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Maxvla

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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #80 on: April 03, 2014, 10:44:06 PM »

Recent comments about flat screen tvs interfering with OB have me concerned as my listening space does include a 52" TV between the speakers and it is on a stand, not mounted on the wall, making it even worse. Still worth pursuing or don't bother?
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2014, 01:16:48 AM »

Max, I think Dave was referring to the fact that when the baffles are pushed together, they could act like a big flat-screen. So long as your TV is back against your front wall, and you are able to pull the OBs out and away from each other, you should be dandy. I find my OBs to have quite good center imaging/coherence when the positioning is right.
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2014, 01:54:12 AM »

Was dicking around with my mic today and thought I'd share this:



Should note:

  • Taken in room at listening position, no EQ applied
  • Total Slices: 100
  • Time Range: 4ms
  • Window: 5ms
  • Rise Time: .1ms
  • 1/48 octave smoothing in CSD mode

A bit of ringing near 7k definitely stands out, but noting the time axis it isn't terrible. And you should consider all the other excess energy the room is storing, (windowing makes the rest of that disappear).

I might try to piece together the ETCs next week.
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2014, 12:50:55 AM »

I think my favorite part about OBs is listening behind them.  8)
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2014, 05:16:36 AM »

Recent comments about flat screen tvs interfering with OB have me concerned as my listening space does include a 52" TV between the speakers and it is on a stand, not mounted on the wall, making it even worse. Still worth pursuing or don't bother?

I wasn't referring to OBs specifically, a big TV between the speakers really messes with the center image, regardless of the radiation pattern. I don't even use a multi-shelf equipment rack for that reason, all of my stuff is on amp stands a few inches off the floor.
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2014, 08:37:53 PM »

Update:

After tweaking the crossover a bit more here's where I'm at. This is in-room response with PN. No EQ applied.

No smoothing


1/2 Octave smoothing


Sounds excellent in just about all aspects. Tonally neutral and non-fatiguing which is always my #1 priority. Great bass that isn't peaky like with traditional cabinets. I do hear some bass distortion at higher (90dB+) levels. But it's incredibly articulate and detailed when rendering the low-end. Stand-up bass on recordings is palpably real and placed perfectly in the mix, something subwoofers can't hope to do.

Imaging isn't pinpoint like you get with a traditional mini-monitor or slim cabinet. You kind of trade spacious-ness for pinpoint-ness. Instead of instruments being confined to little blobs in space, they're expansive and in the room with you. Cliche, I know, but these loudspeakers are good at doing just that. Some might not like the effect, but it's all relative.

Am going to listen more and enjoy. I have the Jantzen caps in but I haven't installed them yet. That might be a fun comparison if I can figure out a way to A/B them. Other than that, I'm going to start saving up for a pair of these guys:

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/ribbon-tweeters/raal-dipole-140-15d-ribbon-driver/

Yeah, I know. More immediate step is better amplification and possibly active xover.

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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2014, 04:01:50 PM »

Any opinions on these? Look they could be just what I need in terms of the right crossover slope.

http://www.hawthorneaudio.us/catalogs/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=62
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #87 on: July 30, 2014, 09:04:25 PM »

Notice how they keep inching closer to the listening position... ;D



I've got a good grip on their sound at this point. Measurements to follow.
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #88 on: July 30, 2014, 11:31:26 PM »

Awaiting. I'm assuming not as much extension as the smaller drivers. I have supertweeters for you BTW.
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Re: Back to Speakers... Again! (Dirt Cheap Open Baffle Speaker Project)
« Reply #89 on: July 31, 2014, 12:26:49 AM »

These drivers are actually much better behaved which is a surprise for me. The FE126En had a pair of peaks at 5k and 7k. These seem to have a pair at 3.5k and 5k, which is further from that critical harshness zone. These drivers are easier to listen to without EQ.


  • Red is on-axis, 2ft from driver.
  • Green is listening position, baffles ~6ft from my front wall, ~20degree of axis
  • Blue is listening position, baffles ~4.5ft from my front wall, <20degree of axis
Both green and blue have non-ideal amounts of toe-in which make it look more rolled than it is. I definitely miss a bit of that last octave in this position. Only reason I measured this way was because the FE126En sounded best in that position as it smoothed out those peaks a wee bit. FE166En sounds best directly on axis, as the red plot indicates. And it's less peaky (in perceived terms) so it's not a problem.  As you move the baffles forward, you get bassier. You also get more spacious and involving soundstage. It's a funny trick that OBs pull off. And I feel the 166 is a better candidate for OB duty than the 126

Here's an ARTA plot that's probably most representative of what I'm hearing:



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