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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #160 on: October 08, 2014, 06:47:34 PM »
Not seeing the big difference there (perhaps some product variation or small change the enclosure?):

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGQuincyJonesQ701.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK712.pdf

Similar impedance plot, sensitivity. Tyll says it might be a little warmer.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelity-november-2013-update

Again, not seeing nite and day difference there.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #161 on: October 08, 2014, 06:51:19 PM »
Quote from: ultrabike on October 08, 2014, 06:37:11 PM
Interesting. Could be wrong, but I thought the Q701 and the K712 where virtually the same headphone.

K712 is virtually the same as K702 anniversary. Those two are tuned warmer than the Q701.

K702 and K701 are virtually the same. Less full than Q701 (which is not really full to start with).

Then comes inconsistencies between samples of the same model...
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2014, 06:55:57 PM »
Nope. We are definitely not Europe. Not USA either. (HF is very much USA). Not Computer Audiophile. Not Hydrogen Audio.

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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #163 on: October 08, 2014, 06:56:10 PM »
If the 712 is pretty much the same as the 702 65th AE, no thanks. Had some good characteristics, but high-mid/low-treble bump hurt me ears, and, again, didn't do well at high volumes. Perhaps mods could fix it right up, as I heard promising areas otherwise, but I've been so, so much more satisfied with the HD600/650.


(Keep in mind I found the PM-2 annoying due to rough treble even though it was relatively recessed and somewhat masked by that. This stuff sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Also why I had to mod the HD600 to listen for more than an hour - but it still was less painful than the 702 AE by far.)
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #164 on: October 08, 2014, 06:58:55 PM »
Biggest improvement with the K712 over the regular K70x was getting rid of the horrible bumps in the headband. That said, I wasn't a huge fan of either and would gladly take either the DT880 or HD600 over them.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #165 on: October 08, 2014, 07:01:30 PM »
Quote from: hans030390 on October 08, 2014, 06:56:10 PM
If the 712 is pretty much the same as the 702 65th AE, no thanks. Had some good characteristics, but high-mid/low-treble bump hurt me ears, and, again, didn't do well at high volumes. Perhaps mods could fix it right up, as I heard promising areas otherwise, but I've been so, so much more satisfied with the HD600/650.


(Keep in mind I found the PM-2 annoying due to rough treble even though it was relatively recessed and somewhat masked by that. This stuff sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Also why I had to mod the HD600 to listen for more than an hour - but it still was less painful than the 702 AE by far.)

I can see how K712 Pro could irritate you if you tend to listen high... HD600/HD650 are smoother.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #166 on: October 08, 2014, 07:01:36 PM »
New nomination: Beyer DT880 600 ohm.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #167 on: October 08, 2014, 07:04:25 PM »
Quote from: marvey on October 08, 2014, 07:01:36 PM
New nomination: Beyer DT880 600 ohm.

As much as I don't like HD600/HD650, DT880 are even worse... so please don't!  :)p13

I nominate: Shure 1440 8)



They sound even worse than measure, I can tell you that...
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #168 on: October 08, 2014, 07:11:47 PM »
Quote from: marvey on October 08, 2014, 07:01:36 PM
New nomination: Beyer DT880 600 ohm.

Yes, I second this.

Quote from: Tor4 on October 08, 2014, 07:04:25 PM
Quote from: marvey on October 08, 2014, 07:01:36 PM
New nomination: Beyer DT880 600 ohm.

As much as I don't like HD600/HD650, DT880 are even worse... so please don't!  :)p13

I nominate: Shure 1440 8)



It sounds even worse than it measures, I can tell you that...

If that headphone makes it onto our Leaderboard I request to be  walk the plank2 and I'll swim back to Head-Fi. Just no.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #169 on: October 08, 2014, 07:14:55 PM »
OK. Yeah, possible the Shure 1440 sucks more than the Q701 and all of it's re-incarnations. But the Q701 + undead versions, are still no go in my book. That includes the possibly under-awesome K712 based on the "sight" differences I'm seeing in the measurements and on what I heard form the Q/K701/2...
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