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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #430 on: December 02, 2014, 07:50:12 AM »

Maybe add Hifimans to the IEM side of things (both RE400 and RE600

Read from Reply #368 and on:

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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #431 on: December 02, 2014, 08:28:14 AM »

TH900 is nice on the Stratus though.


The Fostex is incredibly nice on the Sonett too.  Everyone knows How i disliked the TH900 but the try in my sonett Changed my opinion. DNA amps seem to do wonders ( miracles should I say) with this fostex.

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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #432 on: December 03, 2014, 07:11:28 AM »

RE400/RE600 plasticky? What. What. What. What. What. I strongly disagree. If anything, they're metallic timbre - sounds like plate reverb or a trumpet, but much less pronounced than RE-ZERO. Old RE0 were plasticky.

They are dark sounding though and the Hifiman player is dark too, so that's an extremely bad combination. Really. That Hifiman player should be banned, it sports high output impedance and a huge high end roll off.

Applying a bit of equalizer fixes this right away - they do extend to 20k, but are very rolled off. This causes the "bland" or "muffled" feeling, the 2k boost could be gone too, but is not too annoying.
RE272 were somewhat better balanced, but still not bright.
GR07 are much more plastic-sounding and less extended, but much better balanced out of the box - unfortunately the flaws they have are not as easily fixed...
They approach neutrality from two sides of sorts for a dynamic, RE from the dark side and GR07 from the bright side.

UERM and TWFK bros (DBA-02/B2/GR01) are on the other hand aggressive sounding, sharing that with Etys.
(With UERM having only a slight hint of that.) And the TWFKs are actually way less extended than RE series - large roll-off at 16kHz and a sharp wall at 18kHz nothing can really fix. (except being deaf)

I really do not prefer the large 6-7k hike in TWFKs. It's like having your ears drilled. (And the ones that have the filter (GR01, DBA-02 mkII) sound muffled and cannot be equalized, unlike the originals.)
« Last Edit: December 03, 2014, 07:42:05 AM by AstralStorm »
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #433 on: December 03, 2014, 07:41:24 AM »

RE400/RE600 plasticky? What. What. What. What. What. I strongly disagree.

They are dark sounding though and the Hifiman player is dark too, so that's an extremely bad combination. Really. That Hifiman player should be banned, it sports high output impedance and a huge high end roll off.

Applying a bit of equalizer fixes this right away - they do extend to 20k, but are very rolled off. This causes the "bland" or "muffled" feeling, the 2k boost could be gone too, but is not too annoying.
RE272 were somewhat better balanced, but still not bright.
GR07 are much more plastic-sounding and less extended, but much better balanced out of the box - unfortunately the flaws they have are not as easily fixed...
They approach neutrality from two sides of sorts for a dynamic, RE from the dark side and GR07 from the bright side.

UERM and TWFK bros (DBA-02/B2/GR02) are on the other hand aggressive sounding, sharing that with Etys.
(With UERM having only a slight hint of that.) And the TWFKs are actually way less extended than RE series - large roll-off at 16kHz and a sharp wall at 18kHz nothing can really fix. (except being deaf)

I really do not prefer the large 6-7k hike in TWFKs. It's like having your ears drilled.

1-I seriously doubt the sound of veil, bland or muffledness is from what happens at 20khz.  For example, you claim the TWFKs roll off earlier (which they do) and neither have the muffle, veil or anything remotely close to it.  Any hit the UERM takes compared to the DBA in this department is more due any combination of crossover issues and/or acoustic tuning in a custom shell or filter choice.

2-A lot of your treble issues with TWFKs are simply the immense length of your ear canals which are longer than I have ever seen before.  You simply can't obtain the proper acoustic impedance to balance the signature and tame treble issues of those IEMs the way many others can.

3-I do agree with your assessment of the GR07 though.  Plastic+etch/sizzle+bloom is just too much timbre trouble even though the overall sig has a seemingly neutral signature that should please.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #434 on: December 03, 2014, 07:44:04 AM »

No, REs are rolled off, not cut in highs. Think ancient vinyl x2. They reach -16 dB at 20k, but it starts around 3kHz. First order Butterworth kind in shape.
By the way, Olive-Weiti is wrong for IEMs, overestimates high frequencies. It does work for headphones though.

Now about TWFK - I've managed to get one of those lodged really deep in ear canal with the same filter. (Modded the heck out of B2 shell.) It helps, but not enough. Instead of 12 dB of annoying boost I get 6 dB of annoying boost. Makes them listenable, but still not pleasant. (This in comparison to 3 dB boost in GR07.)
« Last Edit: December 03, 2014, 08:03:14 AM by AstralStorm »
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #435 on: December 03, 2014, 08:00:59 AM »

Well, looks like the peak went in the right direction lol.  I'm impressed you went that far to try it.  Bottom line is they call them 'universals' but really YMMV.  ;)
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #436 on: December 03, 2014, 01:39:30 PM »

Fuck it, I'm putting it up. Mainly because the TH900 brings certain unique niche qualities not found on other dynamics. Conditional. If anyone objects, say so now.

Wholeheartedly in favor.I still <3 the TH900.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #437 on: December 03, 2014, 01:48:21 PM »

I spent some time with it on the DNA. No objections.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #438 on: December 03, 2014, 03:07:14 PM »

Spent a lot of time with the Th 900 and the G/M stack. While certainly enjoyable for rock, the whole set up resulted in a more pronounced V shaped experience. Could not have extended sessions with this in spite of the ridiculously comfortable HP.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #439 on: December 03, 2014, 03:59:19 PM »

Yeah, I definitely don't hear the RE400 as plasticky either. Just dark. Still think they're a valid option seeing as how there have been QC issues with the Tenores.
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