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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2013, 03:23:52 AM »

The most important thing about computing these day is noise. That is the one thing many people overlook! We spend so much money on audio gear and creating a black background while loud PC noises erase all that!

Aint that the truth. As far as I'm concerned if I can hear the computer from more than a foot away, it's too loud. Running open is an interesting idea, but I wouldn't want to have to deal with the dust build up. Even closed cases that are unfiltered will eventually become just disgusting. I prefer to run closed, fully dust filtered cases with Acoustipack lining to deal with whatever small extra noise I may be introducing with more restricted airflow. It works.

Fan choice is everything. There are plenty of quiet fans out there, the trick is a quiet fan that has as much air flow per dB as humanly possible. My favorites are Noiseblocker Multi-frames.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2013, 03:31:11 AM »

OK. Real quick. CPU and Mobo recommendation. The i5-4670k? Is that a good sweet spot?

I could use moar CPU for faster jpg display, un-raring, or video editing of HD porn.
I could use moar FPS for SWTOR on a 2560 x 1600 display.

Vid card. To SLI or not current GTX670


I'm keeping my case. Silverstone FT02. Already have SSDs, at least for the most often used porn.
That's almost a carbon copy of my current rig: 4670k, GTX670, FT02.

AMD seems to be the sweet spot if you're going that high res, especially the R9 290. 280X or GTX 770 if you want to save $100. Not worth the hassle of multi-GPU, especially on a RAM limited card like the GTX 670. In all honesty, the GTX 670 will probably be fine, but if you can sell it for a decent price + don't mind spending some cash, the new GPUs aren't that bad of a value proposition.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2013, 04:09:50 AM »

Aint that the truth. As far as I'm concerned if I can hear the computer from more than a foot away, it's too loud. Running open is an interesting idea, but I wouldn't want to have to deal with the dust build up. Even closed cases that are unfiltered will eventually become just disgusting. I prefer to run closed, fully dust filtered cases with Acoustipack lining to deal with whatever small extra noise I may be introducing with more restricted airflow. It works.

Fan choice is everything. There are plenty of quiet fans out there, the trick is a quiet fan that has as much air flow per dB as humanly possible. My favorites are Noiseblocker Multi-frames.
Absolutely! I better not hear it.

Open case is quite clean. Most of the dust tends to just blow through the heatsinks and not get caught. The micro layer of dust on the heatsinks is unavoidable though. Every couple months I just lug this thing outside and blast it with compressed air.

The layout of traditional cases really bothered me. Any type of intake air is almost always blocked by stupid drive bays! Why must have a case have 4+ ODD bays?! ODDs are almost obsolete for me. SSDs can be mounted almost anywhere too! Why must the intake fans be so far away from the CPU and GPU coolers? Why must the PSU block a perfect spot for a fan? Why does a case even have to be that shape or laid out for vertical mobo mounting? All of these questions and I could not find the perfect case at the time. I wanted something minimalistic and compact, but make complete sense in terms of air cooling. Form factor was also important in that I can stack it on top of audio gear too. Open test bench fit that perfectly.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2013, 04:38:53 AM »

The layout of traditional cases really bothered me. Any type of intake air is almost always blocked by stupid drive bays! Why must have a case have 4+ ODD bays?! ODDs are almost obsolete for me. SSDs can be mounted almost anywhere too! Why must the intake fans be so far away from the CPU and GPU coolers? Why must the PSU block a perfect spot for a fan? Why does a case even have to be that shape or laid out for vertical mobo mounting? All of these questions and I could not find the perfect case at the time. I wanted something minimalistic and compact, but make complete sense in terms of air cooling. Form factor was also important in that I can stack it on top of audio gear too. Open test bench fit that perfectly.

No argument here. The classic ATX design of intake fan on the bottom, hdd bays in the middle and ODD bays on top is absolutely terrible. It's just what everyone knows how to do. Things like side panel intake fans are just hacks to try to get around the problem. The perfect case design would be a two layer cube with PSU, hdd, and ODD bays on the bottom, and mobo tray on top. That would allow the upper front panel to be 100% unrestricted and provide maximum airflow to the CPU and GPU with the shortest possible distance between fans and components. Aerocool and Lian Li and BitFenix are kind of stumbling towards this, but they haven't gotten it right yet. The closest is the Coolermaster HAF XB, but they designed it for max airflow above all else, and it will be a dust nightmare. It's also kind of a fugly mess.

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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2013, 04:42:28 AM »

OK. Real quick. CPU and Mobo recommendation. The i5-4670k? Is that a good sweet spot?

I could use moar CPU for faster jpg display, un-raring, or video editing of HD porn.
I could use moar FPS for SWTOR on a 2560 x 1600 display.

Vid card. To SLI or not current GTX670

I'm keeping my case. Silverstone FT02. Already have SSDs, at least for the most often used porn.

The 4670K is certainly a great sweet spot, just like the two i5s before it. Realistically, HT on the i7 isn't going to make a difference in most applications, but it does in some. The 4770k is at a good price on Microcenter, but you'd have to look up benchmarks to see if the i7 will benefit you in applications you use.

You'll notice a nice difference with a new CPU across the board at stock settings, but Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, and Haswell all excel at overclocking. You should be able to get 4.2GHz easily. Some folks delid the IHS and replace the TIM or apply the heatsink directly to the CPU die to help with temps and overclocking. I've been extremely happy with my 2500K, which does 4.5GHz easily.

With SWTOR and a new CPU, you'll notice more of a benefit in minimum framerate than avg or max framerate than anything else. You'll probably see bigger performance gains with more GPU power, though, because I don't think SWTOR is particularly CPU limited.

If you don't play many games, getting a 2nd GTX 670 for SWTOR is probably going to give you the biggest performance increase for the money over any other GPU, I think. I think you'll find it difficult to break the 2GB VRAM barrier that way. You might also consider OCing the 670 if you have not already, as I've heard they're generally pretty solid OCers. That might get you the extra performance you want. But, if you want to play some of the newer, prettiest games at make-my-eyeballs-bleed settings, the 2GB VRAM limit would make me hesitate if I'm going to be making a new purchase to last for 2-3 years.

AMD seems to be the sweet spot if you're going that high res, especially the R9 290. 280X or GTX 770 if you want to save $100. Not worth the hassle of multi-GPU, especially on a RAM limited card like the GTX 670. In all honesty, the GTX 670 will probably be fine, but if you can sell it for a decent price + don't mind spending some cash, the new GPUs aren't that bad of a value proposition.

I believe this is more the case at 4K or multi-monitor resolutions, not so much around 1600p. I could be misremembering,though. I'd hesitate to recommend the 280X or GTX 770, because they're really just rebadged HD 7970s and GTX 680s with some minor hardware and software tweaks. They're great and priced well, sure, but I'm not sure it'd be a huge upgrade from a GTX 670 (and OCed 670 does well against a 680). He'd either want to go SLI 670 (downsides are potentially limited RAM, potential SLI bugs and incompatibilities) or go to an R9 290 or GTX 780 at least (downsides are likely less performance increase for the money, but more VRAM, don't have to deal with SLI issues, etc.).
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2013, 04:45:54 AM »

No argument here. The classic ATX design of intake fan on the bottom, hdd bays in the middle and ODD bays on top is absolutely terrible. It's just what everyone knows how to do. Things like side panel intake fans are just hacks to try to get around the problem.

To be fair, while it's not an optimal design (the Fractal lets me take out a good chunk of the bays in the middle), you can still get excellent cooling and noise performance from a classic ATX case. That, and it takes up less floor or desk space at the expense of using more vertical space.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2013, 04:47:22 AM »

Yeah, I figured if I OC'd, I'd be turning hyper-threading off. I do convert movies to tablet format for my kids.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2013, 04:52:27 AM »

No argument here. The classic ATX design of intake fan on the bottom, hdd bays in the middle and ODD bays on top is absolutely terrible. It's just what everyone knows how to do. Things like side panel intake fans are just hacks to try to get around the problem. The perfect case design would be a two layer cube with PSU, hdd, and ODD bays on the bottom, and mobo tray on top. That would allow the upper front panel to be 100% unrestricted and provide maximum airflow to the CPU and GPU with the shortest possible distance between fans and components. Aerocool and Lian Li and BitFenix are kind of stumbling towards this, but they haven't gotten it right yet. The closest is the Coolermaster HAF XB, but they designed it for max airflow above all else, and it will be a dust nightmare. It's also kind of a fugly mess.

For an enclosed "bench style" case, the HAF XB has a perfect layout, but that things damn ugly!!! I bet if I shoved that thing in front of the designer's face, he would wince! Now if Silverstone would play with that layout with some higher quality materials, it would be something worth buying.

Besides my gripe about the aesthetics and materials, I don't like that side panel. It doesn't work well with my 4 slot GPU.  :)p13

The 4670K is certainly a great sweet spot, just like the two i5s before it. Realistically, HT on the i7 isn't going to make a difference in most applications, but it does in some. The 4770k is at a good price on Microcenter, but you'd have to look up benchmarks to see if the i7 will benefit you in applications you use.

You'll notice a nice difference with a new CPU across the board at stock settings, but Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, and Haswell all excel at overclocking. You should be able to get 4.2GHz easily. Some folks delid the IHS and replace the TIM or apply the heatsink directly to the CPU die to help with temps and overclocking. I've been extremely happy with my 2500K, which does 4.5GHz easily.

It is recommended you delid Ivy and Haswell! It's actually very easy and foolproof if you using the hammer and vice method. If upgrading, get Haswell as the motherboards have great features.

Yeah, I figured if I OC'd, I'd be turning hyper-threading off. I do convert movies to tablet format for my kids.

i5 5670k is enough then.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2013, 05:24:38 AM »

To be fair, while it's not an optimal design (the Fractal lets me take out a good chunk of the bays in the middle), you can still get excellent cooling and noise performance from a classic ATX case. That, and it takes up less floor or desk space at the expense of using more vertical space.

True. Another route is to make a taller, shallower version of the ATX design with ODD on top, board in the middle, PSU on the bottom ala the Lian Li Tyr cases. Someone else should take on that idea without the dumb sideways ODD bays. Provided you don't mind a 24"+ tall case, it works very well.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2013, 05:32:00 AM »

Open case +



Easier than fooling around w/ filters.  Plus an open case is the best air cooled solution you can get. 
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