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Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« on: November 06, 2014, 06:03:49 AM »

My current phones, the HD800 are hot off the press (my second set of these) with Serial 314xx

First few hours noted that compared to my previous set with SN 245xx, this had a flatter response. It also seems to have a slightly reduced imaging / spaciousness - need to break it in. I applied for the freq. response and sure enough, this unit had less peak at 6kHz, a slightly higher 10k and overall, smoother response.

To the tweaks:

Tweak 1
This is a really simple, super quick one. I've measured that the further forward you place the HD800 on your head, the less peaky the 5-6kHz gets. Personally, I place the phones such that the back of my ears are just touching the pads.

Tweak 2
You need
1. Foobar
2. Graphic Equalizer Component (foo_dsp_xgeq)
3. Audiocheck.net downloads of the following Sine audio files: 1000Hz, 1250Hz, 1600Hz, 2000Hz, 2500Hz, 3150Hz, 4000Hz, 5000Hz, 6300Hz, 8000Hz, 10000Hz, 12500Hz, 16000Hz (and 20000 if you want to test your hearing).
To save you figuring it out, and me answering questions, I've attached the files.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90236454/Sinewaves.zip

Install the Graphic Eq Component. Load the sinewaves in your playlist.

Using your ears only, in a quiet environment, play each file whilst using the EQ to try and get them all similar level. Here is where we all differ due to our different ears, heads, hair, and of course headphone variations. Here are my settings:

2.5k -3dB
3.15k -3dB
4k -2dB
5k -4dB
6.3k -5dB
8k 0 (no change)
10 -2.5dB
12.5k +4dB
16k +4dB (My hearing needs more but I don't want to over boost)
20k +4dB (Can't hear it but I didn't want to boost it any more and mess too much using DSP for no real gain.

And for countering the rolloff at 20Hz, add up to 5dB there.

You may need to do this adjustment a few times over a few days as you'll need to give your ears & brain a break. And don't have the volume too high.

The issue most audiophiles, including me, is to keep the signal chain pure. However, after many years in this game, I've come to learn that modest EQ does wonders with little cost to sound quality. Certainly, it has greater benefit than any cable mod or amp.

You're probably aware that many HD800 owners opt for a tube amp to tame these phones. This works in two ways -
a) The high output impedance of the tube amp causes a boost around 100Hz plus a loss of damping (bass control). This boosts bass at one narrow band (not needed there) and causes bass to be looser sounding.
b) The higher distortion of the tube extends the decay of sound which for some music, is pleasant.

Both are at the expense of speed, transients and clarity.

Both are forms of added distortion.

So with a decent quality solid state amp and modest EQ to boost relative bass only where needed, tame the upper mid/ lower treble peaks, you come out with a neutral, agile, spacious, high resolution sound.

Mod 1
The first one is simple but requires careful soldering & tools:
What you need
a) A Neutrik or other high quality TRS male plug
b) Matching female plug (socket)
c) Quality solder (I use German WBT high silver content)
d) Heatshrink
d) Good stripping / cutting tools
e) Soldering iron, Magnifiying heatgun

Simple - cut the factory cable at the 1m (3ft) mark. You may prefer slightly longer. The shorter the better, but it needs to reach your desktop amp when seated. For longer reaches, you use the female plug on the longer length. Warning - the HD800 innards are a REAL PAIN to work with as they're very fine fabric/wire strands.
You get all the benefits of the short cable - one-third the resistance, one-third the inductance, one-third the capacitance. And when you need a greater reach (say in your TV room), you attach the custom made extension.
Or, you make a short cable from scratch if you're capable.
You will surpass any $400 aftermarket 3-metre cable for sonics at a small cost. Or get some professional to do one for you. (We do it in Oz)

Mod 2: This one I haven't actually done yet and is on the potential list and up for debate:
1. Remove the dust covers from inside the cups (reach behind the straight part of the D earpad)
2. With a good knife, cut the circular flat part of the dust cover.
3. Return the dust covers in to position.

The major benefits of this mod are:
a) Nothing between you and the drivers (which can be done without cutting the dust covers to experiment)
b) The covers still act to slightly diffuse / damp reflections off the steel mesh and trapezoidal piece
c) The baffle (adjacent to the driver) is uncovered and unaffected.

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« Last Edit: November 06, 2014, 08:59:38 AM by Elmura »
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 10:55:25 AM »

Hi,

Thanks for this in-depth post about EQ'ing the HD800. I do have 2 questions:

- As we are more sensitive for different frequencies, is the method of eq'ing with a sine wave at a specific frequency really correct? ie 90db @ 4khz will be perceived louder than 90db @ 8khz, but they are both still 90db.

- The EQ's I work with (and know) all cut/boost relative to their faders/control next to it. ie if I cut -3db @ 2,5khz, this will start a slope, if I then cut -3db @ 3k15, this slope will extend, I then cut -2db @ 4khz, the slope should go up a little. However, because I'm cutting -4db @ 5khz, the slope has to go down again. What this all adds up to is that the actual cut @ 4khz will be between -3 and -4db. Just checking if this is what you expect / want.

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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 02:46:44 PM »


You're probably aware that many HD800 owners opt for a tube amp to tame these phones. This works in two ways -
a) The high output impedance of the tube amp causes a boost around 100Hz plus a loss of damping (bass control). This boosts bass at one narrow band (not needed there) and causes bass to be looser sounding.
b) The higher distortion of the tube extends the decay of sound which for some music, is pleasant.

Both are at the expense of speed, transients and clarity.

Both are forms of added distortion.


Are you sure there is only 2 ways?
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2014, 04:39:35 PM »

Trying to EQ by ear to a similar level is not necessarily a good idea. Human ears have different sensitivities at different frequencies.

You're probably aware that many HD800 owners opt for a tube amp to tame these phones. This works in two ways - a) The high output impedance of the tube amp causes a boost around 100Hz plus a loss of damping (bass control). This boosts bass at one narrow band (not needed there) and causes bass to be looser sounding.b) The higher distortion of the tube extends the decay of sound which for some music, is pleasant. Both are at the expense of speed, transients and clarity.Both are forms of added distortion.

The above is a gross generalization based on the performance of very high output Z OTL tube amps, tube amps with shitty output transformers, cheap tube amps from China used by the typical HF'er, or portable tube amps sold by ALO.
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2014, 07:29:03 PM »

Everybody's right.  You don't know what you're doing with those HD 800s.  Let me take them off your hand for a nominal fee, to save you the headache.

 :)p6

Marv, how should a layman without any special gear or much of a clue EQ the phones?  I know with speakers, there's an option to use pink noise and a mic with my Marantz receiver, but I don't know how I could manage something similar with phones without a specialized head shaped thing.
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2014, 09:31:23 PM »

Oh boy, a hydrogen audio troll.
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2014, 10:22:36 PM »

Marv, how should a layman without any special gear or much of a clue EQ the phones?  I know with speakers, there's an option to use pink noise and a mic with my Marantz receiver, but I don't know how I could manage something similar with phones without a specialized head shaped thing.

Just listen to gear (speakers, headphones, whatever) which is more or less neutral to get sense - a reference. And then use your ears and a graphic EQ with sufficient bands to adjust.

That's what I did in my car. Just EQ'd by ear until it sounded right. A set of initial gross tweaks, and then minor tweaks for the next few days. I didn't need to use test tones, measuring equipment, etc. A variety of music which you know should be sufficient.

I think LFF posted some ear training stuff. It's really not that hard. Maybe stuff like this: http://www.trainyourears.com/ (just an example - I can't vouch for it).
Another approach would be to make a lot of speakers, tuned by ear and measurements.

Tuning frequency response is as much art as science. 100% perfect FR is possible, but many times it's not desirable. For example, I may resort to slight a mid/high bass dip for drivers which have a lot of bass distortion. Or I may bump up the mid-bass on small desktop monitors that roll-off early. Or I may decide not to correct a driver which naturally has a dip around 2-3kHz because it works for a lot of naturally mic'd recordings in concert halls.
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2014, 11:01:06 PM »

moulton labs golden ears was pretty good
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 12:33:30 AM »

Good pointers.  Thanks gents.
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Re: Sennheiser HD800 Free Tweak + Mod
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 11:08:17 PM »

I took a significant amount of time to donate some audio expertise to help those who aren't yet audio snobs (anaxilus). I could have put this on Head-Fi but thought there might be less sheep here.

Let me tell you my background - I'm an engineer, an inventor, an IT technician, an Audio Visual supplier / system designer / installer, a custom cable builder, and I design & build homes on occasion.

Just because what I have described doesn't resonate with the status quo, it doesn't mean it's incorrect or trolling.

Victor25 and Marvey - You are correct that human ears have different sensitivities at different frequencies.  That's precisely why you need to correct for it. Your ears, and head both affect the sound pressure level you perceive (volume for the layman). When comparing frequency bands with a sine wave at 80dB, you should hear them at the same level - regardless of whether a microphone, picking up a small pin-point location, measures differently. A microphone or SPL Meter (which I use for some tests and configurations) are not ears and don't have a flesh & hair covered head around the sensor. For those who are open to learning more about this - there are many scientific studies that talk about this. Eg. Head Related Transfer Function aka HRTF, Ear Sensitivity, How we Hear.

Regarding valve amplifiers - I'm not going to enter the never ending debate of tube vs ss except to say that it takes a very good, large, expensive valve amp to match a much cheaper, smaller properly designed solid state in many technicalities.

The point I was making is that we need not choose amplifiers and cables for their equalisation effect when we can do it simply and often at zero cost.
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