aah".
5. Stock Fostex TR20 RP - boring, mushy. Wasn't until I heard modded Fostex till I realized that inhabitants of hf's ortho thread might not have been members of a crazy cult. Or at least that the cult was somewhat rational and had decent membership benefits.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #107 on: December 01, 2014, 05:52:21 PM »

3. McIntosh RX100 - weird line-arrayish sort of thing with lots of tweeters on top and lots of woofers at the bottom. I was allowed to play a test track, a live recording with clipping and other distortion, to see if the speaker would overaccentuate such things. Oddly it did the opposite -- the whole track was smoothed into a drone, textureless extruded sludge. If Kim Jong Un had been there he'd have asked to have his picture taken with it.
4. MBL Reichstagcrawler, or whatever it's called - I listened to it, I moved around the room a few times and listened again. Yup, it's an omni and yup, it sounds just as mediocre on all sides. Needless to say that between that and the McIntosh abomination I've decided to stick to the point-source concept.

Lesson one on why you should never trust anything a professional audio reviewer says: "Yes, the storied maker of those gorgeously analog amplifiers, known for their glowing power meters, makes speakers and has been doing so for years. Simply put, the XR100 speakers uphold the McIntosh legacy. Reviewer Michael Fremer described the sonic presentation as all Ferrari, producing “sound fields that were astonishingly transparent, tight, vibrant, focused, punchy, dynamic, and most of all, utterly effortless—at any volume I cared to listen at.” I'm not a McIntosh fan in general, but their speakers are complete trash. The fact that the reader has to be informed that "yes, they make speakers too" should be a clue.

It's usually hard to know what an MBL actually sounds like because their demos at audio shows are so loud that you have to run away screaming within a few seconds. Compared to the typical MBL demo, standing next to a jet engine is sweet relief.

I'm not sure the omni concept in itself is fatally flawed, but I think it's better suited for casual listening or entertaining in a party situation than serious listening... which makes you wonder why you would ever spend serious money on an omni.

The XR100 is not a line-source. It's a conventional multi-driver forward radiator with four small woofers. The only significant difference between it and a hundred other floorstanders out there are the midranges. Instead of the typical 4-5.5" cone midrange driver or even a large dome midrange ala ATC, they use 10 2" midranges because reasons. An actual floor to ceiling line-source done by a competent designer can sound REALLY good.

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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #108 on: December 01, 2014, 06:22:26 PM »

The XR100 is not a line-source. It's a conventional multi-driver forward radiator with four small woofers. The only significant difference between it and a hundred other floorstanders out there are the midranges. Instead of the typical 4-5.5" cone midrange driver or even a large dome midrange ala ATC, they use 10 2" midranges because reasons. An actual floor to ceiling line-source done by a competent designer can sound REALLY good.

I liked the Wisdom/B&G planar strips and that curved array from parts express. Checked the McIntosh website and it was actually the 200 I heard at the show. Not entirely sure what the rationale behind the 200 was, other than maybe sheer volume and power handling.
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Re: Five Worst Pieces of Audio Gear You've Heard (Members Only)
« Reply #109 on: December 01, 2014, 06:28:40 PM »

That's very impressive considering they have an advertising budget of $0.

I think when Goldfish says "marketing" he is referring to "asshat hi-fi shop dealer networks". Grado doesn't advertise per se (except for that Bushmills / Frodo mutual admiration "experiment" MF referrenced), but they got in early (decades ago) and locked down the aforementioned hi-fi dealer networks probably by virtue of their cartridge offerings and Uncle Joe's original work. This July, I went to a "hi-fi shop" to audition an audeze lcd-2 and this is what they had, buried in a corner: every grado, the lcd-2 and the lcd-3. I have never returned.

And not to be completely OT, the "worst gear" I have heard, in no order are:
SE-535: got this on massdrop a few months ago to see what all the fuss is about. turns out its just fuss. the "mids" are a muddied mess of "also the bass"
DT770: this was hyped on HF as an "awesome closed can, rock n' roll, jack of all trades, good enough for studio monitoring, lol!1!" and it was just bassy, mushy, claustrophobic, and made me sad. A step back compared to the dt150 and dt250.
LCD-3: yup. bought it, and after extended audition, even with the FAZOR set to kill, I didn't even "sort of" like it. I understand some like this headphone a lot, but for that price, and the promise that it would blow me away, I was, politely, "overall displeased" with the experience. Probably my biggest let down so far.

Upon review, I guess each of those "worsts" are colored by the hype that led to my acquisition of each item, but that is sort of the point, right?
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