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Final Audio Design LAB I
« on: May 29, 2014, 10:33:06 PM »

Not long ago (53 days, to be precise), Anaxilus said to me, "Music, feel free to start a thread on the FAD LAB I if you like"; my response, "…Don't think I should be starting a thread as no-one would really be getting these budget IEMs, and I very much doubt there'd be much interest, tbh. It's likely, though, FAD will have (an)other version(s) of it. But FYI, these sound nothing like the FIBASS — this is a dual-BA IEM with no crossovers; they use a "full-range dual balanced armature driver". But, never mind the specs (and marketing), the LAB I is the best phone I've heard. There."

So, why start a LAB I thread now? Two reasons: a) seems FAD will soon be releasing two iterations of the LAB I, the Heaven VII & Heaven VIII, and b) If the H VII & H VIII are released, perhaps these phones (will) need to be brought to people's attention.

I never started a LAB I thread for several reasons:

a) only 150 units were produced — even if there was some real interest, these phones are practically unobtainable.
b) each unit retailed for 160,000 yen (~$1,600 USD) in Japan.
c) FAD isn't a company many so-called audiophiles care for (apologies for using the term "so-called" as I personally don't regard many, err, so-called / self-declared audiophiles as true, errrr, audiophiles — FWIW, I don't call myself an "audiophile" (can't stand the term, actually), but someone with pretty good music taste and a fairly decent pair of ears)
d) music_4321 ain't exactly very popular round these parts — this is not a witty (or confrontational) remark, just a simple fact.

I'm of the opinion that the H VII & H VIII will sound almost identical to the LAB I, but will retail for a lot less, though most likely still remain very expensive—TOTL FAD phones (FIBASS, 1601s & 1602s) are not mass-produced, one reason why they're so expensive.

Several audiophiles who have heard the 160Xs phones have been, er, shocked? to learn just how 'bad' these phones are; other seasoned ears actually find them quite unique and more than palatable. The FIBASS, FIBASB, and other earlier Heaven series phones are seen in a much, MUCH better sonic light from an, er, 'audiophile' standpoint. Why, then, might one ask, did FAD produce such good IEMs—though admittedly expensive—and produced the 160Xs, which have been referred to as "abominations" or "a piece of sh1t" by some? Perhaps FAD intended such an "abomination" to be manufactured?, not once (the 1601), but twice (the 1602)!, the latter perhaps being a slightly bigger "abomination" than the former.

Okay, onto the LAB I:

The LAB I is the best phone I've personally heard — I do reach for it much more often than my all-time favourite, the Senn HD800.

Yesterday I received a perfect-fitting pair of UERMs; it's early days still, but I can (almost) confidently say the UERM may well be the second best IEM I've ever heard (besting my other favourites, the K3003, ER-4S & F111 [the 1601SS & 1602SS do not count as they're just too different sounding—definitely an acquired taste—though two phones I personally need in my life, phones that give me something no other phone can, at times they're simply a compelling listen]).

If there's genuine interest, I'll respond and perhaps write a couple of more in-depth posts comparing the LAB I to some other phones. In the meantime, and FWIW, here's something I posted yesterday: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1307.msg42791.html#new

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmN9QRWbreg
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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2014, 09:44:14 AM »

What's up with the bird?
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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2014, 10:07:01 AM »

describe sound plz
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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2014, 10:42:30 AM »

Would Mr munch seriously consider spending $700 - $1,000+ (a guess) on a universal IEM (H VII or H VIII) if he liked my sonic impressions of the LAB I?
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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2014, 10:48:33 AM »

Would Mr munch seriously consider spending $700 - $1,000+ (a guess) on a universal IEM (H VII or H VIII) if he liked my sonic impressions of the LAB I?

You know there are people here who actually have this IEM. Besides you.


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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2014, 10:51:40 AM »


You know there are people here who actually have this IEM. Besides you.


Good.
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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2014, 12:57:31 PM »

Would Mr munch seriously consider spending $700 - $1,000+ (a guess) on a universal IEM (H VII or H VIII) if he liked my sonic impressions of the LAB I?
well, most likely not. but I think it's interesting to read about different 'phones whatever they might be, and it's fun to try things even if you're not planning on buying them... and with so many different phones to choose from... you get the point! it is the main aspect of the product, and it'd be nice to at least mention something about that, right?
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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2014, 12:29:56 AM »

A student like Mr munch (with limited funds) should not be checking the contents of this thread. Mr munch says, "...it'd be nice to at least mention something about that, right?". Hmm... A few days ago someone wrote to me asking about the LAB I — here's what I wrote to them (note I don't mention my UERMs because at the time I wrote that email I had not received them):

Have had my pair for 2.5 months.

--  "Is it a specialty, like PF?" —— No. Not at all. The PF is an acquired taste, the LAB isn't.

--  The LAB I is the best phone I've ever heard, and that includes preferring it over my HD800s. BUT, as you (should) know, this is my preference, and I do know for a fact they would not impress that many people.

--  I would definitely not describe it as dark, but it does have a hint of warmth, but I still would not describe it as a warm-sounding phone. It is not bright-sounding, and is actually closer to having a neutral / flat sig.

--  If you're coming from the K3003 or the Ditas, the LABs will sound almost wrong/bad; if you're coming from the LABs, the AKGs & Answer will sound wrong/bad.

--  Even though the LAB's upper mids/lower treble may seem somewhat polite, specially when coming from the aforementioned phones, the LABs are VERY resolving, almost shockingly so; the midrange, in particular, is very resolving. This is not an airy phone, but treble sounds awfully right, surprisingly so, and this is not a case of one having to really focus to hear those details up there. So, how can cymbals still sound so very right? God knows.

--  The midrange is my favourite part of this phone and it is the best, most convincing midrange I've heard to date in any phone — not forward like the 160Xs, but very present, with the most perfect note weight and tonality/timbre I've ever heard.

--  The low-end, to these ears, is just great, it extends pretty well and is very linear while never being lean/thin, and has dynamic-type qualities in its tonality.

--  Strings, drums & percussions are rendered beautifully, somewhat surprising for a non V / U-shaped type or bright-sounding phone. Do note I had issues with the Dita's treble (that's why I sold them), as well as with the KAEDE's & EX1000's top-end, and, to some extent, with the FIBASS' treble too — the K3003 is the only bright-ish phone I've heard with a treble/upper mids lift that has, to these ears, very convincing tonality and note weight in that part of the spectrum, and also the best mids out of these phones.

--  The cohesiveness of the LAB I is simply stunning — even though it's a dual-BA phone, it sounds like a single-driver IEM (note I didn't say single-BA), except that it is reminiscent of the dynamic driver used in the 160Xs and this translates into a phone that has a very vintage, evocative type of sound—perhaps that emotional aspect that only the 160Xs are capable of, but these are emotions brought out in a diff way — I cannot put it into words, tbh, that's the best I can do to describe it. So, no, the LAB I isn't 'weird' like the 160Xs, but it's not a FIBASS, K3003, Dita Answer or KAEDE.

--  After 2-3 days with the LABs, I came to the conclusion that the tuning FAD had achieved was very, VERY mature (dare I say masterful?) — this is a 'no bells & whistles' type of phone, no sonic pyrotechnics, no initial WOW effect a la Dita & KAEDE, no need to impress in the ordinary sense, but a phone that has made it increasingly difficult for me to use any of my other excellent phones, a phone that started to really grow on me from the second day onwards...to this day. The LAB I is a solid performing phone, one that impresses when you least expect it.
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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2014, 02:13:41 AM »

:( not sure if joking but that's not a nice view on the hobby. we all try things without buying them. curiousity and stuff. but I'll just assume it was a joke, cause that seems a bit absurd and I don't really know you. :p

but thanks for posting this. I'm a midrange lover myself as well, and now I do want to try these... just not sure where to expect bass levels and quality. any roll-offs in either of the extremes?
midrange is thicker but resolving, or thinner? like LCD-2/3 or more like HD800? (not in relation to the other parts of the spectrum) I notice you say 'weight' there but I can't tell if you like it lighter or heavier weighted. coming from K3003 and HD800, maybe a bit thinner sounding?

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Re: Final Audio Design LAB I
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2014, 03:02:46 AM »

Oh man.  Trying things is dangerous.  I don't know how many times I have said in this hobby, "I'll never get something like that".  :)p8

I'll get the Tenores but wait until these new models come out to try them at a meet someday.  Good to know that they are worth trying, I haven't bothered to seek any FAD out yet.
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