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Author Topic: Alpha Dog Prime - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements  (Read 16280 times)

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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #160 on: April 26, 2015, 11:11:30 PM »

You heard the meet pair. It's been remarked by folks who have heard all three that Dan's meet pair sound significantly better than the new pair I bought and the upgrade Jeff sent back TWICE.

The issue isn't that the headphone isn't good, it's that Dan can't admit there might be inconsistencies in QC. If he'd be less insecure instead of complaining to management at other places and just engage, I would give him a pass. Instead, he acts like a dill weed. Great, he's nice at meets, but if there is demonstrable differences between pairs of your headphones, you can't admit your mistakes, and you constantly rewrite your own personal history, I can't recommend your products.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #161 on: April 26, 2015, 11:29:58 PM »

The pair I heard at Axpona was pretty good, much better than any A-Dog I've ever heard. It's not my preferred sound--still tonally on the brighter side but no annoying spike.

I believe Dan's doing his best with QC and that the problem lies with Fostex. Maybe he's reluctant to blame them, so he gets blamed instead. I do not foresee this issue's being resolved because the only way to do it would be to scrap a lot of drivers.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #162 on: April 26, 2015, 11:39:46 PM »

Fostex's weak QC would result in a lot of driver pairs being inbalanced by a couple dB, but I strongly doubt that you'd see a lot of variation in the FR.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #163 on: April 26, 2015, 11:41:14 PM »

I guess the mystery is solved.  It's QC issues or cherry picking.

Thanks for the input Claritas.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #164 on: April 27, 2015, 12:16:14 AM »

There is more to it that that Mav. An important part of a headphone is indeed the driver, and Fostex may have some QC issues that a modder would have to handle if he or she wants to insure primo performance. But then there is also construction. If you force feed a defective ADP into a measurement baffle, you can make it measure like this.



But once construction issues are taken into consideration it can measure like this (and sort of sound like so):



What you are seeing above in both cases is the same ADP BTW (NoOne's)...
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #165 on: April 27, 2015, 12:45:18 AM »

I meant overall QC, not just the driver, wheather on Fostex's end or his.

Wasn't NoOne's the one which was missing a gasket or something?

I was taking conformation from Claritas that the one at Axpona was better than others he'd head.  That would make it seem like they can sound good (or at least better, depending on your preferences) and that Dan is letting some/toomany/whoknows defective units slip out the door.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #166 on: April 27, 2015, 01:27:23 AM »

Being in business selling your creative work, almost always involves two things:

1) Creating a compelling product

2) Producing it over and over again, exactly like the original, with that production done by people other than the creator(s).

The first part is far more compelling in media articles, but the second is equally significant.

Chefs like Bobby Flay have had to create systems whereby their culinary creations are presented to customers, without the chef being present. Many do an excellent job, because this is a well known part of the business.

In his Head Fi blog, Jason has described the difficulties of consistently reproducing electronic designs - which are easier to reproduce than transducers, especially modified ones.

When a craftsman can produce his own stream of products (e.g. custom guitars), you don't have these issues.  And if you are a giant multinational corporation (Sennheiser) than you full-time QC staff.  In between there be sea monsters.  p:0
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #167 on: April 27, 2015, 03:08:32 AM »

LOL! NoOne's history with his cans and what happened after has some history... Even in this thread:

http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2105.msg57828.html#msg57828

I did hear some good Alpha Dogs (not prime) in the past and they were good IMO. I told this to Dan, but he seemed a bit disappointed that I didn't stained my pants at how awesome his 3-D plastic printed cans sounded. Dunno, I stand by what I said before, his cans are not bad. Out of his T50RP mods I still prefer his Mad Dogs.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #168 on: April 27, 2015, 03:20:08 AM »

My Alpha Dogs are excellent - but I know that they were one of the early ones done by Dan personally.

I think that the best value in his products is the "Mad Dog Pro" which has the baffle from the Alphas, but use the T50RP enclosure to lower the cost.  It has a lot of the good qualities of the Alpha Dogs at a lower price, and a lower weight.

I use my Mad Dog Pro's a lot - always with the Schiit Vali (and with the HRT Music Streamer Two Plus that I used in my main system before I replaced it with Schiit.)
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #169 on: April 27, 2015, 04:30:19 AM »

I like the MadDog Pro quite a bit. That's a headphone that should be considered for the leaderboard. Alpha Dogs are good / decent. The Alpha Primes are a sidegrade from the ADs, i.e. different rather than better (depending upon personal priorities). The Prime's have better upper-mid / treble characteristics at the cost of lower-fidelity mids.
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