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Maxvla

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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2014, 07:25:28 AM »

Where are you located? Depending on where you live, perhaps there are amps from other markets in other languages than our own that we aren't familiar with that might be good as well.

Any of the amps we recommend here, really. Virtually every one of Craig's Eddie Current amps ($1650-6000ish) works well with HD800s, some more than others, and some need different tubes to sound right with them. Even a cheap Matrix M-Stage ($280) will likely do better than your amp. I'd take my M-Stage over a B22 for HD800s any day. Perhaps even a Schiit Vali ($119). Donald's DNA amps are good, but i'm not sure how well they all work with HD800s. Supposedly his top amp, the Stratus 2A3, is hard to beat, but it's also fairly expensive ($2700). I myself went the solid state route with a Headamp GS-X mk2, also expensive ($2800). If you want tubed and balanced and relatively cheap, but likely effective, I would recommend a Little Dot MKVI+ ($770) or MKVIIISE ($820). I used to own a MKVI when HD600 was my main can and it was quite nice. I haven't heard either amp with HD800s, but from my experience with HD600s, it is likely to be good.

It's odd really, these past few months have led me to believe that HD800 owners or prospective owners should get a Vali or M-Stage and then not bother with anything in the mid-range and just save for top flight amps in the $2k+ range. The mid-range amps do improve the sound, but not by as much as the cost increases. Once you get over the hump into the best layouts and parts the real HD800 comes out of it's shell and it's a beautiful thing. I can't really think of any headphone besides HD800s that has this sort of inexpensive synergy pairing then skipping to amps costing at least 10x as much as the next real step. Very odd.
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2014, 08:15:10 AM »

Well damn... That just voided the whole reason for me getting the LCD-3 in the first place... I mean its been fun having it since it ended up sounding way better balanced/neutral (talking stand alone impression here, not compared to other headhones) than I remembered. But since what it ends up doing is just another version of what I already have in the HD800 that renders it a tad pointless to me unless i can find a headphone that does have that "visceral speaker system" effect, that I can fit in my budget whilst keeping it, which I doubt... DANG IT! facepalm

The journey for the perfect duo of headphones continue I guess...

The TH900 almost did what i wanted, but its treble was just waaaay to fatigueing to plausibly use without fear of damaging my hearing.

Do any of you have ideas for the best headphones to replicate that large amount of actual low frequency sound pressure I'm looking for? Any thoughts or recommendations would be much appreciated..

W3000ANV. Compared to TH900's over the top [bottom ?] bass they have less prominent bass, but still very good, and it does not flood into middle frequencies like TH900's bass. The volume and impact of W3000ANV's bass are better than those of the HD800's or even T1's bass. Also, compared to TH900 W3000ANV have balanced frequencies presentation, the mids are not recessed and the treble is not shrill. To hear boom boom bass you will have to consider the mid priced headphones that are specialised bass instruments with the corresponding poor presentation of the middle frequencies and/or of the treble.
Your Rx Mk3-B amp has a bass knob that gives +5 dB bass boost. I would say that the combination of W3000ANV and +5 dB bass boost should produce a very acceptable bass sound.
P.S. LCDs are overrated.
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2014, 04:23:16 PM »


W3000ANV. Compared to TH900's over the top [bottom ?] bass they have less prominent bass, but still very good, and it does not flood into middle frequencies like TH900's bass. The volume and impact of W3000ANV's bass are better than those of the HD800's or even T1's bass. Also, compared to TH900 W3000ANV have balanced frequencies presentation, the mids are not recessed and the treble is not shrill. To hear boom boom bass you will have to consider the mid priced headphones that are specialised bass instruments with the corresponding poor presentation of the middle frequencies and/or of the treble.
Your Rx Mk3-B amp has a bass knob that gives +5 dB bass boost. I would say that the combination of W3000ANV and +5 dB bass boost should produce a very acceptable bass sound.
P.S. LCDs are overrated.


Having owned both at the same time, I can't really say I like the 3000ANV as a recommendation over the TH-900 IMO. It's a nice looking headphone but the sound signature did not mesh well with a lot of my recordings and what I look for. The warm mids that did well with female vocals were the only selling point of the 3000ANV to me. In terms of bass impact and realism, I don't think the 3000ANV matches up to either the TH-900/HD 800.

If you listen to more mainstream music and are willing to sacrifice a bit of refinement for fun, you can give the TH-600 a try. Unfortunately, the TH-600 shares the pain of a somewhat stabbing treble area so it doesn't play well with all recordings. At ~half the cost though, it could be a worthwhile compromise to make.
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2014, 05:22:25 PM »

For bass quantity I thought I read people say LCD 2 was better.  I still think th600 was my favorite for a visceral bass experience on the cheap. The best is still a properly amped HD800. Purrin said the bass on the Vali was meh but my experience was that it was quite a nice improvement with the HD800 over the Anedio D2 headphone out and continental v3.

As Max says the HD800 does such a huge jump in quality as you skip over the mid-fi gear that I wouldn't even bother.   At least with Vali or m-stage you have a good amp for a low price. Personally I even prefer the Vali the majority of more expensive setups
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 06:16:40 PM »

Purrin said the bass on the Vali was meh but my experience was that it was quite a nice improvement with the HD800 over the Anedio D2 headphone out and continental v3.

Well, you have to understand that my reference is EC, CA, Mjolnir, Dynahi, etc.
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 06:32:22 PM »

On some headphones like fx. TH900 or V-Moda M100 you can literally feel the bass, the vibrations in the air pressure etc. which adds an amazingly engaging element and feeling of realism to the sound, and the Audeze just seems to have none of this. It simply portrays the information, telling you that there is bass, but there is no actual weight or feeling behind it...

Wait till you hear an electrostat  :P

I agree that the LCD3's a little on the milder side of the high end planar magnetic market as far as bass is concerned. I'm kind of disappointed in them as well, even when compared to the LCD2. That small difference between the 2 and 3 could also play a role in people constantly praising it for having greater "finesse" or "refinement", which is more bullshit than not.

First try playing around with the bass EQ in both dynamics and planars to see exactly what frequency you associate with the weight or feeling of bass. I've found that even a 3db boost below like 60hz is enough to add a little sense of ominous presence to bass in electronic tracks.

I don't really consider 'feeling' the bass all that realistic anyways, unless your only priority is reproducing the visceral experience of thousands of watts on a PA system at a rock concert.

You're always limited by the physics of the thing, but you can kind of scratch that itch through the sheer magnitude of headphone bass. At least until the migraine comes on and your ears start ringing.
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2014, 07:34:55 PM »

Purrin said the bass on the Vali was meh but my experience was that it was quite a nice improvement with the HD800 over the Anedio D2 headphone out and continental v3.

Well, you have to understand that my reference is EC, CA, Mjolnir, Dynahi, etc.

Exactly, I should have been more clear.   Compared to your current amp it will be an improvement.
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2014, 08:08:44 AM »

I think LCD-2's impact is fine. And LCD-3 is just muddy mid-rangy thing. I only heard one LCD-3 however, may be there are better versions.
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2014, 04:50:49 PM »

Vali
Are we talking about the 119$ Vali amp from Schiit? Because that sounds highly unlikely... :o
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Re: LCD-3, no soundpressure?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2014, 04:55:51 PM »

On some headphones like fx. TH900 or V-Moda M100 you can literally feel the bass, the vibrations in the air pressure etc. which adds an amazingly engaging element and feeling of realism to the sound, and the Audeze just seems to have none of this. It simply portrays the information, telling you that there is bass, but there is no actual weight or feeling behind it...

Wait till you hear an electrostat  :P

I agree that the LCD3's a little on the milder side of the high end planar magnetic market as far as bass is concerned. I'm kind of disappointed in them as well, even when compared to the LCD2. That small difference between the 2 and 3 could also play a role in people constantly praising it for having greater "finesse" or "refinement", which is more bullsh1t than not.

First try playing around with the bass EQ in both dynamics and planars to see exactly what frequency you associate with the weight or feeling of bass. I've found that even a 3db boost below like 60hz is enough to add a little sense of ominous presence to bass in electronic tracks.

I don't really consider 'feeling' the bass all that realistic anyways, unless your only priority is reproducing the visceral experience of thousands of watts on a PA system at a rock concert.

You're always limited by the physics of the thing, but you can kind of scratch that itch through the sheer magnitude of headphone bass. At least until the migraine comes on and your ears start ringing.

I'm not sure what you mean about the electrostats? I've heard the SR009, SR007MK-I
 and some lower end stax models and they didn't have anything that seems relevant? (They're very impressive though).

I havent gotten anything useful out of using EQ's - as a matter of fact I'm oppose very heavily to using them for anything beyond very cheap gear... But thats just personal taste i guess... :P

The impression of strong bass doesn't seem to be possible to detect in the frequency response suprisingly...
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