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Author Topic: Alpha Dog Review and Measurements (Newer Revision with Damping Dots and Felt)  (Read 9886 times)

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Gotcha. I think part of it comes down to the choice of the front damping foam Dan uses. Before sending them in for quick repairs, I was experimenting with an Anax-style front damping config with other, supplemental disc materials, namely open-cell foams. Subjectively, I thought this helped them out a bit with reducing that glare, but I didn't spend a lot of time with it to say that definitively. I think there is some potential if one wants to make the effort, though it does appear difficult to smooth the 5-6KHz bump without affecting the surrounding areas as well.
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I was going through the tweaks and it seems there are a bit of different dot versions: "The black outer ring was the original design.  We did make a switch to white when we added a wall to surround the foam"

http://www.head-fi.org/t/676095/mrspeakers-alpha-dog-revealed-the-worlds-first-production-3d-printed-headphones/7800#post_10809601

According to Dan it was "mostly for cosmetic reasons". Are there any SQ variations due to different tweaks to the tweaks?

There are also some reports on tweak geometry variations:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/676095/mrspeakers-alpha-dog-revealed-the-worlds-first-production-3d-printed-headphones/7815#post_10817560

According to Dan, tweak size "xyz dimensional size is a minor variable" and it "doesn't change the sound", which is a bit counter-intuitive.

Seems like a lot of variables to me...

BTW, I also heard the treated AD at the LA meet and thought it was OK. It does seem to get a bit warmer with the version of the tweaks it used, but IMO some detail extraction was lost.
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Apparently the tuning vents on the outside of my cups were close to the edge of within specification (the cutout where you can see the tuning screw). Dan drilled them out a bit and was able to fix the channel imbalances that way for me. I know the T50RP drivers, at least in mods like this, can be pretty picky about venting.

While this was no biggie in my mind (sent it in, free fix, pretty easy), this does create further variables due to slight variances in 3D printing and/or application of finish and paint.

In most cases, I don't think these small variances will lead to much in terms of audible differences from AD to AD, especially for less discerning listeners. But, with all that and the T50RP drivers themselves, it does open the possibility for some pairs sounding a bit better overall than others. If someone really wanted to improve the sound, though, it would probably be more productive to focus on actual damping configurations and such. From just an enclosure/housing design perspective, I think the AD has a lot going for it.
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For users knowledgeable and eager to perform mods, these things may not be a problem.

For the perhaps more general public which just wants something that sounds great w/o further ado, and expecting a particular signature, these variations might be problematic.

I think the tweaks are a good idea (though perhaps not tweaks to the tweaks). However, I personally feel the performance variations in the stock product should be kept to a minimum as much as possible to avoid the "box of chocolates" effect.
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To be fair, I do think performance variations are probably pretty minimal, but my pair is proof they can exist even at very minor degrees due to the many variables discussed. Those channel imbalances I mentioned were actually rather slight in the grand scheme of things (hard to measure, though I think this was in the realm of things that measurements couldn't capture well due to other T50RP mod + venting measurements I've tried), it sounded pretty much like the tour unit I tried with tweaks, and I've seen worse in reputable brands. I noticed it, but I'm not sure the general public would. Plus, Tyll's AD measurements make me think the products are relatively consistent within Dan's set specs, so I don't want to make it sound like it's a crapshoot when you buy an AD. I'm assuming they all sound pretty much the same if using the same configuration...just a tiny bit of wiggle room for some pairs to be better or worse overall, but we're probably the only people that would care much! (I wish I had taken better/more measurements of the AD when I first got it in to do a hard comparison of how something like drilling out the vent might affect the sound.)
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When I tried the Alphas on my woodied T50RPs, I found that bass elevation (at least part of it) and 8kHz dip result from the use of Alpha pads. This is what I find negative. But the Alphas also elevated the response around 2-5kHz somewhat, which is desirable.
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When I tried the AD for the first time we had a pretty good conversation with Dan about consistency of ribbon-planar drivers. It's a well known fact that this type of driver is the most difficult to manufacture with consistent characteristics due to the inevitable variations in their magnetic properties. Knowing all of this well I wasn't surprised Dan wanted me to listen to a particular one of his sets stating it was fairly close to the reference one he keeps in the office.
   Overall I don't have a problem with this, everyone wants to demo their best but the thing is variations between these drivers can be quite dramatic especially affecting upper high and lower frequency ranges to the point of one set sounding grainy up top and the other overblown  on the bottom.
   In the end this becomes a major problem when general public start reading opinions of Purr1n or Hans on aforementioned Alpha Dogs or what LFF and Tyll think of PM1s. I think with these drivers reviewers should get couple of sets anonymously and this would be the only right way to determine the truth. Otherwise everyone will just think Purr1n, LFF, Hans, Tyll  etc all have ear problems which only becomes apparent when they evaluate planars.
   This is something I realized after dealing with six different sets of OPPOs I listened and measured but I will continue my thoughts in one of the OPPO threads.
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I wonder if this is why the demo sent to purrin doesn't sound as good as the demo set at the table from the Bay area meet.  So what we need are about 4-6 different PM1s to measure for potential driver variation.  Did you try swapping pads on your sample set to rule out pad variation?
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Same types of pads from different sets all measure the same on one driver, so the variation in pad quality is out. Though all the different pads measure different on one driver (four different types that I have).
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Gotcha.  So there are possibly golden samples out there and not so golden samples.  Sounds strangely familiar...
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