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chetlanin

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Welcome to the pad-less phones of the future!

The man of the future will probably have his head in the cloud. A digital 3D image of its outer shape, that is (floating thoughtlessly around in the ether).
 So, when when ordering a new hat or glasses or wigs from a netshop, future man will get an exact fit! Also when buying headphones, a 3D printer will spit out “inserts” fitting the individual head + the phones in question. Nothing could be simpler!

But let the future take care of itself, as the philosopher says (or ought to say), what interest me is the following question:
How would a present DIY version most easily be made?  Any suggestions?





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Doesn't the padless headphone already exist?

And I'm not sure if custom molded headphones for each person's ears would be good or not, like CIEMs they'd have terrible resale value, and I bet our faces change shape as we age, especially with weight loss or weight gain.
Also, it may not be very comfortable to move your jaw with those on.
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I really like this idea.  :)p1

Maybe it doesn't necessarily have to have custom fit if it uses more than one material so it has different capacities for compression along the different parts of the head. (Are Beyer gel pads anything like this in their effect?)
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Apart from the lofty rambling about the future  (just rhetorics, sorry),  I wonder if there are not real headphones that would profit from the suggested solution. The old Koss ESP-9 (closed-can ELS), for example, is resting on the ear with a crushing force, and  is achieving its - much needed-  seal by using the poor outer ear as a kind of gasket. The volume of the enclosed air is made small this way, and a maximum of bass energy is transferred to he inner ear, at least as it happens in my imagination. (in addition these very clean sounding phones needs some extra bass input through EQ, but going that route alone will put limits on how loud they can play, as one does not want the membranes to crash into the stators earlier than needed, so to speak). Now, equipping such phones with big, soft and  lossy cushions to solve the comfort issue simply does not feel right! Hard pads like those suggested I think might be a better solution, esp if fitted not only exactly to the surface of head,  but also exactly to the size of the outer ear. (Individual fitting would allow one to even fill in the space behind the ear somewhat, in case one wanted to reduce the amount of enclosed air as much as possible).

Other, in particular resting-on-ear phones,  might also be  candidates for this kind of potential improvement  through “padlessness”.

 Perhaps one even could give the HD-800 some more substance in the bass by going this route, who knows. (do they not feel a tad loose?).

But how to build an “insert” to test it out? What materials to use (without laser scanners and 3-D printers at hand)?
Is it possible to have made an exact physical 1:1 model of ones head? (then one could manually, layer by layer, build the insert “in situ” with some synthetic modelling clay, say).
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Hmmmmm… insert (head/chin scratcher smilie) here

I have an 'old' spare set of pads for my 800's

And one word comes to mind for a suitable 'filler material'

Memory Foam,
Which I also have a suitable supply, with which to fuss.

Hmmmmm… insert (head/chin scratcher smilie) here


But aside from this DIY approach what is the name of the company that is making Hi-Zoot earpads?




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Most peoples' skulls have similar contours around the ears, with the biggest variance between male and female, and a bit between different races of people. Presumably you could design two types, to account for those with more prominent cheekbones/jaws etc, and those with more subdued contours.

Memory-foam is mandatory to account for smaller individual variances, and the actual shaping can be done by measuring a large sample of people of every race and gender then averaging sets of the data.
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Thanks for the input.




Claypads. Made to determine how solid pads with good seal would influence on the sound of the ESP-9 cans. ( toy clay/plasticine used, not real clay of course)

With this solution the cans move to the over-ear category, from on-ear. You will also notice an additional bonus in a more attractive angling of the drivers, easily/naturally achieved, and also I think the more irregular shape of the cavity will be of advantage.

In use: First of all it was a pleasant sensation when I suddenly realized that I could get a good seal even with low pressure, and that the pressure was evenly distributed around the ear (one of the big theoretical advantages with this solution). Using solid pads instead of soft pads seems at first counter-intuitive,  but individually fitted, solid or semi-solid pads may be the real non-compromise solution - some insignificant cases of practicality aside.

Perhaps the main advantage with this (with the ESP-9 cans) is the mentioned liberation of the outer ear. The cans still need almost the same degree of EQ to take down the mids around 1k and to boost the bass,  but given this –and looking away from the LCD2-ish weight- I can think of no cans I have heard coming close in overall appeal, sonically speaking.

One question remains: How to make such pads in a lighter and more durable material?
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Heat-shapeable foam? I've seen shoe insoles that are like that. You put them in the oven at very low heat then stand on them for a minute for them to form, and after they cool they have the proper imprint.
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Heat-shapeable foam? I've seen shoe insoles that are like that. You put them in the oven at very low heat then stand on them for a minute for them to form, and after they cool they have the proper imprint.


     
Hm yes. Something like “Cernit Oven-Bake Modeling Clay” perhaps? Will have to find out how easy it is to work with. But hardening with the clay in place on the cans would be impossible, and removing it before baking would probably give deformations. Hm, perhaps place some kind of stiff metal plate under the clay before shaping it.(sounds kind of promising!).Or maybe some kind of molding would be easier after all, if one found the right materials? (Or carving in wood, if one had the ability or patience)…..
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Heat-shapeable foam? I've seen shoe insoles that are like that. You put them in the oven at very low heat then stand on them for a minute for them to form, and after they cool they have the proper imprint.

I think he is talking about something like this [link]http://www.jmsplastics.com/thermoplastic/thermoplastic.php[/link] , you can heat it up, apply to head, then allow to cool into shape. You could do a layer of denser resin nearer the driver (using same method), then do an outer layer of the softer foam-like stuff.

That actually sounds very comfy. Also, if you use a headband with adjustable tension...
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