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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2013, 05:39:58 AM »
Quote from: ohhgourami on December 09, 2013, 04:52:27 AM
For an enclosed "bench style" case, the HAF XB has a perfect layout, but that things damn ugly!!! I bet if I shoved that thing in front of the designer's face, he would wince! Now if Silverstone would play with that layout with some higher quality materials, it would be something worth buying.

Lol yup. Still better than the PC-V358 though. That's a much better looking case but LL completely botched the design. Most of the direct cooling is on the bottom, and the rest is CPU exhaust. The GPU basically gets no cooling at all, just a vent. Aerocool's Dead Silence cube is probably the slickest looking of the cube cases, but they screwed up the front intake to make room for completely unnecessary ext drive bays. Seriously, somebody needs a 3.5" ext bay in 2013? That, and it's a little too short for its own good, there's not enough room for a proper PSU. Something just a little bit longer with no ext bays and a 2x 140mm intake would be just about perfect.

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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2013, 05:48:13 AM »
I'm done with enclosed cases, at least until I have a kid.

Even then, it's still easier for me to work around that...
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2013, 07:02:36 AM »
Or cats! This is the first cat I've had (and I love her), but it's definitely one of the "If I fits (or, you know, even if not), I sits" type situations. She once crawled into a bag of water bottles. Couldn't fit. Looked uncomfortable, thought she might have trouble breathing in there. She fell asleep. Not gonna risk a computer!

Also have to worry about times I decide to drink. Usually there are no problems, but...

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Yeah, I figured if I OC'd, I'd be turning hyper-threading off. I do convert movies to tablet format for my kids.

You know, you talked an awful lot about porn just before this...What are you showing your kids? Better not be any of this:  )(
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2013, 08:02:19 AM »
Quote from: ohhgourami on December 09, 2013, 05:48:13 AM
I'm done with enclosed cases, at least until I have a kid.

Even then, it's still easier for me to work around that...

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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2013, 03:54:55 AM »
I'm digging this little guy a lot. One smartest ITX gaming cases I've seen yet.



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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2013, 01:27:37 AM »
No thanks. For an air cooled gaming rig without space requirements, I'll stick with my trusty and true FT02.



There's no replacement for displacement of air. Nothing beats cu ft per second for cooling. The 180mm fans are quiet when run on low, and you can feel the air being pushed up and out when you put your hand over the case.


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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2013, 04:52:00 AM »
Quote from: purrin on December 27, 2013, 01:27:37 AM
There's no replacement for displacement of air. Nothing beats cu ft per second for cooling. The 180mm fans are quiet when run on low, and you can feel the air being pushed up and out when you put your hand over the case.

There's no replacement for a really good motor and bearing design. I'll take 140 over 180 any day of the week because there's a lot of really ultra high quality 140mms available on the market to choose from. Who makes 180mm fans? Nobody. For my requirements, a computer that is audible is a computer that is too loud. Most of the really big 180+ fans out there are made by a tiny handful of companies, and they are either noisy double ball bearings, or shitty sleeve bearings which are prone to failure.

Until there are Noctuas and Gentle Typhoons and Noiseblockers at that size, I'm not interested. The Cooltek W1 I pictured has a 140mm intake and 140mm exhaust, and you can put two additional 140mm exhausts on top, although putting one over the CD drive isn't likely to do much. All intakes including the side video card vent are filtered, and it will fit large ATX PSUs, 120mm tower heatsinks, and full length video cards in a box 1/4 of the size and 1/4 of the weight of the FT02. Unless you're going to be doing heavy overclocking, using SLI or Crossfire, or you need more than 5 hard drives, it's hard to argue with. The issue is there's no distributor in the US, which is a problem with a lot of the new interesting cases that are coming out lately. Instead we keep getting the same boring crap from Fractal Design. I know I can't wait for the Define R5, which will be 99.99% the same as the Define R4. Whoohoo!!!
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2013, 05:19:19 AM »
Those three 180mm fans are quieter than any 140mm Noctuas or Noiseblockers. They can push way more air at 500rpm at lower sound levels. How do I know? I had another PC in a case with x2 140mm Noctuas and x2 Noiseblockers (The noctuas are way overrated BTW, unless they changed their design recently.) The FT02 replaced this older case. I got sick of hearing the 140mm fans despite running them at 700-800rpm. Yes, these 140mm fans are "higher tech" than the 180mm fans. But the 180mm fans get the job done. With the FT02 I only hear air movement noise - no mechanical noise. The noisiest fan is actually the CPU fan - because I used a cheapy 120mm and have been to lazy to replace it.

The FT02 has been the quietest case per temperature period by far that I've used. I've been through most of the high-end cases, i.e. Coolmaster, Li Lian, etc. The fact that the FT02 blows hot air upwards in unobstructed manner probably helps.

That ITX case is a joke with too many airflow obstructions. Even with the drive bay not loaded, there are two plates from the front to the back; and then there the necessary solid obstruction (DVD drive) at the top. I bet if you bench / measure CPU, GPU, mobo temps that thing, it's going to be a hot case, despite whatever fans you put into it. Maybe you can get it to be semi-cool, but you would need to run four fans at 2000rpm, and despite how advanced the Noctuas or Noiseblockers are, that's going to be loud.

I run now 5 drives (OS mirrored x2 SSD) and (Data RAID x3 HD). I usually have a virtual machine with network scanning tools installed. A moderately OC'd CPU and vidcard in that ITX case running Nessus scanner and me playing SWTOR at the same time would die in my 90 degree room in the summer. Nessus, depending upon the build, has a tendency of crashing CPUs. I can't afford to run network vulnerability scans over and over and over with what I do.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2013, 06:12:45 AM »
I run all gentle typhoons on my rads due to their size and have used almost every major touted case fan, fluid bearing or otherwise in existence. Only a moron would take a 120mm or 140mm fan over an undervolted reasonable quality larger fan. Larger fan = more air displacement. Science is working against you with a smaller fan.

Also, I can almost guarantee you the Cooltek will have similar or worse thermals to the Prodigy for 3x the price. And yes, I know the small computing space more than the folks who've spent 30 mins in the [H] SFF section. I sacrificed my 800D and my phase change setup for an ITX system in a gutted Q25 with a single GPU running all water to see what I could squeeze out of a small server case. I've built dozens of small gaming systems for coworkers who got married and needed something that could fit on or under the mantle. In every case, the use of larger fans has always been preferable and I'd rather mod the case to accept something bigger than use the options in the 120mm to 140mm space.

Dave, I'm also surprised that you haven't mentioned needing to mass load most of these cases to all hell. I've never worked in a Fractal Designs case that didn't require work to keep it quiet outside of just fan choice.
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Re: New CPU and Board Advice?
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2013, 06:34:27 AM »
It depends on what you need the computer to do of course. In your case I would probably not recommend ITX of any stripe. I'm currently running a micro-ATX cube case with 120mm Noiseblocker Multi-frames, with an SSD for the OS and a single 3.5" hdd in a sealed enclosure. There's no sound from it at all. No motor noise, no bearing noise, no air movement noise, nothing. If you put your head literally right next to the fans you can hear a bit of air movement. From a foot away it's soundless, which is what I expect out of my systems these days.

With something like a Core i5, particularly a 65W S model, a 120mm tower heatsink should be more than enough at stock clock speeds in that case. The CD shelf can be removed to allow for 240mm or 280mm radiators on top. The HDD rack may also be removable, I'm not sure.

The FT02 is definitely a good design, in fact it's much better than anything Silverstone has done since. The problem with big cases is that the further away from the hardware you pull the fans, the less effective they are. The FT02 solves this by basically flipping everything on its face, while Lian Li hit the same basic goal in the Tyr cases by splitting the hardware into separate zones instead of having the HDDs in front of the rest of the hardware.

The little Cooltek may actually work very well by having fans that are big enough basically right on top of the heat zones. It's definitely something I'd like to try. The biggest issue I have with the FT02 by far is the weight. 33lbs is just ridiculous, and that's EMPTY.
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