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Author Topic: Alpha Dog Prime - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements  (Read 16283 times)

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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #150 on: April 26, 2015, 02:34:13 AM »

So I head these today at AXPONA and though that they were the best closed headphones I heard at the show.

TH900 was a little to sparkly up top and doesn't even have any more isolation than most open 'phones, ruining half of the reason for making a close 'phone.

EL-8C had no cup resonances at all but but was ruined by a weird suckout in the treble it shared with its open sibling.

The LCD-XC sounded like it needed more polyfill of fiberflass.

The Sony Z7 was also crying out for some fiberglass and maybe a bit of dynamat.

The Paradox might sound better for less money but I've never heard it.  I don't know what Dan's other models are like either.  He only had the Alpha Prime and the Ether.

I could definitely hear some distortion in the mids but it didn't sound much different from my own T50RP mods in that regard and compared to all the other problems most closed 'phones have I'll take that as minor when this had a nice even FR, fast-ish decay in the treble without razors of death in the CSD, a cup that doesn't ring like a poorly tuned bell, and a bit of soundstage too.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #151 on: April 26, 2015, 03:21:01 AM »

You make good points - hard to argue against them.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #152 on: April 26, 2015, 03:44:21 AM »

It also might be because I'm just a big fan of the T50RP driver for some reason.

I ended up selling my HD650 after I was happy with my T50RP mods.  Technically, it did most things better than my modded T50RP but I just ended up not listening to the 650s anymore so they got sold.  My T50RP eventually got replaced by my modded Lambda Normal Bias.

Not sure if those are gonna get replaced anytime soon since the only things I head today that I liked better were the HE1000 and 009.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #153 on: April 26, 2015, 03:48:18 AM »

The AD and the ADP are IMO not bad at all when one gets a proper fit. I could say the same thing about Lambdas. IMO it is easier to get proper fit with the Paradox thought. I think both the Paradox and the ADs are tuned towards similar tone goals.

I agree with you that EL-8C, LCD-XC, TH900, and Sony Z7 are proly not up to snuff.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #154 on: April 26, 2015, 04:41:59 AM »

I agree with you that EL-8C, LCD-XC, TH900, and Sony Z7 are proly not up to snuff.

It doesn't seem like very many closed 'phones are up to snuff.

That's why I gave up on them, did my best to reduce ambient noise, and switched back to open.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #155 on: April 26, 2015, 04:44:11 AM »

The Focal Spirit Pro are not too bad, but they were a bit uncomfortable for me.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #156 on: April 26, 2015, 09:41:40 AM »

Curious, are using FLAC or mp3's? Let's not beat around the bush about the potential levels of distortion of an actual shipped unit. Even then, I have yet to hear an ADP that didn't make my music sound like mp3's. I'll take treble peaks I can EQ or cups I can dampen over a driver that wrecks my music's fidelity. No freaking way am I spending money to turn FLAC or wav files into lossy compression. Not for me. To my ears, every ADP I've heard has had more notable distortion than the typical T50rp which I am also quite familiar with.

You should really look into a Paradox. The difference is not subtle to my ears. Yeah, I'll apply heavy EQ before I ever go that direction. A direction that means one could end up paying $1000 for what in my opinion could end up being easily one of the worst headphones I've ever heard (depending on the variety one receives in their box of chocolates).
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #157 on: April 26, 2015, 02:38:35 PM »

Some lossless, some lossy.  Didn't matter either way though.  I don't think that's a good comparison either since harmonic distortion doesn't really sound like encoding artifacts.

Maybe that one was just particularly good or something.  I couldn't really comment since I've only heard one.

My plan for my next closed headphone is is to turn a SR-207 I picked up cheap into a DIY 4070.  If that doesn't work out I may check into the Paradox.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #158 on: April 26, 2015, 06:51:18 PM »

I don't think that's a good comparison either since harmonic distortion doesn't really sound like encoding artifacts.

It's certainly possible it's something else unrelated but possibly correlated. I can tell you for a fact that many of the headphones I find offensive seem to measure high D2 which is supposedly the the same distortion that supposedly makes me love my crappy tube amps. So either D2 isn't the musical euphony some people claim it to be or it's a by product of something else nasty in headphones.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2015, 10:54:45 PM »

The psychoacoustics of this would seem to get very complicated.

IME things with high-ish D2 in the midrange give female vocals a lush and syrupy quality that I enjoy.  I think that's why D2 is sometimes considered euphonic, or at least less offensive.

Unfortunately harmonic distortion always comes with intermodulation distortion so those lush vocals also come with a reduction in separation and imaging.  If the high-ish D2 continues up into the treble then all the separation goes to hell in a busy passage and it just turns in to a wall of sound.

What one likes and what ones will put up with may also vary depending on ones particular sensitivities.  If someone just just listens to "audiophile" recordings female vocals with light accompaniment, small jazz ensembles, or something like that then they might not mind higher levels of D2.

OTOH, my primary genre is metal. The guitar's come with just the right amount of distortion pre-added.  They don't need any more, thank you very much.  The imaging will go to hell if you do.  The Alpha Dogs I heard had the T50RPs usual lush mids but the imaging in busy passages didn't go to hell.  It actually kept it together pretty well.  From that I'd assume that the distortion on that pair wasn't particularly high and that it confined itself to the mids.

Beyond that, you and I just may be looking for different things in headphones.  I don't remember reading anything where enumerated some kind of broad outline but I gather that in general you're looking for ultimate resolution.  What I'm looking for is a little different.  First and foremost it shouldn't be fatiguing.  I should be able to listen to it for as long as I want to without mental or aural fatigue.  It doesn't matter what else it does right if it makes my ears bleed, literally or metaphorically.  Second would be separation.  I like to hear every individual instrument, each individual reverb, and every single guitar overdub.

If there was a perfect headphone then my goals would probably be subsumed by yours but since there isn't we all have to make different tradeoffs.
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