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Harbeth Speakers
« on: December 22, 2013, 05:02:55 AM »

I have a chance to buy a Harbeth speaker at a bit of a discount, and was wondering what people thought about them. (I don't have an opportunity to audition them before buying.) And, what is the sweet spot in the Harbeth line-up? Really appreciate any kind of advice.
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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 07:43:33 AM »

Not a fan. Other than perhaps crossover design, Harbeth basically ignores every advance made in loudspeaker design in the last 30+ years. Yes the LS3/5A was very nice in its day, but guess what, things have moved on. We know things now about internal standing waves and designing baffles for ideal on and off-axis response and dispersion and diffraction control etc etc etc, which has gotten us to designs like this.



Harbeth on the other hand is still making them like this. Unbraced square boxes with plastic drivers stuffed full of foam. If this were 1980 these would be pretty high tech speakers. The front and back panels are just screwed on, there's nothing to actually seal them in place. Clearly any sort of resonance control is not a priority at Harbeth. And if you like listening to your loudspeaker box ring a few milliseconds after the driver moves, more power to you I guess. Not me.





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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 11:22:16 AM »

I had a chance to listen to a pair set up next to some mid-level B&W's. Too me they sounded boxy. Where the B&W's sounded more open, the Harbeth's sounded more artificial and closed in. After reading so much praise about them in the past, I was surprised how much I didn't like them. Good luck DB
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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 05:06:55 PM »

Well at least they took to effort to staple damping material on the 5/8" boards.
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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 06:07:11 PM »

To me, they sound better than almost any other box speaker I have heard. They scale so well with high end systems, its shocking. I think what I heard was the monitor 40 and some smaller model. The bigger one was amazing! Put it this way, I enjoyed the Harbeth room more than any Wilson demo I have ever heard.
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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 06:41:10 PM »

Dave,

Advances in technology and materials science also gave us the Ovation guitar.

It's a fallacy to assume that newer is necessarily better.
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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2013, 07:15:39 PM »

Dave,

Advances in technology and materials science also gave us the Ovation guitar.

It's a fallacy to assume that newer is necessarily better.

If you're of the idea that you should hear drivers and not cabinets, newer is generally better. If you prefer things the old way, and you want to be able to feel the cabinet vibrating as the music is playing, speakers like Harbeth and DeVore may be for you. IMO the Monitor 40 is textbook on how not to design a speaker. Imaging on those is a disaster, thanks to a front baffle that's a kajillion feet wide.

One thing designers have learned in the last 30 years when trying to integrate large woofers is to either place them on the side, or use a two-piece design so that the mid and HF drivers can be placed in a much smaller cabinets. Monitors image better than large towers for a reason, and if you can make the top of your speaker behave like a small two-way, you can try to replicate that while still preserving full range response that is generally not possible with a two-way. Gershman goes so far as to separate the two pieces entirely.

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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2013, 07:27:07 PM »

To me, they sound better than almost any other box speaker I have heard. They scale so well with high end systems, its shocking. I think what I heard was the monitor 40 and some smaller model. The bigger one was amazing! Put it this way, I enjoyed the Harbeth room more than any Wilson demo I have ever heard.

Bad example. Wilsons seem to be made mostly for tone deaf (and high frequency deaf) audio reviewers. Listen to these, and then tell me if you think a $13K Harbeth is still a good deal.

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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2013, 07:51:36 PM »

Dave, I have to ask, where do you find the time to audition all the gear you recommend or poop on? Do you have some extended listening secret source for extremely high end gear?
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Re: Harbeth Speakers
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2013, 08:00:45 PM »

Wilsons seem to be made mostly for tone deaf (and high frequency deaf) audio reviewers.

I listened to Wilson speakers for the first time last week (a pair of Sophias). It was not remotely a good time. I'm not sure how much of that would be attributed to just the speakers, or room acoustics.
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