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Author Topic: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs  (Read 20792 times)

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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2014, 04:23:18 PM »

From what I'm reading the NOS1704 is in a non-oversampling configuration, so likely no (interpolation) filter. Perhaps a classic warm sounding NOS implementation. In Hands own words: http://www.head-fi.org/t/707935/audio-gd-nos-1704-dac-pcm1704uk-chips-nos-dac-with-cs8416
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2014, 04:23:35 PM »

Letsee, someone ordered a Classe too. I guess we are starting a run on vintage R2R DACs of that era?

Here's another one: http://www.tmraudio.com/product/undefined-1237
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2014, 04:24:44 PM »

From what I'm reading the NOS1704 is in a non-oversampling configuration, so likely no (interpolation) filter. Perhaps a classic warm sounding NOS implementation.

The strange thing is that my SFD-1 does sound "NOS"ey. Probably why certain people valued the PMD100.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2014, 04:44:05 PM »

As far as I can tell on the NOS1704, no upsampling, oversampling, etc. Same treble drop in FR, and high FR sine waves on oscilloscope looked nasty like they did from the Metrum. I could be wrong, though. I'll have to compare when I get the Classe in, but I never heard that AGD DAC as soft relative to others. Well, it did have a super slight touch of dynamic grayness and compression (vs. transient smoothing I often hear from high-OS DACs), and small details were sometimes made more noticeable than they should be. I was surprised the NOS1704 measured well with THD, it was a good bit more resolving than the Metrums, and sounded more like a smooth S/D DAC (you get the idea).

Anyway, perhaps the PMD100 does sound good. It's hard to get a good idea how it sounds since impressions floating around often don't have personal taste mixed into the context. "PMD100 sucks! Can't do more than 16/48! Insta-replacement! Lacks detail and clarity!" And, for all I know, these are the guys that would like sabre DACs. I should have the Classe in today or tomorrow to hear it for myself, though it might not be representative of the type of sound you're getting from the SFD.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2014, 04:46:51 PM »

Lest 'ye forget the non-pin compatible pmd200!  Anyone have moar infos about the pmd 200?
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2014, 05:17:49 PM »

@Hans. I noted the M7 was also more gray as well - background not as black. Also SFD-1 was more rolled off in last octave where I brought back the supertweeters last night. The Fostex sigmas are wide-range, not full range after all.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2014, 05:19:15 PM »

The strange thing is that my SFD-1 does sound "NOS"ey. Probably why certain people valued the PMD100.

The PMD100 and the NPC 5803 (http://www.npcamerica.com/pdf/OLD_Products/SM5803AP-APT.pdf) have this de-emphasis filter which may or may not be activated in the SFD-1 solution. I think it's a reverse RIAA emphasis filter. That may or may not account for the roll off.

The NPC 5803 has some description of the interpolator filters. Pretty good anti-NOS image rejection there.

As a side thing I'm noticing these processors  seem to have been designed to talk to the Yammy YM3623B interface. Didn't know Yammy was that well entrenched there.

Lest 'ye forget the non-pin compatible pmd200!  Anyone have moar infos about the pmd 200?

Interwebz yields this:
http://www.hifimaker.com/documents/pmd200.pdf
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2014, 05:37:32 PM »

I have heard two pmd100 bases DACs(assemblage 2.0 and adcom gda700) and prefer my DF1700 based gda600 to either of them.Mine uses the pcm63 too though while the other two are pcm1702 based.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2014, 05:54:29 PM »

The PMD100 and the NPC 5803 (http://www.npcamerica.com/pdf/OLD_Products/SM5803AP-APT.pdf) have this de-emphasis filter which may or may not be activated in the SFD-1 solution. I think it's a reverse RIAA emphasis filter. That may or may not account for the roll off.

You are thinking too hard about it. I'm talking about subjective DAC differences over usual test tracks and I doubt anything in my collection was ripped from CDs with the emphasis flag turned on. Maybe one of two from early CDs, but was probably corrected and accounted for by the ripping software.
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Re: Sonic Frontiers SFD-1mk2 Vintage DAC for $750 That Stomps Most Modern DACs
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2014, 06:35:15 PM »

Dunno then. Other than that I can only think of the implementation of the interpolators and such. I would have said the full DAC system implementation (board, caps and so on), but seems the culprit might be the PMD100 itself.
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