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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2014, 09:20:21 PM »

Emphasis was used on very few (early) CD's and was there to increase the S/N ratio (crappy 14 bit DACs).
It starts to 'work' around 1kHz and lowers the treble to -10dB around 20kHz (3.5kHz=-3dB)
The treble was 'lifted' on recording (emphasis) and a control bit in the data that goes with the audio was set.
This way the DAC 'knows' it has to engage the de-emphasis filter resulting in 'normal' high frequency reproduction while lowering noise in the higher frequencies.
AFAIK de-emphasis isn't used any more and only some very early CD's had it.
De-emphasis should never 'engage' by itself and is controlled by a bit in the CD audio data stream.


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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2014, 10:30:52 PM »

Got my Classe Audio DAC-1 in just a bit ago and have been running it through some music. Very early impressions compared to NOS1704:

- Classe makes the NOS1704 sound a bit soft on a macro-dynamic level. Classe just sounds big and powerful in comparison with more kick.
- NOS1704 does better with rhythm, transients, etc. More quickly able to hit those micro black spots that gives music swing (though it is a more gray DAC overall). So while the Classe sounds bigger and has this sense of immediate kick, it has a harder time giving you the internal rhythm of more complex pieces. Kind of glosses it over a bit. I hear this a lot on DACs with oversampling, though much less so on something like 2x minimum phase slow roll-off.
- NOS1704 sounds a bit wooly and thick in the bass in comparison. On one hand, this makes the kick drum and bass guitar sound like they have more of a real body (which I really like), but the Classe lets bass pitch and some details through a bit more easily.
- NOS1704 is on the slightly warm, smooth side. A bit syrupy. Classe has more sparkle and life, especially up top, which can make some things pop more. Not sure if the Classe's tone is more on the cool side or if I'm just used to warmer NOS DACs and the Classe is actually balanced tonally. It doesn't sound lean, but listening to it sets me on edge a bit, where as I can ease into the NOS1704 - might just be the headache I have going on right now.
- Classe sounds more holographic, transparent, blacker, and spacious yet still has that body to the tone like the few R2R DACs I've heard vs. S/D. It definitely has this quality to the sound that is seductive without being some sort of coloration.

We'll see what more listening and some warm-up time does for the Classe, and if a lack of headache won't cause the Classe to set me more on edge. Sounds very good so far, no doubt, and offers some clear improvements over the NOS1704. It just remains to be seen what I'll end up preferring in the end, as I am known for being set on edge pretty easily with a lot of gear and find NOS DACs so far to put me most at ease. The Classe is a clear step up in many regards, so don't get me wrong. I just have weird ears and a weird brain - very sensitive for some reason.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2014, 10:39:17 PM »

I agree with nearly all of the above, btw hans does your Classe have anything that look like this (sorry if pic is blurry):



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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2014, 12:29:04 AM »

@Hans. What transport are you using?
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2014, 12:41:45 AM »

Title is a bit misleading now. $750 + Wyrd + OR5.

As most people use USB these days, even if not an OR, it would need some USB interface. You're then looking at $1000+ for a SFD-1mk2 that's usable in a modern system.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2014, 12:46:21 AM »

@Hans. What transport are you using?

Still the JKSPDIF thing. I would like to try others. I want to move away from what the JK uses, as I believe it is known for causing overshoot in the signal.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2014, 12:46:54 AM »

$750 is not misleading because it's being compared against AGD-M7 + (Wyrd + OR5) "USB Transport". While built-in USB of M7 is better now (not crap like how it used to be), it's still not nearly as good as with the (Wyrd + OR5) "USB Transport".
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2014, 01:43:16 AM »

Not all DACs benefit so much as the M7 did, though. A DAC with a well done USB implementation like my X-Sabre ($1100) could be cheaper than the SF + USB interface depending on the interface used. I suppose your inclusion of 'most modern DACs' lets you off the hook, but it's still misleading, IMO.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2014, 03:16:37 AM »

Add $250 CD player as transport to SFD-1. Still much better than X-Sabre ($1100) + Cheap laptop ($300) and at lower cost too.

The special-ness of the OR5 was always the i2s output, which was not needed in this case. My OR5 doesn't even have the SPDIF upgrades either. If you wanted to go PC route, I'm betting one of those $300-$500 USB to SPDIF converters would be sufficient to quality of X-SABRE USB (pretty decent, but not the best).

So in that case $750+$500 = $1250 ~ $1100, for a vintage DAC sound far far far superior than any SABRE based DAC. Hardly misleading.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2014, 09:44:58 AM »

Marv doesn't like Sabre IC based DAC's.
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