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March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« on: March 23, 2014, 04:38:11 PM »

Great job to the organizers. Lots of vendors and stuff there to play with!
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2014, 05:30:53 PM »

Big thanks to everyone.  Was great to meet all the folks old and new!

Some thoughts:

The EAR stuff was pretty awful to me.  AK240 still sounds mediocre, worse than the 120.  It did sound a bit better via balanced but not enough to change anything versus the 120. Hugo has issues.  GSXmk2 is pretty bad tbh, I keep trying to give it a shot but it's always the same story with that thing.  Phonitor2 is slightly better than the 1 but still uderperforming for the price if taking the amp on its own merits without the knobs.  If you like the knobs its a diffrent story.  The new motorized pot and red LED effect was cool and pretty.  AGD S2 or A2 or whatever is noticeable step down from M7, even perhaps more so than the Sabre version.  X5 as a AIO DAP was mediocre, sounded better to me as a source into the Leck. New 2A3mk2 had a very synergistic pairing w/ the HD800 like the original S7 prototype but better in everyway.  For those looking to tune the 800 with a rich 2A3 sound that might be an option if one doesn't want to commit higher up the food chain.
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2014, 08:45:43 PM »

Audio-GD M7 vs.  SA-2
Had a DAC-off here on my rig (4-45 / HD800 on Abyss). The M7 was fed from the OR5 with HDMI i2s (I'll explain later). The SA-2 (musical series) was fed with the BNC from the OR5. The M7 could have had an advantage here because of the i2s; but it shouldn't have been that much, or maybe there really is that much of a difference?

The M7 was warmer sounding despite it being a "reference series" DAC. However, the M7 did have slightly better or sharper delineated attacks. So maybe the "musical" series equipment is just a tad softer. The M7 had a wider and much deeper presentation. M7 also extracted more plankton - was able to hear ambient cues, noise grain, etc. better.

The differences were shockingly notable at the turn of the input dial on the 4-45. Whoever thinks all DACs sound the same or are indistinguishable should have tried this (or used more resolving / better downstream gear.)

AK120 vs. AK240
The AK240 has all sorts of new functionality, mainly the ability to stream wirelessly (cool), and native DSD playback (don't give a sh1t). Streaming DSD will suck up battery power faster. Still the unit is expected to last for many many hours. However, it my understanding the DSD bit patterns transmitted through the air may fry testicles or cause insanity.

The AK240 is slightly more powerful than the AK120 (spec-wise), but honestly, I think it's a tiny step back in sound quality. The Cirrus DAC chips I've heard have never sounded nasty, but they have a tendency of sounding a bit on the boring side. This seems to be the case here. They should have stuck to Wolfson of the AK120, but maybe the Cirrus stuff gave them the DSD functionality that they needed?

BTW, I love the futuristic design and charging dock.

HDVD800
I was rather surprised because this sleek rectangular box exceeded my expectations. I tend to shun products which receive a lot of hype from the usual sources, but this DAC/headamp combo unit seemed to be a really good match with the Sennheiser headphones (HD700 excepted, mainly because the HD700 sounds bad despite whatever is feeding it.)

The SE output wasn't all that great, kind of murky sounding. The balanced out was pretty darn good. Really nice clarity, separation, blackground, and best of all fairly smooth sounding. Uncanny refined for solid-state. I didn't get a chance to try this amp with my set of "marginal" recordings, but given that the HD800s I tried used were in 100% stock form, I'm tending to believe it would be a good match. I mean, the HD800s were still bright, but at least they weren't difficult with glare, hardness, etc. Probably still a tiny of grain.

No, this is not the last word in maximizing the HD800's potential, but I felt it was pretty darn good in synergizing with the HD800. But then again, it would have been pretty darn embarrassing for Sennheiser to make a DAC/amp that sounded like sh1t with their headphones. I recognized some of the same reps, and I'm sure Sennheiser has seen it's share of embarrassing moments, i.e. when people told them their HD800 sounded like sh1t out of their amps or when people pointed out to them their Anax mods.
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2014, 08:58:55 PM »

Eagles Hotel California (Live) and Daft Punk Get Lucky
LOL, it would seem the universe is catching on to the DAC-Off pirate's use of one particular track (Hotel California). One we've been using since at least the last two SHOWs in Irvine. (Contrary to popular belief, the SHOW is NOT in Newport Beach, it's actually in Irvine where a lot of chinks or gooks like me reside. But you know, saying Irvine might scare away people because of this.)

But the use of Hotel CA (Live) is a good thing. It's a much better differentiator of gear than any of the Patricia Barber or Diana Krall recordings.

I swear, every time I walked into a room, I heard at least one person listening to Hotel California to evaluate gear. Also heard a LOT OF Get Lucky by Daft Punk. My favorite tracks on that album are Giorgio By Morodor (in which is tells his story - very cool), and Beyond. I try to avoid Get Lucky now after many many repeated front to back hearings of that album. This is why I like vinyl. It forces us to listen to the album in it's entirety (or buy 45s for singles).
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2014, 09:14:06 PM »

Chord Hugo
No. Just no. And no. Volume control is stupid. Inset phono sockets are retarded. If Steve Jobs saw this design, he would have strangled the designer like how Vader strangled his admirals. Seriously, we are talking about Fisher-Price school of design here. Sound is at least is not horrible; but lots of better sounding choices (Geek, Dragonfly, Dacport LX, etc) for much less money.

Questyle Amp and DAC
I don't know which was to blame, but this combo sucked ass. Definitely one of the worse things I've hear at the meet. If some solid-state equipment sounds etched and nasty, this takes it in the other direction. The bass wasn't gooey or anything, but, smooth, dark, dull, overly overly polite and forgiving. Almost as bad the RSA Darkstar (yes, the Darkstar really is that horrible.) I used Paradox Slants and Enigma (and known tracks) for this evaluation.
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2014, 09:32:28 PM »

I try to look for combinations which just tend to work well at these meets (regardless of price, which means some $$$$ and some $ Let me mention a few of them. Synergy is everything.

LFF's Enigma and Cavalli Liquid Colbalt
Wow oh wow! I really really Alex's new LC amp. Paired with the Enigma, this was one which really surprised me at the meet. There was an LCD-2 right next to the Enigma. Guess what? The Enigma spanked the LCD-2 in every way, including bass performance. Yup. I couldn't believe it either.

OJ's CKKIII and AMB Gamma 2 + any headphone
This Gamma 2 build bypassed the ASRC and took the USB i2s directly to the chip. As I've said, the Gamma 2 is a really really good DAC worthy of being compared to many bigger desktop units. The CKKIII has an excellent reputation among DIY'ers.

Bottlehead Crack w/ speedball + HD600
The crack is well known to have excellent synergy with the HD650/600. But holy sh1t, the speedball upgrade really does bring some extra speed to those HD600s. Best I've heard the HD600s sound short of plugging them directly into leviathan, god, or titan amps.
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2014, 09:35:45 PM »

Chord Hugo
No. Just no. And no. Volume control is stupid. Inset phono sockets are retarded. If Steve Jobs saw this design, he would have strangled the designer like how Vader strangled his admirals. Seriously, we are talking about Fisher-Price school of design here. Sound is at least is not horrible; but lots of better sounding choices (Geek, Dragonfly, Dacport LX, etc) for much less money.
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2014, 10:05:45 PM »

Awesome meet! I had a lot of fun. Thank you specifically to Marvey and Anax and Ultra for being super cool. It was great to meet everyone else too. I think we might have recruited a few new swabbies out there so ahoy to all

Got to listen to a lot of stuff. These would be my favorite systems (that I heard) in rough descending order. This is out of what I listened to, which was not everything. Also, I didn't keep track (or take much account) of DACs:

  • 445 -> HD800 (the magic one Anax had on-hand)
  • Liquid Gold -> Abyss
  • 445 -> Abyss
  • 445 -> HD600
  • BH Crack -> HD600
  • Liquid Lightning -> SR009
  • EC 2A3MkII -> LCD2
  • CKK -> HD600
  • CKK -> HE500 (Jerg modded)
  • BH Crack -> DT880
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2014, 10:21:49 PM »

Phonitor 2
A solid amp which sounded good with the stock HD800s (I was unable to use my suite of test tracks). Based on long ago memories, seems to better than the 1 - smoother presentation. Nothing special amp-wise, but very competent by itself. Actually very good depth even without the knobs activated. The reason to get the Phonitor are the dials. Probably the best headphone crossfeed in the business I've heard. If you are into that kind of stuff. The adjustments are subtle; and that's a good thing.

EAR
EAR combination of DAC, headphone amp, etc. All in chrome. We affectionately called it the "cylon" equipment. This stuff just sounded weird. Seemed to have a strong emphasis on the middle-midrange and a de-emphasis on the bass and treble. Other aspects sounded good though. A slight tubey touch with inner warmth and wetness reminiscent of the DNA Stratus, however without the clarity, separation, microdynamics, microdetail, etc.

I couldn't figure this out, especially the odd tonal balance thing... until I realized how well the EAR stuff matched with Grado headphones. Makes perfect sense now. Unfortunately, the Grado thing was almost 10 years ago.
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Re: March 2014 OC Meet Pirate Impressions
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2014, 10:22:26 PM »

Hrm, the HFO version of Hotel California has been an audiophile staple for as long as I've been in the hobby.  I've heard it at pretty much every meet I've been to, starting with CanJam in LA back in like 2009.  That album would be on my "hear nonstop at meets" wall of fame along with:
Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
Clapton Unplugged
Diana Krall Live in Paris
Pet Sounds

In fact, I have most of those in my stack of CDs I bring just because I know people always listen to them.

As for impressions, I didn't listen to anything.  I was only there like 4 hours and spent 3Hr 55min at my table.  Missed out on seeing Luis and a couple other people.  My room didn't get too packed which was nice.
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