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Author Topic: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.  (Read 20861 times)

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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #110 on: May 10, 2015, 12:22:33 PM »

The seal doesn't break for me when I move my mouth vertically or make chewing motions. You may want to sent it back for refits, or get new impressions if your audiologist messed up.
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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #111 on: May 31, 2015, 09:05:34 AM »

So.... About to pull the trigger finally.

Any advice for a CIEM virgin? There is an audiologist that has worked with UE, but later has started producing CIEM's under their own name and don't mention UE on their site anymore. Not enough info on their own brand to jump on them... But I'd guess they know a thing or two about making a good fitting impressions.

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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #112 on: June 06, 2015, 11:52:12 AM »

Now I had my serviced UERM back for a couple of weeks after a cleaning and repair of bass issues.

Return and service went just fine, no trouble what so ever. They did service them for free and performed "extensive quality testing", I guess they are satisfied with them. Not a single word though what they have done with them.

How about the sound then? The Headphone list describe them as Bright, Reference, Analytical, Detailed, Spacious, Clear and that is close to what I hear. Comfort and isolation is still just fine.

http://theheadphonelist.com/custom-in-ear-monitors-reviews-list/

How about thew bass then that I complained about a few post up? Bass is there but still shelved down a bit, sub bass a lot more so, the Godsmack VooDoo challenge doesn't end that well. Other bass tests end in a similar way.

I call them mid centric and depending on your preferences that can be your cup of Thea even if its not mine. To me they can review and analyze but I don't use for if I'm just going to " enjoy the music".

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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #113 on: June 06, 2015, 04:19:44 PM »

Is the Fiio X3 what you are using still? What gain setting do you use on the Lavry and Grace? Might want something that runs without negative feedback on high gain that runs at a listenable level. UERM does prefer some power. Or something like the Westone ES5 (stage monitor) is more your preference.

I read that list just now and I can't agree with a number of impressions. PP6 3D, Clear, Transparent? No. LCD2 transparent and resolving? Not usually. JH16 detailed and analytical? Not IME. A lot of stuff is called transparent, resolving and reference.
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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #114 on: June 07, 2015, 07:41:19 AM »

My impressions are based mainly using the Grace (2W output so it got power to spare) and a bit of X3. At least the Grace has low output impedance and I suspect by your question about negative feedback, that it may not be optimum for the UERM as a higher output impedance will elevate the bass a few db's.


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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #115 on: June 07, 2015, 06:00:58 PM »

Sorry to hear you're not getting proper bass. A lot of us haven't had that problem. In fact, I sent back a set because it had waaay too much and it just overshadowed everything. If you get a chance, do mind posting a picture of your shells and driver placement? Just curious. Maybe tape over your initials and serial#.

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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #116 on: June 08, 2015, 12:02:11 AM »

So.... About to pull the trigger finally.

Any advice for a CIEM virgin? There is an audiologist that has worked with UE, but later has started producing CIEM's under their own name and don't mention UE on their site anymore. Not enough info on their own brand to jump on them... But I'd guess they know a thing or two about making a good fitting impressions.



Anax has good advice on fitting. Mine's to use a bite block and relax, relax, relax the jaw as much as possible during the earmold process.

If anyone says that only singers need a good seal, please slap them for me, either with the palm or back of the hand, whichever is easier.

In fact, go ahead and ask your audiologist to look in your ear canals as you open your mouth wide and close it to see how things change in shape.
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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #117 on: June 08, 2015, 01:47:47 AM »

How about thew bass then that I complained about a few post up? Bass is there but still shelved down a bit, sub bass a lot more so, the Godsmack VooDoo challenge doesn't end that well. Other bass tests end in a similar way.

I call them mid centric and depending on your preferences that can be your cup of Thea even if its not mine. To me they can review and analyze but I don't use for if I'm just going to " enjoy the music".

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Wow. Talk about nostalgia. Song brings back memories. Thanks for the memory trip.

Back on topic...while I do like that song, I just wanted to point out that the song has very little low level bass. It's a mastering choice/recording choice/mixing choice. There is NO SUB BASS.

I present exhibit A:



This is an averaged EQ presentation of the entire song. The orange line denotes what you're most likely to hear. Notice how the orange line starts at around 35Hz.  :-\



The vast majority of bass in this song is at 50-60Hz and it's very pronounced from 80Hz to 250Hz. This is an area that most headphones love to accentuate even further and makes most people say "WOW...CHECK OUT THAT LOW BASS!". While it's pleasing, it's not really low level bass especially when you look at the level of the rest of the song. That's awesome UNTIL you get a proper reference quality speaker or monitor. Then the issue becomes "Where's the bass?".

The UERM in this instance is showing you EXACTLY what is on that recording. Not much bass....bright top end...thin-ish vocals. A weak sonic presentation.

With proper monitoring, you have to raise the 40-60Hz region by at least 8db to give you proper and accurate bass response. You would also have to dip that bass cloud from 60-200Hz by about 5db to clean it up. That's only the bass issue too. You need to fix the vocals and high end too. Not much you can do about that late 90's compression though.

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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #118 on: June 08, 2015, 02:22:48 AM »

Nice post Luis! Yeah, that's just my kick drum track that I know, so 50-60hz and harmonics from there seem right. If it doesn't sound compressed and large, the headphone is wrong. If it sounds too much like compression upon compression, then it's an IE800.
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Re: Oh UERM. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
« Reply #119 on: June 08, 2015, 02:34:18 AM »

Nice post Luis! Yeah, that's just my kick drum track that I know, so 50-60hz and harmonics from there seem right. If it doesn't sound compressed and large, the headphone is wrong. If it sounds too much like compression upon compression, then it's an IE800.

Thanks!

You should use the hidden track of that album as your kick drum track. ;)
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